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Just like every day, I queue Randoms, to farm some xp with my prems to convert them and research different lines. Today was no different.

 

So, first fight with my Amagi, pulled three enemy BBs to follow me, so I can give my team an edge in numbers, of course they were roflstomped by the enemy (that was 2 BBs down, mind you), and lo and behold, I am suddenly a r**ard for going so away, I try politely explaining that I did about 90k of fire damage to the ships following me (they were angled!), and clearly making an opening for them. I was told I was reported.

 

Hm okay, first time's the charm, eh?

 

Second battle, I'm in my Tirpitz, see an opening on C, squeese in, got jumped on by a DD and a CA, I expected it to have enemy ships in it since it as red. After some semi-fail torpedo beat, I'm down to half hp thanks to poi's in the water from enemy DD, I sunk him with my he salvo plus secondaries (I was that close, he was making a turn for another torp). Then turn the ship about, the USN CA have me on heavy fires by now, he was spamming he all this time, I launch torps from close range, all hit, two kills made. Tried helping a buddy about 15 clicks away, placed a well salvo, though only 1 shell hit, but the friendly finished the enemy non theless. Halfaway to capturing the said point, another DD points out, putting me on fire - while sending torps in the water, I'm turning away since I'm about 1/3 health by now, dodge his first salvo of 4 or 5 torps but another one, very well placed, hit me regardless, with two torps and the enemy BB finshes me with a very good salvo from about 12 clicks away, we were again roflstomped and enemy breached both sides. Again, "idiot died at C" and another "yolo idiot", I end up second only to an friendly Amagi that sank 3 enemy ships and probably did more damage then I. We of course lost again, and everybody that moaned was coincidentally lower then me.

 

Next match, I'm taking Scharnhorst, defended B point two times, heavily damaged enemy Gneisenau, Scharnhorst and almost killed Bayern (doing 110ish k of damage, but not getting any kills), but succumbed to the unified enemy artillery fire (more then 6 ships) trying to defend my CV (they didn't cap B, I drove everyone away)... only to be called an idiot and a bad player ("what did you do, just yoloed close?" - yeah, Mr buddy, Scharnie does the most damage and worth by being close - funny as he was at his max range all the game instead) by a friendly in a Buddy (stock too, probably the free Buddy from Convoy) that escaped to the other side of the map, hiding around islands and doing absolutely nothing the whole match until he was killed, except whining and moaning how bad the team was. 

 

Okay, clearly I'm doing something wrong trying to play for the team. Change of tactics.

 

Dunkerque out, start of the match, going all the way to the side. Open up to an enemy rus DD, see him from miles away, two salvos of HE and RNGjesus smiled upon me, DD sank, recieved very little damage in return (three he salvos, no fire), made a circle caught Nurnberg hiding behing an island, two citadels in first salvo, another one in second and third salvo only single shell he's down. Still almost at full hp. Enemy BB firing from semi-long range and keeps on being accurate for several salvos, since he (Shcarnhorst) is angled, switching to He to put him on fire while I'm weesling around trying to find a seal to club. Found a Kirov on half hp, full AP salvo from 11 km didn't miss, a citadel and bye Kirov. Third's a charm, HP down to half, spot a Konigsberg dodging shells, of full salvo only single shell hits, he's down to very little hp - by this time I'm on enemy side, bow tanking most of the shots. Koni gots deleted by a friendly BB from across, and I turn my fire on the Scharnhorst, that gets dangerously close. I took some hp of him while he started shooting my superstructure with AP and doing some good damage, regardless I was bow on, he eventually tries to get to broadside, knowing he has much better armor, torps and better broadside power then I. I'm on fire from he shells from two enemy cruisers and down on 1/4 hp... I'm not going to survive the close encounter with the Scharnhorst... Le Ram speed!

 

Nothing more to do, luckily got single torp on bow from Scharnie's salvo, and down to less then 2k hp, but ram him, recieve a second medal for ramming him and my fourth kill. Was hoping for a Kraken but not going today. All preppy smiled and happy for my performance, still the highest kill count in the team.

 

And what do I get? "omg really bad player what were you doing there, you just died like a bit*h you should play coop Seraphine you're really bad". I calmly explain "I did four kills, 130ish k damage and gave the enemy to dissaray in their lines, so our units can focus fire them" which we did, and we were winning thanks to that, "noob" is the only thing I get back.

