[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #1 Posted January 26, 2017 So how much is ranked meta p2w Anyone complete it without spending doubloons, real cash, t7 or t8 I only got to rank 5 with BB and CA without paying a dime , this year i will be playing DD's but i don't have a captain for mahan . So im finally going to pay lol Because its real hard to get to rank 1 without real world cash Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #2 Posted January 26, 2017 For what do you want to spend your money? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #3 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) For what do you want to spend your money? Captain retraining for mahan , or buy sims if they sell it and use my fletcher captain.... ect Edited January 26, 2017 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #4 Posted January 26, 2017 What a stupid poll 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[72] mikelight1805 [72] Beta Tester 453 posts 14,842 battles Report post #5 Posted January 26, 2017 Good players will always extract the maximum out of any ship if its premium or not. Good players are also likely to have premium ships with a lot of games under their belt in that ship. I don't think it is P2W, but more like that the winners will pay anyway, because they like the game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #6 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Good players will always extract the maximum out of any ship if its premium or not. Good players are also likely to have premium ships with a lot of games under their belt in that ship. I don't think it is P2W, but more like that the winners will pay anyway, because they like the game. Yes its true , i got to rank 5 with nagato after that , the dd's gets more xp most of the time and they don't lose a star. Meanwhile im stuck in rank 5. Edited January 26, 2017 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #7 Posted January 26, 2017 Yes its true , i got to rank 5 with nagato after that , the dd's gets more xp most of the time and they don't lose a star. Meanwhile im stuck in rank 5. well you should have brought you Benson out then.... No ones fault but yours Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #8 Posted January 26, 2017 Captain retraining for mahan , or buy sims if they sell it and use my fletcher captain.... ect Captain retraining for gold is not P2W. Sims does not perform very well to be considered P2W. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTS] deadly_if_swallowed Players 1,678 posts 13,867 battles Report post #9 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Not exactly p2w but at T7 some premium ships have some tools that are not accessible to non-prem ships. So they may be a gamechanger but not a guarantee for winning. At T8 I am totally fine with what we have. Edit: I know this sounds different from what I posted in the other thread. There I wanted to point out the disparity between prem and non-prem, and that some ships have destroyed or mingled with balance and meta in the past. But in the end I do not consider them p2w. Edited January 26, 2017 by _Kyoshi 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #10 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) well you should have brought you Benson out then.... No ones fault but yours Did not have a Benson , and captain last season. Did not even have a computer lol Edited January 26, 2017 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] aboomination Players 5,763 posts 16,940 battles Report post #11 Posted January 26, 2017 There's even a WGP2W clan...the salt is real. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #12 Posted January 26, 2017 i dont rly care ranked , just do for some free flags Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NAVOC] Niibler Players 723 posts Report post #13 Posted January 26, 2017 In my experience a fair amount of wallet players don't even know how to use the ships properly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #14 Posted January 26, 2017 Not exactly p2w but at T7 some premium ships have some tools that are not accessible to non-prem ships. This. That's why tier 7 is an obviously poor choice for ranked and because it's obvious we have ample reason to assume other motivations than the best possible experience for players. Like good old corporate greed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #15 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) This. That's why tier 7 is an obviously poor choice for ranked and because it's obvious we have ample reason to assume other motivations than the best possible experience for players. Like good old corporate greed. and this has never been the case at tier 8 in Previase ranked seasons No BBs with Torps MM Tirpitz No CA with HP rapair Mmm Atago No CA with Smoke and Uber long range guns Mmm Kutuzov There are many more Viable ships at tier 7 than there are at tier 8 for ranked both Prem and Non Prem From what i can see we have a few ships with Very short Turm Radar in the Prem ships but nothing else. Also Tier 7 Prem ships are a lot more accessible to players as they are quite a bit cheaper Edited January 26, 2017 by T0byJug 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTS] deadly_if_swallowed Players 1,678 posts 13,867 battles Report post #16 Posted January 26, 2017 From what i can see we have a few ships with Very short Turm Radar in the Prem ships but nothing else "very short" means 8.5 km for 25 seconds in this case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,733 battles Report post #17 Posted January 26, 2017 Oh look, another p2w thread. So how much is ranked meta p2w Anyone complete it without spending doubloons, real cash, t7 or t8 I only got to rank 5 with BB and CA without paying a dime , this year i will be playing DD's but i don't have a captain for mahan . So im finally going to pay lol Because its real hard to get to rank 1 without real world cash ...It is perfectlky possible to reach rank 1 without payinbg a dime. You do not win by paying. You do not have to grind XP, so you do not have to buy signals. You do not need a premium account to play ranked, it gives you no benefits. You do not have to pay to retrain your captains, you have enough advance warning to start retraining them for credits and normal play. Pls explain why you think paying will allow you to progress to rank 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #18 Posted January 26, 2017 There's even a WGP2W clan...the salt is real. that regulary brings their premiums into the battle. Oh the irony. