[OP-B] JOVA1982 Players 128 posts 21,397 battles Report post #126 Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) Well I was up to Tashkent before the split, and I had bought every ship from Gnevny onwards My experiences so far. -Podvoisky. Not tried yet -Gnevny. Seems reasonable, Not as good as the Kiev was, but not bad. But I have only 2 point captain in it. -Minsk. Not enough captain talents to make my final decision. (1 point captain) but this ship feels very strong. -Ognevoi, Feels good but I have only stock ship, and only 8 point captain, Possibly with good captain and some upgrades it will be a good ship. Torpedos are painfully slow. but you can live with that. -Kiev. This ship is godly, I just love it (14 point captain, Fully upgraded ship) -Tashkent. Only 9 point captain, and full stock ship, this ship feels stronger than it was on T8, When I get couple more talents, I think it will be quite strong. Edited March 9, 2017 by JOVA1982 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #127 Posted March 8, 2017 I sold all the gifted RU DD under T8, they all look like bad versions of the Lenin... I can see Lenin sales increasing now as kids will want a well fitting RU captain trainer... Trashkan looks interesting with her ultra long range guns, really is a mini cruiser now complete with heal but I've put my decent captain into my Udaloi as that ship is awesome. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #128 Posted March 8, 2017 (edited) So someone convince me why Grozovoi is good, and AA is not so important when CV are endangered species like rhinos in Africa :p It is not a good Gunboat , no range , no DPM both stats much worse than Udaloy It is not torpedo boat , yes torps are best in Russian tree but are far inferior to other nations It is less agile than awesome Udaloy So what this ship can do ? Why bother to "downgrade" Udaloy Queue with carier? But why not Gearing, it can shoot some planes, cap zones, torp BB fight other DD . Grozovoi can shoot planes and other stuff ..... not so much Edited March 8, 2017 by KaraMon 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YEET] _KEANO_ Players 55 posts 18,887 battles Report post #129 Posted March 8, 2017 First impressions ... Trash Can maybe isnt so bad.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #130 Posted March 8, 2017 So someone convince me why Grozovoi is good, and AA is not so important when CV are endangered species like rhinos in Africa :p Tinfoil hat time It is there to make ships like the Z52 look good and dispel the ideas of RU bias. Might be used to justify more RU DD buffs in the future. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #131 Posted March 8, 2017 But z 52 is straightforward upgrade fro9m z46 . Yes it is not worth to go from z46 to z52 as the upgrade is minimal but it is upgrade . And here we get , i really don't know what we get Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UKKO] Ruuti_ Players 34 posts 23,736 battles Report post #132 Posted March 8, 2017 My brief comments and opinions about the changed RU DD line. V-VII: Podvoisky, Gnevny and Minsk. These three feel like variations of the same ship, and Gnevny is in my opinion best of the bunch. While Gnevny is an improvement (better concealment, better range) over Podvoisky, Minsk feels almost like a downgrade in comparison. If it was up to me, I would have given Minsk longer range torpedoes and comparable concealment to Gnevny. As it is now, Minsk is rather lackluster ship that doesn't offer anything new or interesting over its predecessors. VIII: Kiev and Ognevoi. Kiev was already a good ship, but now it has torpedoes that do not require one to sail into "suicide range" in order to use them. With Concealment Expert it is even possible to stealth torp with Kiev. However, the award of a ship that benefitted most of the line change goes in my opinion to Ognevoi. Instead of the usual RU DD torpedoes that require one to sail next to an enemy vessel, knock on a hatch, and ask "if comrade would like some torpedoes", Ognevoi now has luxurious (by RU standards) 10km range torpedoes. Her torpedoes are slow, yes, but I find them less situational than 4km ones. Ognevoi has only four guns in two turrets, but the new guns are excellent with good range, good shell arcs, and good turret rotation. Ognevoi's concealment is also among the best the RU DDs can offer; only tier II-IV DDs have better. IX: Udaloi and Tashkent. Not much to be said about these two. Udaloi was a good ship before branching and remains so. Nothing new there. Tashkent has been/is much vilified DD, and while not as good as Udaloi, it is in my opinion better that its reputation. X: Grozovoi. This ship is in my opinion a massive disappointment. Anti-Aircraft fire is about the only thing Grozovoi shines in, and even that was nerfed before release. Outside the very situational AA role, there is almost nothing that would compel one to play with it. I have only few games under my belt with Grozovoi and not a single one of them has had aircraft carriers. As it is now, I would advice to save your efforts and credits and get some other ship - you'll do better and have more fun. Grozovoi reminds me somewhat of disappointing KM DDs - just like them, Grozovoi is mediocre and not very fun to play with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BK_SP] Dams_77 Players 57 posts 13,847 battles Report post #133 Posted March 8, 2017 Cool, thanks for your feedbacks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneraIKrizmuz Players 435 posts 19 battles Report post #134 Posted March 8, 2017 So someone convince me why Grozovoi is good, and AA is not so important when CV are endangered species like rhinos in Africa :p It is not a good Gunboat , no range , no DPM both stats much worse than Udaloy It is not torpedo boat , yes torps are best in Russian tree but are far inferior to other nations It is less agile than awesome Udaloy So what this ship can do ? Why bother to "downgrade" Udaloy Queue with carier? But why not Gearing, it can shoot some planes, cap zones, torp BB fight other DD . Grozovoi can shoot planes and other stuff ..... not so much The only reason for the Grozovoi to exist is that russians can get Hybrid DD gameplay without grinding imperialist american ships. