New Soviet DD split

[lafeel]

 

Most of Soviet destroyers are Italian designs (all from Gnevny to Tashkent and her fictional derivatives) 

 

No more fictional than any of the (several) designs already in game that were actually  laid down but weren't completed (Kiev) or never left the drawing board for one reason or another.

[Panocek]

Well i am more interested in this compensation which WG is talking about since i have udaloi and am keen to know how will they make everything work

But all in all i think it sounds pretty nice...now RN BB pls xD

 

Frankly, I'm all in for missile destroyers, russian or not, especially if they are decently balanced. Certainly something new than HE firing Tea Battleboats

[walter3kurtz]

 

Don't want to derail even more , since this is about the DD split.

So nvm, take it as an example that colors or WTR or any other rating in warships at the moment have a lot of flaws. If you don't see them, fine with me, you are not alone out there ;)

 

It's OT here, but I would like to discuss this further some other time. Not that it really matters but it seems like a fun little exercise.

[rafparis]

 

Quoting from the announcement page:

Of course, we will think over the most straightforward options to compensate all the players who had already upgraded the ships that changed their Tier. There will be no need at all to research and buy your favourite destroyers again!

That would indicate, that you get each ship at its new tier. So, if you own the Ognevoi now, you will get it uptiered to T8, while you get the Kiev uptiered to T9

 

However, if they stay elited is another question.

 

the "elited" is the problem here. Doing one grind in hatsu was bad, redoing it again was a nightmare...

Other ships remainded "elited", and i got the next one ready to be bought. But not in the case of the hatsu if you didn't have it in your port.

[EdiJo]

 

No more fictional than any of the (several) designs already in game that were actually  laid down but weren't completed (Kiev) or never left the drawing board for one reason or another.

 

Well, Soviet Navy is the most fictional one in the game. 

And I replied only to point out that there is already quite a lot of Italian ships in WoWS: Gnevny, Grem, Tashkent, Kiev, Kirov, Molotov, Shchors 

 

 

[Nethraniel]

 

the "elited" is the problem here. Doing one grind in hatsu was bad, redoing it again was a nightmare...

Other ships remainded "elited", and i got the next one ready to be bought. But not in the case of the hatsu if you didn't have it in your port.

 

Well, I had the full IJN DD line in port when the split happened. Still, I had to go through the Hatsu. The T6 Hatsu is quite ok now, if you skip the 6km torps... however, the situation here will be interesting, if you also have the full VMF DD tree at your disposal, because you will then end up with the following ship researched without having the former ship elited.

[Tuccy]

Hm for some reason Forum ate my prepared reply... Gah. So just in bulletpoints, without quotes:

 

• Kiev is actually a follow-up on Tashkent, Ognevoi was also a class that was built with experience from the "leaders" and regular destroyers in mind. Putting them to higher tier puts them into their rightful place and for example resolves some "illogical issues", such as the earlier ships having more modern AA and looks than the later tier ships. similar to, say, Fubuki vs. Kagero or (once upon time) Mogami vs. Myoko.
• The ships will not be moved "as is" - they are currently balanced to fit their tier, they will be rebalanced to fit the new tier. In case of Kiev it is pretty clear and straightforward - after all beter guns and more torpes will be clear. In case of Ognevoi, do not forget that Benson or Lo Yang also have a four gun broadside - and Ognevoi will get a flatter trajectory. On the other hand she will get fewer torpedoes, so her role will be more a fast gun skirmishing specialist. So I guess there is no need to worry about her Tier VIII performance.
• As for compensations / replacements - wait for the announcement 

[GeneraIlKrizmuz]

Hm for some reason Forum ate my prepared reply... Gah. So just in bulletpoints, without quotes:

 

• Kiev is actually a follow-up on Tashkent, Ognevoi was also a class that was built with experience from the "leaders" and regular destroyers in mind. Putting them to higher tier puts them into their rightful place and for example resolves some "illogical issues", such as the earlier ships having more modern AA and looks than the later tier ships. similar to, say, Fubuki vs. Kagero or (once upon time) Mogami vs. Myoko.
• The ships will not be moved "as is" - they are currently balanced to fit their tier, they will be rebalanced to fit the new tier. In case of Kiev it is pretty clear and straightforward - after all beter guns and more torpes will be clear. In case of Ognevoi, do not forget that Benson or Lo Yang also have a four gun broadside - and Ognevoi will get a flatter trajectory. On the other hand she will get fewer torpedoes, so her role will be more a fast gun skirmishing specialist. So I guess there is no need to worry about her Tier VIII performance.
• As for compensations / replacements - wait for the announcement 

 

Will the XP that we currently have accumulated on the Udaloi jump to the new line together with the Udaloi or stay in this line on the Kiev?

[XbodzioXplX]

As for compensations / replacements - wait for the announcement 

 

<salt on>

 

Yeah... Waiting for info from WG is like:

 

</salt off>

 

<another salt on>

 

The is some 30 houres left and the patch 0.6.0 will be online.

There is massive change in captain perks.

We have a lot of question.

