1 volley AP - Pure death for Cruisers ? (tier X)

[hitem13]

Hello Bois.

So, ive come back to this game after a year break. I was the first guy in EU reaching tier 10 as japanese Cruiser and i had a blast back then (when people where wallriding to dodge fire and carriers was unkillable). But ive notice that nowdays i get 1 shoot by a battleship with AP. Thats 40k + 3.5k from perks in ONE shoot. This have happened so often now that its not "pure RNG" or "Skill". It seems to be common that if you are a cruiser nowdays you should hide like a DD ?

I have no chance if i get spotted for a second by a battleship or anyone of his teammates (where he can reach me, and thats over 20km).

 

Anyone else experienced this?

This cant be ment to be like this.

 

 

Edit: I should add that my "testing" have been done on 100 games, where i died in 65 games with Zao since 2 days ago. And in 45 of them i died by a single volley (i managed to sink a few other guys before going down ^^). But once sunk, it was always 1 volley AP.

[LilJumpa]

Can a Zao get oneshot by a BB ? Yes.

But it is not common. Only if you make a mistake and give them full broadside so they can land multiple citadels. 1-2 citadels can happen even if you wiggle and angle but not full HP oneshots.

 

Since I also read that you actually chose to use Survivability Expert on your Zao, maybe you should look at the Cruiser forums or some recent YT vids on the Zao to get back into it, because a lot changed the past year.

(Hint: SE is not a good perk for the Zao)

[ColonelPete]

Going 100 to 0% health in one volley should be an extremly rare occurance.

If that happens very often to you, you are doing something wrong.

Cruisers can duel BBs for minutes, but it is better to avoid it.

Yes, stealth is extremly important for high tier cruisers.

[shadowwolf9705]

how far away did you stay from the BBs cause if you go too close you will get oneshoted but if you stay at range you can evade salvos try to keep 14km distance as minimum

[wilkatis_LV]

While wast majority of players still have no clue which end of their gun barrel to point towards the enemy there are quite a few people who have grasped the trick of aiming. Game's been out for long enough for some people to learn it.

Cruisers when put against BBs have basically no real armor and a nice large citadel. If you give BBs your side and don't even attempt to dodge their shells expect to get deleted in 1...2 salvos every game

[_Teob_]

Hello Bois.

So, ive come back to this game after a year break. I was the first guy in EU reaching tier 10 as japanese Cruiser and i had a blast back then (when people where wallriding to dodge fire and carriers was unkillable). But ive notice that nowdays i get 1 shoot by a battleship with AP. Thats 40k + 3.5k from perks in ONE shoot. This have happened so often now that its not "pure RNG" or "Skill". It seems to be common that if you are a cruiser nowdays you should hide like a DD ?

I have no chance if i get spotted for a second by a battleship or anyone of his teammates (where he can reach me, and thats over 20km).

 

Anyone else experienced this?

This cant be ment to be like this.

 

 

Edit: I should add that my "testing" have been done on 100 games, where i died in 65 games with Zao since 2 days ago. And in 45 of them i died by a single volley (i managed to sink a few other guys before going down ^^). But once sunk, it was always 1 volley AP.

 

I genuinely cannot believe you got 1-shot in 45 of your 100 games. That doesn't happen even if you sail broadside all the damn time at 10 km - RNG will still save you more than one out of two Not to mention that Zao has troll armor.

 

Also you don't have 100 games in the Zao in total. You have 90 now. 

 

 

Lastly, don't use survival expert on a Zao.

[bushwacker001]

26 Zao battles in the last 2 days and survived 14 of them.....I think you are telling porkies. Were there stat sites when you last played because there are now. 

 

 

 

[hitem13]

Yes i have 100 games in Zao. But i play on 2 accounts (edit: mine and the one i took over from my gf - hers have more dublooms ^^. who assumed i only had this account? common bois, think wider).
I have filled out an excel document for each and every fight. Ive been grinding 24/7 the last 3 days (ie: 2 days ago +today - and then there was the patch).

 

 

Anyhow, thanks for all the quick replies and thanks for the suggestion to check out the Cruiser forum, i will do so. However, i did not come here because there are things ive missed. I came here because im getting 1 shooted by an AP battleship and wanted to express my thoughts about it and check if others have the same issue.

The distance im being killed from range from 10km up to 22km, but the majority ends up around 14.4-16.7km. And i have the -100% detonation chance flag.

