[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #26 Posted January 28, 2017 semone in WG attempted to not make "OP soviet ship" and they ended up nerfing it a bit too much . To the point that it is more or less worse than t9 Udaloy She is still in closed tests so It won't be a surprise if she recieve a small buff or sth like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GW_KR] nooberg Players 227 posts 25,856 battles Report post #27 Posted January 31, 2017 (edited) Anyone have an idea how captains skills might look like ? Grozovoi looks to me like a Fletcher with better guns. Good concealment (for a RU DD), + 10 km torps = stealth torping. And the good guns will help with dispatching DDs when needed. Basically sneak around, cap points - shoot DDs on points, torp stuff. You might spend more time torping stuff than shooting stuff ? We already have Khaba for that. With one less turret, and lower armor Grozovoi wont be able to compete for the Dakka Dakka crown. But it wont be bad either. So.... Concealment Expert and module instead of AFT and rudder shift. Other skills ? BFT - might be good, if she got Defensive AA, Health, always nice on T10 DD, Vigilance and Superintendent are seem like a strong options too. Right now I have the Udaloi and might be good idea to gather experience in advance, but If I were to transfer the captain later, the build should work on both, Edited January 31, 2017 by nooberg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #28 Posted January 31, 2017 I think it will play more like Udaloi with Railguns than Kebab Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YKING] shamelesscreature Players 1,202 posts 8,169 battles Report post #29 Posted February 1, 2017 I think it will play more like Udaloi with Railguns than Kebab Fat Udaloi though, its turning radius is going to be Khabarovsk level if it stays that way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #30 Posted February 4, 2017 Meh, even though it sounds like I'll have a headstart in the branch (I already have Ognevoi), I don't think I'll be motivated to grind it. It's another all-rounder. Same gun number and caliber as KM DDs, extremely similar torps, no hydro. You get the gimmick that you can mount Def AA instead of Engine Boost but like hell I'm gonna do that, gotta go fast. Yeah the AA is nice but t10 CVs have a bazillion planes and squads. It's too little, too late. If it had Def AA in its own slot, that'd make it much more appealing to me. Honestly, I don't see the point in this. If you're gonna make sekrit document paper ships, at least make them interesting and different. Why make another hybrid DD branch when we just got a whole line of them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #31 Posted February 5, 2017 Because it will actually be good unlike the germans Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Poster_2015 Players 695 posts Report post #32 Posted February 5, 2017 Germans are actually very underrated imo. True low tiers were pretty terrible, but since Gaede im more and more positively surprised by each tier. Maass was a blast, Z23 i guess not so much, but it was solid. Z46 is currently my best win ratio/scoring DD of all tiers. It just takes a bit of different approach (which I actually only achieved around Z23 level - thus great score with it, even if its not amazing objectively). There is plenty of things that make or break ships, that you dont really see from raw stats - especially with DDs. Just for example - one thing that makes Z46 great is turret placement - at first glance 2 rear turrets are kinda meh, but then you realise that your middle turret can basically shoot straight forward and the ship gets so much out of it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ALA] Bismarck_chan Players 392 posts 5,321 battles Report post #33 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Looks to modern for my taste. Edited February 7, 2017 by Bismarck_chan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #34 Posted February 7, 2017 Grozovoi : - Minimum detection range (CE+camo+Upgrade Module) = 6,9 km - Detection penalty when firing : +5,9 km -->Grozovoi cannot stealth fire (max firing range is 12,36 km with AFT) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BUSHI] CuddlyPanda Players 352 posts 3,883 battles Report post #35 Posted February 7, 2017 Damn, what a sexy ship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #36 Posted February 7, 2017 Can someone give an approximate guess for the amount of Free XP needed to unlock the Grozovoi starting from Ognevoi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azakeit Players 450 posts 8,264 battles Report post #37 Posted February 7, 2017 380K Free XP probably (T8 to T9 is usually 150K XP and T9 to T10 is somewhere between 230/250k XP). I don't know what i will be using with this line, maybe concealement and AFT... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #38 Posted February 7, 2017 380K Free XP probably (T8 to T9 is usually 150K XP and T9 to T10 is somewhere between 230/250k XP). I don't know what i will be using with this line, maybe concealement and AFT... I guess it will be more like a torpedo boat with good guns. I find the new RU T10 to be similar to a Blyskawica. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Azakeit Players 450 posts 8,264 battles Report post #39 Posted February 7, 2017 It will have good stealth firing capablities so ? I'm really enjoying these new DDs additions, re-bought the Udaloi and grinding a new captain in it a few days ago ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #40 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) It will have good stealth firing capablities so ? I'm really enjoying these new DDs additions, re-bought the Udaloi and grinding a new captain in it a few days ago ! It cannot stealth fire. Its strongest asset is its AA. With manual AA, it has the best AA in the game for a DD. It is basically a Fletcher with better guns and worse torps. Edited February 7, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #41 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) It cannot stealth fire. Why stealth fire when you can stealth torp?! Personally I find stealth firing not worth the effort for DDs. Edited February 7, 2017 by ABED1984 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #42 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Because it will actually be good unlike the germans Nope z-23 is good z-46 is goddamn amazing ship And grozovoi on its tier will be just mediocore at best , can't dodge, has no stealth , bad torps only good AA . Even guns compared to others will be just average . Edited February 7, 2017 by KaraMon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #43 Posted February 7, 2017 Why stealth fire when you can stealth torp?! Personally I find stealth firing not worth the effort for DDs. Depends on how reliable your damage output is when doing both no? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #44 Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) Depends on how reliable your damage output is when doing both no? You always need the enemy player to be guessing your position and with stealth firing the enemy ship will be able to pin point your position thus making torp attacks less effective. Edited February 7, 2017 by ABED1984 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #45 Posted February 7, 2017 Nope z-23 is good z-46 is goddamn amazing ship And grozovoi on its tier will be just mediocore at best , can't dodge, has no stealth , bad torps only good AA . Even guns compared to others will be just average . ye the germans are not bad I like them to especially Z-23 and Maass it was just a reference to the Forum whine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #46 Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) You always need the enemy player to be guessing your position and with stealth firing the enemy ship will be able to pin point your position thus making torp attacks less effective. You are not going to torp anything in Grozovoi to do serious damage . Yest torps are "the same" as german on this tier , and i find z-46 extremely strong torpedo boat but there is a catch . Grozovoi torps have very long cooldown , yes you get 2 more but this does not matter. Good torpedo boat either hit hard or spam torps quick. I have 69 seconds of reload on z46 torps and around 55 seconds when adrenaline kicks in . Grozovoi is not even close enough to those values and has garbage concealment so you have to launch from greater range reducing the chance to hit anything . Edited February 8, 2017 by KaraMon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekay85 ∞ Beta Tester 1,817 posts 11,852 battles Report post #47 Posted February 8, 2017 And grozovoi on its tier will be just mediocore at best , can't dodge, has no stealth , bad torps only good AA . Even guns compared to others will be just average . So, you tested the ship that you can say that or you just talkin? Cause the Supertester will get it on Thursday, so how can you talk relaible about the ship stats? Or is it just guessing and talking about it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #48 Posted February 8, 2017 You are not going to torp anything in Grozovoi to do serious damage . Yest torps are "the same" as german on this tier , and i find z-46 extremely strong torpedo boat but there is a catch . Grozovoi torps have very long cooldown , yes you get 2 more but this does not matter. Good torpedo boat either hit hard or spam torps quick. I have 69 seconds of reload on z46 torps and around 55 seconds when adrenaline kicks in . Grozovoi is not even close enough to those values and has garbage concealment so you have to launch from greater range reducing the chance to hit anything . So can it win gun fights against Gearing / Khaba / Z-46? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #49 Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) So, you tested the ship that you can say that or you just talkin? Cause the Supertester will get it on Thursday, so how can you talk relaible about the ship stats? Or is it just guessing and talking about it? I played nearly all DD in the game, most of the cruisers and every BB up to t8 . I can tell just by looking at it stats if it will be useful or not . Got more than 6000 games and i know in this state this ship will be simply worse than others as it is simply like stock Udaloy on t10 :p . They should simply get same range and maneuverability like Udaloy so it will at least be improvement , now it is downgrade @Abed z-46/z52 in straight up gun fight most likely will lose , Gearing and Kebab are still kings :p Edited February 8, 2017 by KaraMon 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekay85 ∞ Beta Tester 1,817 posts 11,852 battles Report post #50 Posted February 8, 2017 I played nearly all DD in the game, most of the cruisers and every BB up to t8 . I can tell just by looking at it stats if it will be useful or not . Got more than 6000 games and i know in this state this ship will be simply worse than others as it is simply like stock Udaloy on t10 :p . They should simply get same range and maneuverability like Udaloy so it will at least be improvement , now it is downgrade @Abed z-46/z52 in straight up gun fight most likely will lose , Gearing and Kebab are still kings :p Well, i also played nearly every ship, but thats not the point. The new russian dds were not in Supertest yet, so all stats are just placeholders until they tested and balanced... In this case i find it kind of strange to judge a ship that may not come with the stats u saw on (just a guess) armoredpatrol. Thats why i asked if you tested them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
