Hunt of Graff Spee and hursh winter. A plea to WG.

[Kancolle_Kongou]

you have hade almost a month for this, and you can finish the first 2 missions with in a day easy. then finish the last 2 on the next 2 days

 

i am not trying to be disrespectful for if you have had any of the problems you listed, but this is one of the easyest missions wg have given us for a premium ship that normaly costs 19 euros (compared to say campbeltown that is 8 euros and most people already had before the mission that gave them it)

[Hedgehog1963]

 

Are you just making stuff up now or what? Semi colon? What kind of sentence structure is that? It's a list, not prose or some haiku.

Two options. Either it's a run on sentence, which it obviously isn't due to the header "Things on your priority list:". Or it's a list and you capitalise the first letter in each row and put a full stop at the end.

In neither of those cases should you use semi colon.

 

I write legal briefs for a living.  Precise use of punctuation is required.  What I said is correct. The semi colon is often misunderstood.  It can be used...

 

To separate items in a list

Use the semi-colon to separate items in a list when one or more items contain a comma. (These examples use a colon to introduce items in the list. An explanation of the use of the colon is given below.)

The speakers were: Dr Sally Meadows, Biology; Dr Fred Eliot, Animal Welfare; Ms Gerri Taylor, Sociology; and Prof. Julie Briggs, Chemistry.

The four venues will be: Middleton Hall, Manchester; Highton House, Liverpool; Marsden Hall, Leeds; and the Ashton Centre, Sheffield.

The main points in favour of the system were that it would save time for buying, accounts and on-site staff;  it would be welcome by the reception staff; it would use fewer resources; and it would be compatible with earlier systems.

 

Source http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/ld/resources/writing/grammar/grammar-guides/semicolon 

What you would never do is what you suggested.

[Nechrom]

I write legal briefs for a living.  Precise use of punctuation is required.  What I said is correct. The semi colon is often misunderstood.  It can be used...

 

To separate items in a list

Use the semi-colon to separate items in a list when one or more items contain a comma. (These examples use a colon to introduce items in the list. An explanation of the use of the colon is given below.)

The speakers were: Dr Sally Meadows, Biology; Dr Fred Eliot, Animal Welfare; Ms Gerri Taylor, Sociology; and Prof. Julie Briggs, Chemistry.

The four venues will be: Middleton Hall, Manchester; Highton House, Liverpool; Marsden Hall, Leeds; and the Ashton Centre, Sheffield.

The main points in favour of the system were that it would save time for buying, accounts and on-site staff;  it would be welcome by the reception staff; it would use fewer resources; and it would be compatible with earlier systems.

 

Source http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/ld/resources/writing/grammar/grammar-guides/semicolon 

What you would never do is what you suggested.

 

Except none of that applies since there isn't a single comma anywhere in his entire post. 

Additionally all of the examples provided are complete sentences. He used the header: "Things on your priority list:" followed by isolated items, which is not an ongoing sentence. If he wrote "Things on your priority list should be:" or anything like that which bridges it to the rest of the list as a complete sentence, that would be a different story. Still wouldn't call for any semi colons.

[TheOneAndOnlyGoldstein]

Guys, why do you have to be such [edited]? You completely derailed the thread. Weather-wise, I experienced -17 degrees in Prague and left right after this cold weather subsided on the 9th. To put this in perspective, where I live in Denmark has barely seen -5, but overall weather was always in the positive.

 

Just tell OP "no, it can't be done" and move on.

[Nechrom]

Guys, why do you have to be such [edited]? You completely derailed the thread. Weather-wise, I experienced -17 degrees in Prague and left right after this cold weather subsided on the 9th. To put this in perspective, where I live in Denmark has barely seen -5, but overall weather was always in the positive.

 

Just tell OP "no, it can't be done" and move on.

 

Sorry Mr. Forum Police.

We'll just abandon our discussion and leave this otherwise useless topic empty so it doesn't bother you.

[Hedgehog1963]

 

Except none of that applies since there isn't a single comma anywhere in his entire post. 

Additionally all of the examples provided are complete sentences. He used the header: "Things on your priority list:" followed by isolated items, which is not an ongoing sentence. If he wrote "Things on your priority list should be:" or anything like that which bridges it to the rest of the list as a complete sentence, that would be a different story. Still wouldn't call for any semi colons.

 

No one is saying it is "a sentence."  A list it is.

[Nechrom]

 

No one is saying it is "a sentence."  A list it is.

 

Why are you trying to make it a sentence then? If it's not a sentence then capitalise the first letter on each row and end it with a full stop.

I understand that the word "list" applies to a string of items within a complete sentence as well, but I'm talking about the word processor definition of a list. Bullet list if you will.

[Nargoth73]

If you have a semi colon, does that mean you only have a bit of an arse?

[Nechrom]

If you have a semi colon, does that mean you only have a bit of an arse?