 

:amazed:

 

What exactly was I supposed to do, throw a camping picnic at the end of the map, and snipe with my brilliant ultra-super-mega accurate long range gunnery?

 

There's a heavy influx of loud mouthed players which are first to accuse the whole team of sucking just because they did no damage, or died unneccesary. In all of these matches - perhaps I could have done better, perhaps a better player would do twice as good as I - but I was in top 4 any of these matches. I wasn't terrible. I'd say sorry on the team for my performance if I was.

 

The ingame community is just turning so whiny, and toxic it starts to remind me of WoT. This is really not good. :(

 

Last but not least, the last match got me my first chat ban-ana. For calmly pointing out I did 4 kills and did okay damage. I guess that's offensive to some people.

 

 

What are some of yours not-so-pretty experiences lately in the Randoms?

 

 

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Seems a lot of DDs like to try and torp  mee at the start then say it was accidental 

 

Friendlies? I got torp'ed twice by a friendly DD so far but was lucky to dodge all of them. What's up with that anyway. Is WoT community slowly migrating to WoWs?

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I've had it too recently, this night. Sometimes if i use a premium, especially Belfast, people just insta-rage.

 

Or if I am high tier some people expect you to teleport around map. Some guy was pure rage at me because we won and i did good damage in Montana, just bizarre. I try to be polite rather than inflammatory and it seems to throw them a bit. Another guy was really rude because I pushed a cap in a Friedrich de Grosse, presumedly not realising I had hydro (he has very few games played)

 

There seems to be more players now, which is good, especially hitting the higher tiers - oh well, gotta adapt, in all ways

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Being in top 4 means nothing if you didn't do that one thing you could do which would have won the game ( tldr your examples ).

 

There been times I called people idiots and they got more XP then me, doesn't mean they were not doing it wrong. Easiest example is a camping sniping BB which lasts throughout the whole match and does decent damage, finishes off some low hp enemies at the end as well, but loses the game due to enemy having 3 caps for most of the match because he didn't support / tank for his team. 

 

Sometimes I come top and I know I played terrible. XP list doesn't mean you did the right tactical thing :)

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I think a lot of people are playing more than usual at present because of the Santa's Convoys missions, and meaning the usual weekend standard of play is spread throughout the week (and feels worse too)

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Being in top 4 means nothing if you didn't do that one thing you could do which would have won the game ( tldr your examples ).

 

There been times I called people idiots and they got more XP then me, doesn't mean they were not doing it wrong. Easiest example is a camping sniping BB which lasts throughout the whole match and does decent damage, finishes off some low hp enemies at the end as well, but loses the game due to enemy having 3 caps for most of the match because he didn't support / tank for his team. 

 

Sometimes I come top and I know I played terrible. XP list doesn't mean you did the right tactical thing :)

 

Your example stands in a case I didn't do anything correct, clearly in first three games I tried playing for the team, and they were losses. Most of other players did less for the team as well. If I was called out, okay, but so should have been called out other players, who did absolutely nothing. I at least tried. They were so huge defeats that absolutely no one did "that right thing". It makes no sense to single out a player that was at least trying, and according to xps, did atleast something, while most of others did nothing, don't ya think?

 

Also, what's the point of calling someone an idiot for not doing something right, if you're not doing it right in the first place (on a global example, not you like yourself). I still think it's just a very lout mouthed toxic part of the community which is gaining numbers in WoWs. I think they were saying those things just to abuse in chat, I don't think they understand the whole tactical nuances as nearly as you do, and hence I don't think they even understood what was a good and right thing to do at a given time.

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I think a lot of people are playing more than usual at present because of the Santa's Convoys missions, and meaning the usual weekend standard of play is spread throughout the week (and feels worse too)

 

This reflects my feelings as well, I'd usually skip weekends because of that reason alone. Makes no sense to skip the weekdays now too. 

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I must say not more than usual. Most battles have a friendly atmosphere. Sometimes in the heat of a fight 1 or 2 "strong verbs" "escapes" the fingertips. Rarely the whining acid ranting BS-ers. I just report them, when necessary block them and just move on.