Sometimes it requiered a second salvo (as the first one did 38k), but 45 of my DEATHS are done by a single salvo battleship.

As mention above i can understand that some people are good, but when this happenes in almost 50% of all my deaths i smell something else then just skill/rng.

[Cadelanne]

Yes i have 100 games in Zao. But i play on 2 accounts (edit: mine and the one i took over from my gf - hers have more dublooms ^^).

I have filled out an excel document for each and every fight. Perhaps your source havent updated yeat as ive been grinding 24/7 the last 3 days (ie: 2 days ago +today - and then there was the patch).

 

ayyy lmao

 

Besides this, I agree with the OP when I think total deletion shouldn't happen. In exchange I wish that a cruiser couldn't just sail broadisde to me for 8 years and torp me while eating 3 full volleys of overpens.

 

But the game is what it is.

 

:'(

[LilJumpa]

Anyhow, thanks for all the quick replies and thanks for the suggestion to check out the Cruiser forum, i will do so. However, i did not come here because there are things ive missed. I came here because im getting 1 shooted by an AP battleship and wanted to express my thoughts about it and check if others have the same issue.

The distance im being killed from range from 10km up to 22km, but the majority ends up around 14.4-16.7km. And i have the -100% detonation chance flag.

Sometimes it requiered a second salvo (as the first one did 38k), but 45 of my DEATHS are done by a single salvo battleship.

As mention above i can understand that some people are good, but when this happenes in almost 50% of all my deaths i smell something else then just skill/rng.

 

I have 119 games in the Zao and cannot recall being oneshot from full HP to 0 (in 1 salvo) from a BB. Not even once. 

 

Does that answer it more clearly?

[hitem13]

 

I have 119 games in the Zao and cannot recall being oneshot from full HP to 0 (in 1 salvo) from a BB. Not even once. 

 

Does that answer it more clearly?

 

Yes, this is the information im looking for Sir.

Thanks

[bushwacker001]

Yes i have 100 games in Zao. But i play on 2 accounts (edit: mine and the one i took over from my gf - hers have more dublooms ^^. who assumed i only had this account? common bois, think wider).

I have filled out an excel document for each and every fight. Ive been grinding 24/7 the last 3 days (ie: 2 days ago +today - and then there was the patch).

 

 

 

 

  panic answer.........so you play 226 games on this account in 2 days and still have time for at least another 75 Zao games on "your girlfriends" account.  

 

 

[LilJumpa]

 

  panic answer.........so you play 226 games on this account in 2 days and still have time for at least another 75 Zao games on "your girlfriends" account.  

 

 

 

warships.today added the missing IJN DD games yesterday. So he surely didn't play 226 games and I didn't play 276.

[hitem13]

 

  panic answer.........so you play 226 games on this account in 2 days and still have time for at least another 75 Zao games on "your girlfriends" account.  

 

 

 

Panic, No - thats your assumption. Just beacuse you cant pull it of dosent mean others cant.

If i have time? Yes , else i wouldnt state it.

 

Edit: and read the above reply.

[bushwacker001]

 

warships.today added the missing IJN DD games yesterday. So he surely didn't play 226 games and I didn't play 276.

 

fair shout. 

 

edit - Name your other account then OP and it will clear up your potential BS.

[beercrazy]

get to tier 10 and most players have figured out by now broadside anything is food for all classes

you state you get 1 shot nearly every game and though you may feel that its more likely your remembering the bad games more than the good

 

best thing you can do in my opinion is drop down the tiers till you relearn the new and old mechanics of the game and then go back to tier 10

 

[mikelight1805]

I sail a stock neptune and thats a ship that has one shot potential. i have been deleted quickly when out of smoke, but im not sure it was ever just the one salvo from full health

[beercrazy]

I sail a stock neptune and thats a ship that has one shot potential. i have been deleted quickly when out of smoke, but im not sure it was ever just the one salvo from full health

 

was in my Neptune yesterday and went aggressive into enemy Neptune smoke and then fired 2 broadsides at him and got 9 citadels but by god he nearly had me as well though

[hitem13]

get to tier 10 and most players have figured out by now broadside anything is food for all classes

you state you get 1 shot nearly every game and though you may feel that its more likely your remembering the bad games more than the good

 

 

best thing you can do in my opinion is drop down the tiers till you relearn the new and old mechanics of the game and then go back to tier 10

 

 

 

Thanks man and yes, i am investigating the cause of it and thats why i did this post. Its all about collecting information. And yes, its hard to remember the good once over the bad once ^^.