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #19 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Oh look, another p2w thread. ...It is perfectlky possible to reach rank 1 without payinbg a dime. You do not win by paying. You do not have to grind XP, so you do not have to buy signals. You do not need a premium account to play ranked, it gives you no benefits. You do not have to pay to retrain your captains, you have enough advance warning to start retraining them for credits and normal play. Pls explain why you think paying will allow you to progress to rank 1. How do you retrain a 19 pnt captain for a new ship if you dont have doubloons? pay. Or play 100+ games to retrain it for a t7 ship then play another 100 games to retrain for your old ship. Atleast there is free captain xp now tho but still i mean i have to change banks to pay for doubloons (yeah i know our country sucks). So now i have a 12 pnt captain vs your 19pnt commander because i dont want to change banks? That put me at a disavantage . Then there is also the problem i dont have lots of credits to buy the ships i want for ranked because i dont run premium . ect.. ect.... I have t8 ships i wanted to use now its t7 ranked again Edited January 26, 2017 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #20 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Anyway i will use the mahan(my cursed ship) and see how far i can go with a 12 pnt commander ) Edited January 26, 2017 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #21 Posted January 26, 2017 and this has never been the case at tier 8 in Previase ranked seasons No BBs with Torps MM Tirpitz No CA with HP rapair Mmm Atago No CA with Smoke and Uber long range guns Mmm Kutuzov There are many more Viable ships at tier 7 than there are at tier 8 for ranked both Prem and Non Prem From what i can see we have a few ships with Very short Turm Radar in the Prem ships but nothing else. Also Tier 7 Prem ships are a lot more accessible to players as they are quite a bit cheaper Tirpitz has 6km torps that are *not very useful* in ranked games, so you have his tech tree brother Bismarck with his 10.6km range secondaries and hydro that is a lot better for ranked games Atago is arguably one of the strongest t8 cruisers, but nowadays, everyone that wanted could get his hands on ARP Takao, and probably half of server has her. There is no CA with smoke+18km range combined, but you have Edinburgh with smoke or radar, and you have Chapayev that fills the role of Kutuzov just fine because she can stealthfire easily + has a radar that is even more useful in ranked then Kutuzov smoke. Best DDs for t8 are once again arguably non premium ones, and there is no premium CV on t8. So, now that we have gone trough all the classes and found out that you can have equal / better tech tree counterparts then premiums on t8, lets do that with t7. Tell me what CV can easily outmatch Saipan? How many ships have radar on t7 (yup, they are all premiums) What cruiser can come even close to utility of Belfast? (No, Fiji can not, because she is missing HE and Radar) What cruiser can beat Atlanta as an AA platform? What is the ship that has best base XP gain on t7 (its Sims in case you didn't know) What ship can even compare to Flint? What would you put as a valid tech tree counterpart to Blyska / Leningrad? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #22 Posted January 26, 2017 See why the mahan is my cursed ship Doing above average and look at my winrate , i hate it Yesterday overall Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ENUF] Ze_Reckless [ENUF] Players 2,532 posts 23,427 battles Report post #23 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Farming damage by spamming BBs (exclusively) won't win you games. Mahan's job is to contest caps and kill DDs. (click to enlarge): Edited January 26, 2017 by thirt13n_0815 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ADRIA] Ysterpyp Players 1,490 posts 25,846 battles Report post #24 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Farming damage by spamming BBs (exclusively) won't win you games. Mahan's job is to contest caps and kill DDs. (click to enlarge): I know that is what i have been doing with her as all usn dd's but wg decided to put a modifier on it that if(ysterpyp.ship == mahan) then give him a patato team lol Last t7 ranked to i did try her and did not do well but my captain was weak and i did not play usn dd's correctly. This time it will should go smoother Edited January 26, 2017 by Ysterpyp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Migulaitor Players 748 posts Report post #25 Posted January 26, 2017 Its p2w? Yes. Can you win without paying? Yes. But premium ships on tier 7 have more tools a good player can use. Yes a potato will be a potato even with the best ship. Scharnhorst vs Gneisenau if we continue with 5 dds per team the first is way better, less overpens and better reload, worse AA but you can avoid games with carriers. I dont know whats to think about the 400+mm BBs they depend on the meta. Belfast vs Fiji. Radar and HE vs torps and heal, from my experience on ranked you dont take a bit of damage during a lot of time, its just a big rush so heal is not so usefull while 25 spotted can delete any non BB ship. Myoko is a really strong ship but without tools, and the torps angles are awfull. DDs its pretty balanced IMO, shiratsuyu can be really strong but still the best gunboats are premiums, considering kiev as a CL. But sims have the crazy xp multiplier. CVs are balanced because hiryu with dogfight (obviously we are not talking about Ranger) Twice rank 1 once with Atlanta (before radar), the other with Benson. Bringing Shirat, Gneisenau and Atlanta to this ranked, maybe hiryu also. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