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Your example stands in a case I didn't do anything correct, clearly in first three games I tried playing for the team, and they were losses. Most of other players did less for the team as well. If I was called out, okay, but so should have been called out other players, who did absolutely nothing. I at least tried. They were so huge defeats that absolutely no one did "that right thing". It makes no sense to single out a player that was at least trying, and according to xps, did atleast something, while most of others did nothing, don't ya think?

 

Also, what's the point of calling someone an idiot for not doing something right, if you're not doing it right in the first place (on a global example, not you like yourself). I still think it's just a very lout mouthed toxic part of the community which is gaining numbers in WoWs. I think they were saying those things just to abuse in chat, I don't think they understand the whole tactical nuances as nearly as you do, and hence I don't think they even understood what was a good and right thing to do at a given time.

 

I only called someone that after he ignored advice which would have won us the game, if he had not been given advice he had the excuse of ignorance. Also as I said I didn't read the example matches so I wasn't addressing your gameplay in those matches, just the comment that since you got more XP you played well. 

 

Maybe I should rephrase, you DID play well, as generally XP doesn't fall off trees :honoring: But in general, I can get a nice XP boost by getting a cap or two at the start of the game and then the rest of it do things which would cause my team to loose ( laying a bad smoke screen which removes vision on enemy team when my team is spotted by planes... yeah, been there done that :hiding: ) that's what I was trying to say. Don't use the XP list as a stand alone indicator ( well getting >2k base xp on a loss with the next guy getting <1k then it would be hard pressed to not call it a good game ). 

 

Anyway, there are more bad players, and more players which just make mistakes. In any MMO you got people who always ' know better ' and sadly this is a WG game so it's been going downhill ever since CBT. Chat was actually pleasant then mostly. And even now, I might be salty at times but if I get a good interaction with someone in game that immediately brings a smile on my face. Couple of games back allied Chappy, me in Sims, I tell him to follow me so I can smoke him around the island so we could contest cap, he first didn't react and I lied down a perfect smoke screen for him anyway. Once he saw my smoke screen he eventually came and he did very well finishing off a DD and a Fiji iirc.. and yes, when he didn't react I did use a term which isn't complimentary. But after that one smoke I kept telling him my smoke reload counter and we worked quite well together for awhile and it really did feel good. The star of the match was a Fletcher in my team which got kraken though, I got I think one kill but I came second on that ' not so telling ' xp list and I had only one kill ( but Sims has insane XP modifier :trollface: ). 

 

Chat is in interactive medium. If the gameplay is bad, chat is also bad, it's only natural. Chat isn't there just to sit in a circle and sing ' kumbaya my friend kumbaya ' :) And when gameplay is good, chat follows suit ( well except the enemies, but hey insults from an enemy are like compliments right :coin: 

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The common theme in each match is that it sounds like you were trying to be a solo warrior and unless you pull off a massive carry this rarely looks good to the rest of your team.

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The common theme in each match is that it sounds like you were trying to be a solo warrior and unless you pull off a massive carry this rarely looks good to the rest of your team.

 

Nah, I like short range on german BBs they're far best at or slightly under 10 clicks, their troll accuracy punishes you hard on long range and it's closer ranges where their secondary batteries shine (and my KM BBs are all set up for secondary), I simply used the ships at ranges they're most efficient at, Amagi is very comfortable on medium range (~13 clicks) and so is Dunkerque, and that's how I play those two. I don't like sniping, the only time when I'll gain distance more then 16 km from enemy is when I'm on low hp and running to allied space, shooting he on their bows and generally trying to survive to fight later in the match.

 

I guess it looks better to them team when a player's sniping from afar and finishing the battle in last few places. :sceptic:

 

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Anyway, there are more bad players, and more players which just make mistakes. In any MMO you got people who always ' know better ' and sadly this is a WG game so it's been going downhill ever since CBT. Chat was actually pleasant then mostly. And even now, I might be salty at times but if I get a good interaction with someone in game that immediately brings a smile on my face. Couple of games back allied Chappy, me in Sims, I tell him to follow me so I can smoke him around the island so we could contest cap, he first didn't react and I lied down a perfect smoke screen for him anyway. Once he saw my smoke screen he eventually came and he did very well finishing off a DD and a Fiji iirc.. and yes, when he didn't react I did use a term which isn't complimentary. But after that one smoke I kept telling him my smoke reload counter and we worked quite well together for awhile and it really did feel good. The star of the match was a Fletcher in my team which got kraken though, I got I think one kill but I came second on that ' not so telling ' xp list and I had only one kill ( but Sims has insane XP modifier :trollface: ). 