 

Maybe if you have a semi rectum perhaps. I think you'll find that the colon is actually not that close to your behind. 

 

This is a pedantic discussion. Don't come here with your vague jokes. 

[Prospect_b]

(Yes, I like grammar)

 

1. When discussing grammatical trivialities like a semicolon, please write it out correctly (semicolon or semi-colon).

 

2. The list shouldn't be separated with a semicolon, but with a comma and without capitals, and, indeed, with an "and" at the all but last phrase, because in essence it is one long sentence, i.e.:

 

fix bedroom heating,

sort out plumbing,

get a flue shot,

plead with an online game company to extend its 'complete by' date so I can get a pixel ship, and

practice spelling.

 

(Not a native speaker myself, so I prefer "shot" and "practice". That is just personal preference though.)

 

 

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See for example: http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/101406VerticalLists.htm

 

C. Punctuating and Capitalizing the Items in a List

Except when the items in a list are complete sentences (or when they contain complete sentences), treat a list as a single long sentence. Whether the list is vertical or contained within the running text of a sentence, the following guidelines apply:

1. Provide a relevant and clearly expressed lead-in clause or phrase. Remember that each of the items in the list must complete a meaningful, grammatically correct statement when read with that lead-in.
2. Begin the first word in each item with a lowercased letter.
3. Use appropriate punctuation after each item to separate them from one another in the series.
4. Use "and" (or, depending upon the logic of the list, "or") after the next-to-last item.
5. Use a period after the last item in the list.

How we punctuate and capitalize the items in a list depends upon whether they are individual words, phrases, or clauses and whether any of the items contain complete sentences:

 

• If the items in the list are single words or phrases with no internal punctuation, put a comma at the end of each item. Put "and" (or, if logic dictates, "or") after the next-to-last item in the list and a period after the last item. The items are not capitalized (except for proper nouns). See examples 1a, 1b, 1d, 2a, and 2f below.

   

• If the items in the list are phrases or clauses with punctuation in them, put a semicolon at the end of each item. Put "and" (or, if logic dictates, "or") after the next-to-last item in the list and a period after the last item. The items are not capitalized (except for proper nouns). See example 2b below.

   

• If the items in the list are complete sentences, put a period or a question mark at the end of each of them-and capitalize the first word-just as you would do with any sentence. Do not use "and" or "or" after the next-to-last item. See examples 1c and 2c below and our list of five guidelines under "C" above.

   

• If even one of the items in the list contains a complete sentence, put a period at the end of every item in the list-and capitalize the first word-just as you would do if they were all complete sentences. Neither "and" nor "or" is used after the next-to-last item. See examples 2d and 2e below.

[Hedgehog1963]

 

Why are you trying to make it a sentence then? If it's not a sentence then capitalise the first letter on each row and end it with a full stop.

I understand that the word "list" applies to a string of items within a complete sentence as well, but I'm talking about the word processor definition of a list. Bullet list if you will.

 

Your obsession with the sentence is hard to understand.  It doesn't become a sentence after I have properly punctuated it.  It remains an itemised list.

[Nechrom]

(Yes, I like grammar)

 

1. When discussing grammatical trivialities like a semicolon, please write it out correctly (semicolon or semi-colon).

 

2. The list shouldn't be separated with a semicolon, but with a comma and without capitals, and, indeed, with an "and" at the all but last phrase, because in essence it is one long sentence, i.e.:

 

fix bedroom heating,

sort out plumbing,

get a flue shot,

plead with an online game company to extend its 'complete by' date so I can get a pixel ship, and

practice spelling.

 

(Not a native speaker myself, so I prefer "shot" and "practice". That is just personal preference though.)

 

 

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See for example: http://www.getitwriteonline.com/archive/101406VerticalLists.htm

 

C. Punctuating and Capitalizing the Items in a List

Except when the items in a list are complete sentences (or when they contain complete sentences), treat a list as a single long sentence. Whether the list is vertical or contained within the running text of a sentence, the following guidelines apply:

1. Provide a relevant and clearly expressed lead-in clause or phrase. Remember that each of the items in the list must complete a meaningful, grammatically correct statement when read with that lead-in.
2. Begin the first word in each item with a lowercased letter.
3. Use appropriate punctuation after each item to separate them from one another in the series.
4. Use "and" (or, depending upon the logic of the list, "or") after the next-to-last item.
5. Use a period after the last item in the list.

How we punctuate and capitalize the items in a list depends upon whether they are individual words, phrases, or clauses and whether any of the items contain complete sentences:

 

• If the items in the list are single words or phrases with no internal punctuation, put a comma at the end of each item. Put "and" (or, if logic dictates, "or") after the next-to-last item in the list and a period after the last item. The items are not capitalized (except for proper nouns). See examples 1a, 1b, 1d, 2a, and 2f below.

