IFHE or not on Kutuzov

[gizaman]

Hi

 

Tried out 2 builds. One with IFHE with demolition expert and one without IFHE but also with demolition expert

Could not get traning battle to work but tried out in random and co-op battle.

 

It seems there is at least 100 damage on average more per shot with IFHE then without.

Also when testing the amount of fires it seems that it is around 1 fire per 100 hits in difference for the two builds.

Got something like 331 damage per hit with IFHE and 

So it can be from 10000 damage to a lot more in difference for 100 hits for 1 more fire. 

 

Another point is that with fire prevention on us and japan battleships, the increased fire chance often is not worth it due to getting fast 2 fires in mid ships if they do not with both.

Also the fire on the bow is more easy to get with IFHE then without due to fire chance to be half when not penning with shells.

 

Furthermore if a cruiser is going front at you like kutuzov with 26mm armor then you simply NEED IFHE to do any damage worth speaking of.. Many others have 25mm which also needs IFHE to

pen. Another aspect is that if a hit does not pen then the fire damage % is half. Then in itself can mean a lot vs some battleships.

 

Have had more games in a row with over 130.000 damage with IFHE. That has never happend before 6.0. Although I did some crazy 180000 damage once.

The damage is much more consistent and you are not counting on some bogus RNGESUS to get damage.

Can not speak of many of the other 152mm ships besides the cleaveland. Would also pick it for the cleaveland.

Try it out. I am convinced. It stays on my Kutuzov. 

 

[Smeggo]

Same here. Less fire damage but more consistent damage. Smelt T6-8 BBs by firing at the bow or stern. 

 

[daki]

Indeed, its an excellent choice for Kutuzov.

Even without DE I get a rather consistent damage and usually 6-12 fires per match.

When I first tried it on PT the reduced fire chance was -6% so it was definitely not worth it, but now the situation changed drastically with -3% in the final release.

So without DE and with signal flags I have a 10% fire chance which is quite decent taking into account max 12 shells every 8 sec.

[EsaTuunanen]

Same here. Less fire damage but more consistent damage. Smelt T6-8 BBs by firing at the bow or stern. 

Further penetration damage is only 50% healable, unlike fire damage.

[gizaman]

Nice observation EsaTuunanen.

 

That is much better in a team sense than just getting fire damage that is healable and thus not so much worth. The objective is after all to kill rather than annoy in the end.

[MuddyMo]

i would definitifly use this on my kutuzov, but sadly my kutuzov commander only has 12 points and i picked concealment expert first

[mtm78]

 IFHE or not on Kutuzov

 

Flamu says yes

 

edit: but why you ask specific build for prem? I don't have a dedicated captain for MK... my highest point captain is on Donskoi now ( also benefits a lot from IFHE ) and I'm starting to level another captain for Chappy which has even better synergy with Kutuzov. 

[nerderklaus]

It seems tempting, but problem is that the two good Ruski captains I have currently are intended for the Moskva and the DD line which both need other builds.

 

You would need to keep one of the cruisers and make a captain for that, f.e. chapa is worth keeping and pretty similar to MK when it comes to useful captain skills.

 

I watched the flamu vids as well, but I put far less into AA compared to him, because that stuff requires CVs to be there and even if they are there, they might keep their planes away from me.

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

IFHE: On all 150-152-155mm ships + on USN  DD up to tier 7 + on USSR DD. -> much more regular pen for dmg + can troll a lot of BB (example farragut sinking a colorado thx to IFHE)

DE is not worth it now that it is down to +2%

[mtm78]

IFHE: On all 150-152-155mm ships + on USN  DD up to tier 7 + on USSR DD. -> much more regular pen for dmg + can troll a lot of BB (example farragut sinking a colorado thx to IFHE)

DE is not worth it now that it is down to +2%

 

You're forgetting Donskoi / Molotov ( 180mm ). 

[Dampfboot]

Kutuzov + IFHE = Very NICE!

 

[Gojuadorai]

totaly worth it

 

but has anybody a clue if its any good on the donskoi?

(to lazy to do the math and research)

[jure_eruj]

I have it, I love 5-6k HE salvos on broadside BB. Plus I still start a lot of fires.

[kodos]

gizaman, on 21 January 2017 - 08:48 PM, said:

due to fire chance to be half when not penning with shells

 

never read this before, were do you got this info?

[mtm78]

but has anybody a clue if its any good on the donskoi?

 

Flamu advised yes based on a list somewhere with pen values, I didn't check and just got my Donskoi and I'm doing ok with it I feel. 

[peachpest]

I'm still grinding the Shchors but the build im using for that captain should work well with the Molotov, Chapayev, Mikhail Kutuzov and Dmitri Donskoi and the few games iv had in Mikhail Kutuzov so far have been very promising.

[Dampfboot]

I'm still grinding the Shchors but the build im using for that captain should work well with the Molotov, Chapayev, Mikhail Kutuzov and Dmitri Donskoi and the few games iv had in Mikhail Kutuzov so far have been very promising.

 

You don't need IFHE on Molotov and Donskoi I thought because 180mm?

[Gojuadorai]

 

Flamu advised yes based on a list somewhere with pen values, I didn't check and just got my Donskoi and I'm doing ok with it I feel. 

 

problem is the donskoi has so great support build with aa i wouldnt spec it if it wasnt really good  ok doesnt cut the deal

[TheOneAndOnlyGoldstein]

If there aren't any better skills, IFHE is a good idea, though imo that is a bit overkill.

[Comrad_StaIin]

If there aren't any better skills, IFHE is a good idea, though imo that is a bit overkill.

Why is it overkill?

I mean more dmg is good right?

[Babykim]

Why would you even have a captain trained for a premium ship??? Bollox

 

Premium ships are there to train captains for tree ships.

[Gojuadorai]

Why would you even have a captain trained for a premium ship??? Bollox

 

Premium ships are there to train captains for tree ships.

 

what if you do not have any cpt to retrain atm?

or you want to farm missions or credits or play ranked ?

 

usually you have a good prem ship cpt trained gfor it that is usefull on another prem ship 

[kodos]

Premium ships are there to train captains for tree ships.

 

if you have other ships in that line/nation

a lot of people don't grind thru the russian cruiser if they already have the MK

[Widgetmaker]

 

never read this before, were do you got this info?

 

It's not true. Sub_octavian confirmed fire chance doesn't vary based on shatter / not shatter on Reddit a couple of weeks back. 

[mtm78]

 

problem is the donskoi has so great support build with aa i wouldnt spec it if it wasnt really good  ok doesnt cut the deal

 

Not enough CV's to be useful imo, just like an Akizuki AAA build. When more CV's start appearing or when I play with lots of BB's in division I might respec. For solo randoms I rather rely on my own damage output then on protecting others.