[3X] Spithas Players 887 posts 12,804 battles Report post #76 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Probably neither. Just another patch, at least after few days when everybody will be playing just like before, when they find their dreaded gamebraking skill won't have much effect. You mean it won't have any effect to the majority of the plebs who can't tell the bow from the stern of their ships and randoms will continue to be played like they do. You are totally right. Some ships will suffer but in general the overall gameplay of randoms and that of 90% of the population of this game won't change, it will still continue to be Camp or Lemming or both. And this is exactly what WG is betting on. However tournaments, ranked, team play will be severely affected. Edited January 17, 2017 by Spithas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #77 Posted January 17, 2017 and "Changed the armour penetration for Akizuki’s explosive shells from 19 mm to 17 mm." Yes, but does not change so much, because 19mm HE pen was not enough for 19mm plating, so either it is +25% or +30% you will now be at >19mm and <25mm pen, which would have been the same with 19mm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CAIN] Jethro_Grey Players 5,207 posts 25,668 battles Report post #78 Posted January 17, 2017 Time to mothball my DDs, and put this retarded RPF skill on my Des Moines and my German BBs. Just to see how long it takes for the shitstorm to evolve on the forums when every DD driver gets raped by Cruisers/ BBs with that skill. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #79 Posted January 17, 2017 I planned on trying out something like Yugumo with SE, TAE and Adrenalin Rush with F3's ... guess I will skip that now. Such a shame as AR would give ppl an incentive to play aggressive... But it would have made BFT an irrelevant or down right broken skill when stacked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTS] peachpest Beta Tester 208 posts 10,789 battles Report post #80 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Well it still says: Inertia Fuse for HE Shells -3% to chance of fire on target caused by HE shells +30% to the armour penetration capacity of HE shells on the EU patch notes. Edited January 17, 2017 by peachpest Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #81 Posted January 17, 2017 Such a shame as AR would give ppl an incentive to play aggressive... But it would have made BFT an irrelevant or down right broken skill when stacked. You, think +25% ROF would be too much? How so? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dragnorak Players 617 posts 6,737 battles Report post #82 Posted January 17, 2017 Well for me initially im going to play my IJN DDs (Fujin, Shira and Yugumo) and see what the reality is for me and my enjoyment of the game. I want to see the affects on my stats as they won't lie. Then I will make a decision as to wether I give my account away or not or continue in my USN DDs (that I don't enjoy as much as IJN) Or my BBs (That I don't enjoy as much as DD play) I approach the week ahead with some trepidation!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #83 Posted January 17, 2017 You, think +25% ROF would be too much? How so? When stacked with a low hp AR ship the effects would be amazing. Imagine the abuse on stuff like Kutuzov, Minotaur and Atlanta/Flint! Visions of a solid line of shells painting targets. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #84 Posted January 17, 2017 Answer in regards to what PRO arguments exist for RDF: Sub_Octavian: PRO aspect of adding this skill is to improve the role of DD hunters that is crucial to all cruisers and some destroyers. We expect this to be an efficient option for these ships, but definitely not a must. Also, this skill conceptually lowers one of existing "I'm helpless" scanarios. Such scenarios exist in the game, an we would like to lower their impact. Here, I talk about being opposed by any ship with better concealment. If you paid 4 points for this skill, you will at least know the direction. Not an ultimate weapon, and rather a tool. Greetings Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #85 Posted January 17, 2017 Then I will simply use RPF equipped cruisers to hunt these un-enlightened fools to the errors of there ways and hunt them with out mercy using a lame skill WG decided was fine. I know I wont be playing my destroyrs much if at all till its changed. yea hunt something in a cruiser..... ROFL be sure to ask the BB that deleted you while runing after a DD at least thanks you for the free exp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CLADS] olmedreca Players 226 posts 5,719 battles Report post #86 Posted January 17, 2017 It will absolutely suck for IJN DD's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #87 Posted January 17, 2017 Answer in regards to what PRO arguments exist for RDF: Block Quote Sub_Octavian: PRO aspect of adding this skill is to improve the role of DD hunters that is crucial to all cruisers and some destroyers. We expect this to be an efficient option for these ships, but definitely not a must. Also, this skill conceptually lowers one of existing "I'm helpless" scanarios. Such scenarios exist in the game, an we would like to lower their impact. Here, I talk about being opposed by any ship with better concealment. If you paid 4 points for this skill, you will at least know the direction. Not an ultimate weapon, and rather a tool. Greetings Aka WG listening to the From the BBabies which when they are the last one alive on their team because, just like the pro 45% wr top tier BabyBoat division I had this morning using their top tier BabyBoats sniping at enemy team from max range WITH a frigin spotter plane, in a domination match.... And THESE are the people WG wants to cater to. Disgusting! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NECRO] Deckeru_Maiku Beta Tester 6,636 posts 24,864 battles Report post #88 Posted January 17, 2017 Considering that RDF is still in the patch, without Dasha showing her nekkid boobies, they managed to break the "Dasha Factor (Patch Quality Indicator)" completely. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LordMeru Players 394 posts 12,229 battles Report post #89 Posted January 17, 2017 Considering that RDF is still in the patch, without Dasha showing her nekkid boobies, they managed to break the "Dasha Factor (Patch Quality Indicator)" completely. Here you go Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #90 Posted January 17, 2017 this skill conceptually lowers one of existing "I'm helpless" scanarios. Such scenarios exist in the game, an we would like to lower their impact. Here, I talk about being opposed by any ship with better concealment. Then the ship with better concealment is helpless because he's opposed by a ship with far more firepower, armour and HP that can use the force to pin him in a corner and sink him, but I guess that's okay. In any event it's debatable whether that actually is an "I'm helpless" scenario, the "helpless" ship still has the option to cap forcing the DD out of concealment, and if all of the caps are taken then the game will be over in pretty quickly anyway. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #91 Posted January 17, 2017 However tournaments, ranked, team play will be severely affected. Perhaps. Time to adapt then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CBS] Allied_Winter Players 6,242 posts 10,755 battles Report post #92 Posted January 17, 2017 On a sidenote: It still baffles me that information regarding upcoming things flows from a third party plattform back to the official forums (and not the other way round...) Greetings 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTS] peachpest Beta Tester 208 posts 10,789 battles Report post #93 Posted January 17, 2017 yea hunt something in a cruiser..... ROFL be sure to ask the BB that deleted you while runing after a DD at least thanks you for the free exp. You make out as though I would just go off sailing after a DD I play smarter than that thank you very much, maybe I should not have used the word "Hunt" more like "Counter" the simple act of heading off a DD as he tries to maneuver into an attack position can and will decide games with RPF. As for getting deleted by a BB whats new there then ?. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[3X] Spithas Players 887 posts 12,804 battles Report post #94 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Perhaps. Time to adapt then. Nice one liner but maybe put your brain to work a bit next time. Adapt to what exactly? Less diversity in tactics? Less manuevering? Less Fanking? More blobbing? Less need for proper scouting? There is nothing to adapt to as this only removes plays from the game. P.S. 19 Ranked Battles played in total out of which 3 are in Tier 8 all in Tirpitz. Should have known better than to bother replying to someone who has 0 clues. Edited January 17, 2017 by Spithas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Great_SCH Players 374 posts 3,672 battles Report post #95 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) The only "helpless scenario" i can think of is late-game where a BB is stupid inough to go around the map alone. And yes, there are many of them. But it is a nice chance to get some damage in a DD. So this translates into a big "F*CK YOU" to DD players, especially stealthy ships, that relied on that. Do they want to turn radar ships into better DD hunter? Do they want to turn CV's into better DD's hunters? Isn't the survivability rate on BB's higher already than DD's? At least make up a logical excuse before coming with a statement that lame. Edit. Also, a not-so-braindead BB players can maneuver in a way that torps from 7km won't hit. If they hit, they will hit after a yolo charge, which make this thing useless anyways. Edited January 17, 2017 by RethyI 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #96 Posted January 17, 2017 Wait. Does RDF actually mean CE is useless for DDs now and it becomes a Cruiser and BB skill... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #97 Posted January 17, 2017 Polls on forums show 90% against, PTS feedback portion of the forum is full of people openly against RPF. Now some random survey that many never even saw is the only place they took feedback from or are willing to listen to? This is ****ing incredible, the amount of boneheaded stupidity and contempt on display from WG. The new year just started and they already managed to f it up. Its Wargaming. Always was, always is and always will be Working as Intended Interesting... IFHE is now -3% fire +25% pen... not +30% anymore... I guess RU forums, so enamored with battleboats imploded from the rage when they detected 152mm can dent hightier battleboats. That or they copy/pasted some old changelog and called it a day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SittingBull123 Beta Tester 176 posts Report post #98 Posted January 17, 2017 Jackson song : All I wanna say is that they dont really care about us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigLanowski Beta Tester 1,046 posts 8,508 battles Report post #99 Posted January 17, 2017 Good job WG, congratulations. Too bad I can't look into the surveys because I simply do not believe you. Was on the PTS, never encountered one of these "surveys" regarding RPF. But looks like Forum polls doesn't count as proper feedback to take into consideration. How many players voted no? 700? With what 90% against it? In the economy asking 1000 people about their opinion is considered a viable representation of a wide customer number. So basically WG is shitting on around 80-90% of their customers at least on the EU server. GG that's how it's done! 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_ramrus_ Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 618 posts 10,023 battles Report post #100 Posted January 17, 2017 << Nice ! >> Share this post Link to post Share on other sites