   

• If the items in the list are phrases or clauses with punctuation in them, put a semicolon at the end of each item. Put "and" (or, if logic dictates, "or") after the next-to-last item in the list and a period after the last item. The items are not capitalized (except for proper nouns). See example 2b below.

   

• If the items in the list are complete sentences, put a period or a question mark at the end of each of them-and capitalize the first word-just as you would do with any sentence. Do not use "and" or "or" after the next-to-last item. See examples 1c and 2c below and our list of five guidelines under "C" above.

   

• If even one of the items in the list contains a complete sentence, put a period at the end of every item in the list-and capitalize the first word-just as you would do if they were all complete sentences. Neither "and" nor "or" is used after the next-to-last item. See examples 2d and 2e below.

 

This still supports my formatting.

 

Specifically take note of:

"1. Provide a relevant and clearly expressed lead-in clause or phrase. Remember that each of the items in the list must complete a meaningful, grammatically correct statement when read with that lead-in."

 

The post in question fails already at the first point.

 

 

Your obsession with the sentence is hard to understand.  It doesn't become a sentence after I have properly punctuated it.  It remains an itemised list.

 

No, it's actually very important if it's a complete sentence or not. If it's not, then you can't write the list as if it was (like you are).

Please refer to the above reference provided by PzychoPanzer.

 

[Hedgehog1963]

 

This still supports my formatting.

 

Specifically take note of:

"1. Provide a relevant and clearly expressed lead-in clause or phrase. Remember that each of the items in the list must complete a meaningful, grammatically correct statement when read with that lead-in."

 

The post in question fails already at the first point.

 

 

No, it's actually very important if it's a complete sentence or not. If it's not, then you can't write the list as if it was (like you are).

Please refer to the above reference provided by PzychoPanzer.

 

 

His is wrong.  Mine is correct.

[bushwacker001]

[Nechrom]

His is wrong.  Mine is correct.

 

Your what is correct? You haven't provided any sources for what you argue to be correct.

[Prospect_b]

Sure you are correct Hedgehog, above all:

 

1. You referred to a link that gives: This page does not seem to exist…

 

2. You quoted a rule you didn't even comply with yourself, because it does not apply here, i.e. the rule to use semi-colons to separate items in a list when one or more items contain a comma. 

 

3. That you fail to understand that sentence (that you quoted yourself) gives me doubt about trying to explain there isn't necessarily a strict difference between a list and a sentence.

 

[Exocet6951]

In this thread about the cold weather, I confirmed my opinion that the semi colon is the stupidest punctuation mark.

 

 

What an adventure!

[Hedgehog1963]

 

Your what is correct? You haven't provided any sources for what you argue to be correct.

 

Yes I did. http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/ld/resources/writing/grammar/grammar-guides/semicolon 

 

Edit... very strange. Ifound the University of Leicester guidance twice searching, but the URL when copied yields a dead end.

 

Oh well.

 

 

[Prospect_b]

In this thread about the cold weather, I confirmed my opinion that the  semicolon is the  most stupid punctuation mark.

 

 

What an adventure!

 

Nothing wrong with that opinion except the three spelling errors... 

[Nechrom]

 

Yes I did.

 

The only reference you gave wasn't equivalent to the post we're discussing, because those examples you provided are all complete sentences. They comply completely with the reference PzychoPanzer provided, yet they don't apply in this instance for the same reason, which is that for those rules to apply it all needs to be a grammatically correct sentence, which the post in question is not.

[Prospect_b]

 

Yes I did. http://www2.le.ac.uk/offices/ld/resources/writing/grammar/grammar-guides/semicolon 

 

Edit... very strange. Ifound the University of Leicester guidance twice searching, but the URL when copied yields a dead end.

 

Oh well.

 

 

 

Very nice that you can give a source. Now can you please explain how what is mentioned on that location validates your point? Because it doesn't, see previous post.

[Hedgehog1963]

 

 

The only reference you gave wasn't equivalent to the post we're discussing, because those examples you provided are all complete sentences. They comply completely with the reference PzychoPanzer provided, yet they doesn't apply in this instance for the same reason, which is that for those rules to apply it all needs to be a grammatically correct sentence, which the post in question is not.

 

Neither of us think the original post was correct.

[Prospect_b]

 

 

Neither of us think the original post was correct.

 

True, but the OP didn't insist his was correct. You do. So please, once again, explain why the link you provided validates your claim.

[Exocet6951]

 

Nothing wrong with that opinion except the three spelling errors... 

 

One typo, "semicolon" doesn't even have one definitive spelling, and "stupidest" has no grammatical reason not to exist.

 

If you're going to be pendantic, I might as well just point out that ellipses have spaces between each perdiod, like so: " . . . "

 

[Hedgehog1963]

 

True, but the OP didn't insist his was correct. You do. So please, once again, explain why the link you provided validates your claim.

 

It was a list, that should have used commas at the very least hence the superiority of the semi-colon in that case.  Certainly full stops were wrong.