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #135 Posted March 9, 2017 The only reason for the Grozovoi to exist is that russians can get Hybrid DD gameplay without grinding imperialist american ships. If you want Hybrid gameplay, the old Udaloy offered that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #136 Posted March 9, 2017 If you want Hybrid gameplay, the old Udaloy offered that. Well, according to Flamu even Khaba is a better "hybrid" than Grozo, so... Anyway, I bet she'll get buffed. I doubt WG will allow a Russian ship to underperform due to risk of getting sent to gulag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #137 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) told you Edited March 9, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WHO] DoMiNoEZ Players 19 posts 21,208 battles Report post #138 Posted March 9, 2017 I can confirm the Grozo is the worst ship I have ever played on this game. I have over 5000 games in destroyers. I can understand why they didn't put it on the test server. I tend to enjoy a lot of destroyers that other people hate. I love the German ones despite the gun bloom but after four games in the Grozo it can rust. What a complete let down. On the bright side the Kiev is glorious. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tekay85 ∞ Beta Tester 1,817 posts 11,852 battles Report post #139 Posted March 9, 2017 Grozo is just a bad joke, nothing more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] Robber_Baron Players 1,322 posts 7,981 battles Report post #140 Posted March 11, 2017 Has anybody tried Tashkent or Khabarovsk with the Repair Party instead of the Weed Generator? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #141 Posted March 11, 2017 I did, Tashkent ( also using speed boost modification for 3m speedboost ). Didn't feel as useful, even if you don't sit in smoke much with VMF DD's you still want that 'get our of jail' card for when you need it, or when you want to smoke up an ally which is getting focused 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #142 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) I love my kebab with repair party, for smoke plays i have Udaloy :p Stock Khaba can repair around 12k HP WIth Hp perk it is around 14k With perk and flag you get close to 17 k As i calculated in perfect conditions you can get 42k hp to play with And it is good repair , when i use all 4 repairs i am always in the range 36k-41 k effective HP in battle You just give up all "DD" traits on Kebab and play it 100% like a cruiser , very fast agile but always remember you are a cruiser now , no more smoke to save your [edited]when you make mistake This is good picture of repair party effectiveness. I was affraid that when you get AP damage it will suffer and you wont be able to repair to full potential. But as you can see i took 30 k AP damage and ended up using all 4 repairs and around 200 HP left so total effective HP was 41 100 , base Kebab HP is 22k :p :edit: Oh just now i noticed 3.2 milion potential damage that was epicenter and i was fighting right in the middle Edited March 11, 2017 by KaraMon 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #143 Posted March 12, 2017 Has anybody tried Tashkent or Khabarovsk with the Repair Party instead of the Weed Generator? Trashkan isn't bad actually, the one you get gifted with full upgrades. I stuck the Udaloi captain back where he should be and put +1 point into the free captain to get AFT. Playing as a 14km+ mini super sniper cruiser is pretty amusing. No one can hit you and you just skate around peppering everyone with HE, probably a run up to what the Khab is like. Repair party for extra lols, why would you need to stop for smoke? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] Robber_Baron Players 1,322 posts 7,981 battles Report post #144 Posted March 12, 2017 I tried a few battles with it. First I was too agressive, probably because I'm a US DD main, and then the lack of smoke can be a pain in the bottom. Perhaps I need more practice with Russian DDs. No high damage numbers so far though, do you guys think IFHE is good on a Russian DD or better pick other skills? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #145 Posted March 12, 2017 No IFHE , get demo expert , you are one of the best firestarter in the game . Khaba probably can easly compete with Zao in terms of being flamethrower Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #146 Posted March 12, 2017 You probably don't even need CE, just get AFT and get lower level skills Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #147 Posted March 12, 2017 If you want run with repair party get HP boost as it increase effectivness of the repair and superintendent for 1 more repair . Third skill best is demo expert for more fires . Only 4 point skill that is needed is Adv firing training Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thracen Players 525 posts 8,871 battles Report post #148 Posted March 12, 2017 So have we all agreed the ognevoi is rubbish? The torps at the worst dd torps at teir 8, the detection is good but I'd never want to get that close to a dd anyways since they can all outgun you at that range? I'm putting question marks in because I'm simply not sure if she is as bad as I think or if I'm just missing something. Can anyone englighten me on her? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OP-B] JOVA1982 Players 128 posts 21,397 battles Report post #149 Posted March 12, 2017 As I'm running with stock Ognevoi and 9 point captain I cant say it's "Bad" How ever as far as my experience goes it's not "Good" either. It has it's moments, But one thing I could think it has is relatively high skill cap, I have had 1 really good game with it so far, and all other games below average. Cant really say anything about it before I get couple more captain talents, and the boat fully upgraded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #150 Posted March 13, 2017 Trashkan gets better the more you play her. I don't actually think I've been sunk in her yet. As I stay at arms length, firing and dodging constantly. Problem is when you get closer you're easier to hit and if you haven't taken smoke you have no easy way out. Can casually get BB levels of damage farmed this way. Only issue it's sometimes hard to force the game when you're just splashing HE rain from 14km. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