But i feel that many people just resort to "go learn the game" which aint the issue in this case. I can agree that im not among the best or even good. But im avarage player and i rarely get hit in my broadside. its always from the front or 45degree angles.

I meen, it cant be a single perk that does this that im missing when its so common for me. Its same in my mogami when i meet same teir of battleships.

But thanks for your reply man!

 

And im off the evening now, 3 days grind and i need some good wine and dinner out with GF to repay for Doubloons ^^

[VC381]

I haven't been playing very long and not reached Tier 10 yet but I am mainly a cruiser player up to T9. I have no idea how cruiser survivability worked in early versions of the game but the way I understand it is, if you're getting hit by a BB you screwed up. Angling doesn't save you and in some cases can make it worse, as shells are less likely to overpen. The tactics options, depending on ships, are to stay at range, stay invisible, dodge like crazy or some combination of all of those.

 

I don't have the Zao but I believe she can stealth-fire. That's one possible solution. There are also skills like Priority Target (tells you how many enemies currently have you selected as a target) and Incoming Fire Alert (tells you when shells are flying your way), both of which are great for telling you when you should hit WASD like a mad-man and stop shooting to fade out of detection.

 

A nimble cruisers with some RNG luck can keep a BB busy for some time and even give more than he takes, but it's constant hard work. DO NOT expect stationary or angling based play to work in most cruisers against BB guns. Some of the armor on some cruisers can bounce BB shells in some situations but you're always gambling with that approach. Simple rule, don't get hit in the first place.

[Kriegsmarshal]

Just upgraded to Neptune and first 3 games, single salvo received, detonation and ship sunk from 100% even with the no detonation flag on. At least Edinburgh was playable but this is just rubbish.

[waxx25]

OP your title is spelled wrong. It needs to be "Pure death to people who have been away from game for one year and come back to play in a tier x cruiser expecting to play good"

[Syrchalis]

I got oneshot through the bow from absolute max health by a Kurfürst at least 3 times in Zao - and no, I was not closer than 12km.

 

BBs ability to counter cruisers is just way over the top. Compare it to DDs who can barely hit a single torpedo per volley in a BB, who then have 50% torpedo protection or even [edited]IMPROVED (this means better than most cruisers!) hydro, no bias at all. Or that BBs have generally more AA dps than cruisers except for the absolute hard-core dedicated AA boats like Des Moines who suffer from this "strength" by having at least 3 weaknesses to offset it, while there is BBs immune to citadels that get another 4 strengths to offset 30m worse dispersion at 25km.

 

I bet if you remove cruiser citadels and make those hits just deal penetration damage the game would be better than it is now and BBs would still counter cruisers. But cruisers could actually stop hugging islands for 19 minutes of the game.

 

We all know this isn't going to happen though. WG is a greedy AF company and 40% of their players play BBs, because they are well known, so BBs = OP is acceptable. Any other class (especially one that counters BBs) being strong is not.

[waxx25]

I got oneshot through the bow from absolute max health by a Kurfürst at least 3 times in Zao - and no, I was not closer than 12km.

 

BBs ability to counter cruisers is just way over the top. Compare it to DDs who can barely hit a single torpedo per volley in a BB, who then have 50% torpedo protection or even [edited]IMPROVED (this means better than most cruisers!) hydro, no bias at all. Or that BBs have generally more AA dps than cruisers except for the absolute hard-core dedicated AA boats like Des Moines who suffer from this "strength" by having at least 3 weaknesses to offset it, while there is BBs immune to citadels that get another 4 strengths to offset 30m worse dispersion at 25km.

 

I bet if you remove cruiser citadels and make those hits just deal penetration damage the game would be better than it is now and BBs would still counter cruisers. But cruisers could actually stop hugging islands for 19 minutes of the game.

 

I sincerely doubt you got "oneshot" from bow on in a zao......

[tenacious_torps]

OP your title is spelled wrong. It needs to be "Pure death to people who have been away from game for one year and come back to play in a tier x cruiser expecting to play good"

 

 Bit unkind, but probably true. OP, I'd suggest you have a good look at your build. Do you run that how many people are aiming at me thingy? You absolutely should in a cruiser, helps a lot. You see the number go up, you start wiggling your backside immediately.