 

Chat is in interactive medium. If the gameplay is bad, chat is also bad, it's only natural. Chat isn't there just to sit in a circle and sing ' kumbaya my friend kumbaya ' :) And when gameplay is good, chat follows suit ( well except the enemies, but hey insults from an enemy are like compliments right :coin: 

 

Agreed, I guess it's just my percieved number of those "always know best" currently in game on the rise. No matter how good you play, you always did something wrong according to them.

 

We had an "ooom" zen mantra the other day, the enemy side went crazy as we would just spam "ooooooom", they got nervous enough to turn too aggressive and it was a decisive victory for us. :)

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Nah, I like short range on german BBs they're far best at or slightly under 10 clicks, their troll accuracy punishes you hard on long range and it's closer ranges where their secondary batteries shine (and my KM BBs are all set up for secondary), I simply used the ships at ranges they're most efficient at, Amagi is very comfortable on medium range (~13 clicks) and so is Dunkerque, and that's how I play those two. I don't like sniping, the only time when I'll gain distance more then 16 km from enemy is when I'm on low hp and running to allied space, shooting he on their bows and generally trying to survive to fight later in the match.

 

I guess it looks better to them team when a player's sniping from afar and finishing the battle in last few places. :sceptic:

 

 

We all like getting up close and personal with our German battleships but that doesn't mean you should rush to do so at the expense of your team (something I'm still learning in the Bismarck).

 

You may well have done everything you could have done in these matches, we can't really judge, but your descriptions do come across as you doing your own thing irregardless of what your team was doing but this may just be because you haven't given an overview of what the rest of the team was doing at the time.

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Agreed, I guess it's just my percieved number of those "always know best" currently in game on the rise. No matter how good you play, you always did something wrong according to them.

 

The actual ' knows best ' count is actually pretty steady, but the Dunning-Kruger effect is strong in this community :popcorn:

 

We had an "ooom" zen mantra the other day, the enemy side went crazy as we would just spam "ooooooom", they got nervous enough to turn too aggressive and it was a decisive victory for us. :)

 

Jedi minds tricks :great:

 

I guess it looks better to them team when a player's sniping from afar and finishing the battle in last few places. :sceptic:

 

If that is what they are used to doing themselves, then Dunning-Kruger tells us that is the correct way to play. This is btw why I get the most salty, people with no map knowledge, no tactical insight in game mode's, and they don't listen to people with more experience. 

 

I was exactly like them, I was an utter scrub, I knew nothing. But I learned from listening to people who were better, by following leads and by supporting those good players. That is how you learn / improve. But current influx, and also some of the ' old guard ' which didn't give a damn about their performance and just wanted to see their guns go ' boom ', just don't listen :sceptic:

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We all like getting up close and personal with our German battleships but that doesn't mean you should rush to do so at the expense of your team (something I'm still learning in the Bismarck).

 

You may well have done everything you could have done in these matches, we can't really judge, but your descriptions do come across as you doing your own thing irregardless of what your team was doing but this may just be because you haven't given an overview of what the rest of the team was doing at the time.

 

That's just it, I have said I could've done better, that's not the point (can always do better), point was the others weren't doing absolutely anything for the team but trade in shells with the enemy. And even then I simply gave my best and that was that, didn't tell them how bad most of them played (BB sniping, cruisers hiding behind islands not shooting, DDs died in the first few mins), but they handed down unnecessarily bad words to me. Ok to be fair, it wasn't only me, in fact bad words were passed around, I'm just flabbergasted at the ammount of the players passing those words.

 

Ever since I'm playing this game, I've been playing like I do. I always like to push in a BB and openly ask for a cruiser escort, or a DD spotting (though I very rarely get it). I always go for a cap point, irregardless, to me doing the tactics matter more then pure damage or kills. I haven't really changed my playstyle, it's just ever since New Year, things have been getting worse and worse. It is as if the new players intentionally want to just start the match and hide somewhere and loose and they're fine with that, as if the people that are trying are idiots, uselessly dying for a team.

 

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Your example stands in a case I didn't do anything correct, clearly in first three games I tried playing for the team, and they were losses. Most of other players did less for the team as well. If I was called out, okay, but so should have been called out other players, who did absolutely nothing. I at least tried.

 

It's always the players that stay alive and contribute that get flamed, the armchair admirals seem to forget about the players that yolo and die in the first 5 minutes.

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Yes I feel it too, I was accused for camping of another player after I he died as I was alone in lower right corner of the estuary map. That I have killed the two enemy ships that was in this area and I have defended this right flank myself escaped his notice. So when I responded Camping? No Killing Fuso and Hatsu, he quitted I assume.


 

There is the danger of seeing other ships in the map when you are dead. You may not have followed that ship the latest minutes when you have fought yourself.


 

One other thing: Many ignores the difference in actual conning and gunning with the ship with tactical/strategic prowess. Often in threads you see but hes got only 48 % WR so he knows nothing or you have only 35.0000 Dmg in Bis vs serveraverage 50000 or the elite player which this lowly creature adresses 65000.


 

Two aspects of this: I am 49 with 55% so I belong to neither category but I have played a lot. My age are a disadvantage in eye/hand coordination etc. in these kind of games. That may make you worse in aiming etc that a younger player.

But that does not mean that you understand the game less or does not understand tactics.


 

There are many fantastic football coaches over the World. But they have not all been fantastic players, but they know tactics and can coach other players.

So in game discussions I advice everyone to not ignore posts or chat advice only because they are from a player with stats that are inferior per se. They might know how to play but are less able to execute it.

This assuming they have reasonable many games under their belt of course. (I will not say that I am fantastic in tactics/strat but I am decent and will try to win)


 


 

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It's always the players that stay alive and contribute that get flamed, the armchair admirals seem to forget about the players that yolo and die in the first 5 minutes.

 

Nothing to be done about someone who sunk 10 minutes ago. Only the survivors can make a difference if it's going badly.

If the guys who are left at the end do their best, even if it's not enough, I will give credit and point out at what point we lost and why.

 

I like to vent but I also try to stay on topic and refrain from non-game related insults.

Possibly why I haven't gotten a chat ban yet. Knock on wood.

 

In a few rare instances I've managed to turn a bleak situation into a victory through chat "motivation". That's of course after laying actual carry groundwork down before sinking.

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Yes I feel it too, I was accused for camping of another player after I he died as I was alone in lower right corner of the estuary map. That I have killed the two enemy ships that was in this area and I have defended this right flank myself escaped his notice. So when I responded Camping? No Killing Fuso and Hatsu, he quitted I assume.

 

 

There is the danger of seeing other ships in the map when you are dead. You may not have followed that ship the latest minutes when you have fought yourself.

 

 

One other thing: Many ignores the difference in actual conning and gunning with the ship with tactical/strategic prowess. Often in threads you see but hes got only 48 % WR so he knows nothing or you have only 35.0000 Dmg in Bis vs serveraverage 50000 or the elite player which this lowly creature adresses 65000.

 

 

Two aspects of this: I am 49 with 55% so I belong to neither category but I have played a lot. My age are a disadvantage in eye/hand coordination etc. in these kind of games. That may make you worse in aiming etc that a younger player.

But that does not mean that you understand the game less or does not understand tactics.

 

 

There are many fantastic football coaches over the World. But they have not all been fantastic players, but they know tactics and can coach other players.

So in game discussions I advice everyone to not ignore posts or chat advice only because they are from a player with stats that are inferior per se. They might know how to play but are less able to execute it.

This assuming they have reasonable many games under their belt of course. (I will not say that I am fantastic in tactics/strat but I am decent and will try to win)

 

 

 

 

 

There's more then one issue here.

The biggest issue is I think people just have no idea how to team play, so even when someone tries to play decent, he's jumped upon and abused in chat. The other aspect is, when you're trying to play for the team, as you saw yourself, rarely will you get a friendly to help. Each class benefits heavily of having support from another. Seeing RPF's not taken off by WG (something that is beyond the scope of this thread), it's becoming even more imperative by DDs to work with cruisers now, since they won't be able to invisiattack anyone but the laziest BBs now. When you ask for help and not get it, the only thing you can do is trade in lazily shells with the enemy or do something for the team yourself. Sadly, many times, you'll get attacked you "solo warriored" or "yoloed" even when you pull it off, or mostly pull it off, against overwhelming odds .

 

Another aspect, which you brought to convo, is indeed, the dead in the match can see, more objectively then when they were ship-piloting, the whole battle laid before them. It's easy for them to see how the tactics can benefit the players still in battle. Most of them, sadly, use it to abuse others, how they're stupid for doing this or that. They should have, instead, help the team.

 

W/r for me isn't a boasting achievement, but a simple tool to measure your own skill through time. My highest was 57%, currently it's about 52%. Then, I never team up with a real life friend, I don't have a guild, and the only PvP content I do is randoms. I never dismiss someone's opinion based on his or her w/r. But then, it works both ways, I never think someone's necessarily right just because he or she is unicorn player. 

 

I am personally saddened at the current disregard to older population, though, I've seen older people, specially veterans with disabilities, and ilnesses, slanted of bad play, and pushed to play CoOp. I know this wasn't your primary point, but I had to add this since it's also something negative about this community.

 

It's easy dealing with people that will listen - or the ones that can calmly explain. Shouting and derrating, as more and more happens, someone isn't the way to get their attention, just the way to make themselves feel bad. I don't think that's good for the community. This goes for both new players and experienced people.

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Havnt noticed anything out of the ordinary lately. Every 4-5 matches has some assholes. They will usually spew inflammatory BS once they realize they are losing, and anyone who dares to oppose their sermon (even politely) are automatically regarded as demonspawns and heathens that warrant a special act of exorcism. 

 

Point is, ignore the idiots and get on with life, since nothing you can say will change their minds. They are usually bad players and when I imagine how they are probably on a 10 game losing streak, it just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside!

 

As to your play - when the team splits at the start, usually one side will be outnumbered and play defensive, one will outnumber the enemy and push. Being on their flank and on the defensive like you were most of those games can be incredibly annoying to the enemy team, but you made the mistanke of depending on your team to play smart and not make mistakes.

 

I found usually it is better to be with the team and get the campers off their collective asses by pushing myself, provided my ship is suitable for this (scharnhorst, Tirpitz, most BBs) and politely request they push with me before I go.

Sometimes campers will camp no matter what, and in that case you might simply Alt+F4 back to port. We all have those games. But most of the time you can secure a cap, get defensive smokes from DDs and in return secure the cap for them to capture.

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Havnt noticed anything out of the ordinary lately. Every 4-5 matches has some assholes. They will usually spew inflammatory BS once they realize they are losing, and anyone who dares to oppose their sermon (even politely) are automatically regarded as demonspawns and heathens that warrant a special act of exorcism. 

 

Point is, ignore the idiots and get on with life, since nothing you can say will change their minds. They are usually bad players and when I imagine how they are probably on a 10 game losing streak, it just gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside!

 

As to your play - when the team splits at the start, usually one side will be outnumbered and play defensive, one will outnumber the enemy and push. Being on their flank and on the defensive like you were most of those games can be incredibly annoying to the enemy team, but you made the mistanke of depending on your team to play smart and not make mistakes.

 

I found usually it is better to be with the team and get the campers off their collective asses by pushing myself, provided my ship is suitable for this (scharnhorst, Tirpitz, most BBs) and politely request they push with me before I go.

Sometimes campers will camp no matter what, and in that case you might simply Alt+F4 back to port. We all have those games. But most of the time you can secure a cap, get defensive smokes from DDs and in return secure the cap for them to capture.

 

Good advices there, thanks for the input. I guess I'm just unlucky to get them (as you politely put, a**holes) every match now. :angry:

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Well most of the time you have to dodge a sh1t tone of torpedoes if you are going to push.

 

And after you did that, there will be the enemy torpedoes.

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I think a lot of people are playing more than usual at present because of the Santa's Convoys missions, and meaning the usual weekend standard of play is spread throughout the week (and feels worse too)

 

3 x 45% WR BB players, a Lexington with a 37% WR in that ship and a pink Shchors that is AFK for the whole game in one match.

 

I can't take any more of this! 

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