There is no info about it.

 

</another salt off>

 

<I do not have more salt>

</I do not have more salt>

So yeah.... Just wait....

[Panocek]

Hm for some reason Forum ate my prepared reply... Gah. So just in bulletpoints, without quotes:

 

• Kiev is actually a follow-up on Tashkent, Ognevoi was also a class that was built with experience from the "leaders" and regular destroyers in mind. Putting them to higher tier puts them into their rightful place and for example resolves some "illogical issues", such as the earlier ships having more modern AA and looks than the later tier ships. similar to, say, Fubuki vs. Kagero or (once upon time) Mogami vs. Myoko.
• The ships will not be moved "as is" - they are currently balanced to fit their tier, they will be rebalanced to fit the new tier. In case of Kiev it is pretty clear and straightforward - after all beter guns and more torpes will be clear. In case of Ognevoi, do not forget that Benson or Lo Yang also have a four gun broadside - and Ognevoi will get a flatter trajectory. On the other hand she will get fewer torpedoes, so her role will be more a fast gun skirmishing specialist. So I guess there is no need to worry about her Tier VIII performance.
• As for compensations / replacements - wait for the announcement 

 

Except Benson/Lo Yang have vastly better rate of fire to make up for lack of barrels. And certainly will keep their concealment advantage over russians

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

Hm for some reason Forum ate my prepared reply... Gah. So just in bulletpoints, without quotes:

 

• Kiev is actually a follow-up on Tashkent, Ognevoi was also a class that was built with experience from the "leaders" and regular destroyers in mind. Putting them to higher tier puts them into their rightful place and for example resolves some "illogical issues", such as the earlier ships having more modern AA and looks than the later tier ships. similar to, say, Fubuki vs. Kagero or (once upon time) Mogami vs. Myoko.
• The ships will not be moved "as is" - they are currently balanced to fit their tier, they will be rebalanced to fit the new tier. In case of Kiev it is pretty clear and straightforward - after all beter guns and more torpes will be clear. In case of Ognevoi, do not forget that Benson or Lo Yang also have a four gun broadside - and Ognevoi will get a flatter trajectory. On the other hand she will get fewer torpedoes, so her role will be more a fast gun skirmishing specialist. So I guess there is no need to worry about her Tier VIII performance.
• As for compensations / replacements - wait for the announcement 

 

nice ty for info tucc

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

If WG compensate like with the IJN DD split  I will be very happy.

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Except Benson/Lo Yang have vastly better rate of fire to make up for lack of barrels. And certainly will keep their concealment advantage over russians

 

I am guessing Ognevoi will get the Udalois guns with the better RoF and even better trajectory

[Kancolle_Kongou]

And Ognevoi at T8 should be interesting 

 

yea, that will be interesting. Was a nice ship back before i unlocked kiev.  

This will be an interesting one, and kiev fits is really nice so it at t9 will be interesting too 

[Panocek]

 

I am guessing Ognevoi will get the Udalois guns with the better RoF and even better trajectory

 

Except Udaloi/Kebab don't have improved reload for some time already... Obviously it can be increased "for balancing reasons", but more likely is simply copy/paste and calling it a day.

[dasCKD]

I mean, I didn't dislike the Ognevoi, in fact I did pretty decent in it, but I would say that ship is just scraping by for tier VI. It would be woefully misplaced at tier VII, let alone tier VIII.

 

It's probably because she'll most likely be given a radar along with the new SN DD line. She'll be completely broken if not for the low gun density and poor ship survivability. As it is, she would be a very tempting addition to clan wars and ranked battles.

[Gojuadorai]

 

Except Benson/Lo Yang have vastly better rate of fire to make up for lack of barrels. And certainly will keep their concealment advantage over russians

 

ROF is pretty much a balancing stat in WOWS so it can be adjusted pretty freely to  make the OG competetive.

i just rebought it and am thinking about purchasing the  camo for 1000db cheap ;-)

[creamgravy]

 

ROF is pretty much a balancing stat in WOWS so it can be adjusted pretty freely to  make the OG competetive.

i just rebought it and am thinking about purchasing the  camo for 1000db cheap ;-)

 

Ognevoi firing arcs are a bit rubbish and showing broadside to a Farragut at close range is a quick way to to the bottom.

 

Bump up HE alpha back to 1900 your still only looking at 10,500 DPM, same as a Kagero and a B-hull Benson is pushing 15,000. 

[Gojuadorai]

 

Ognevoi firing arcs are a bit rubbish and showing broadside to a Farragut at close range is a quick way to to the bottom.

 

Bump up HE alpha back to 1900 your still only looking at 10,500 DPM, same as a Kagero and a B-hull Benson is pushing 15,000. 

 

well i assume since they said the would get better guns i assumed the OG will get kiev arcs. as well as buffed rof.

and maybe longer ranged torps since its tier 8 then.

well see.

 

[FaceFisted]

 

Italy not relevant unlike glorious Soviet Union, tovarish. xaxaxaxaxaxaxa

 

This made me lol

 

But in all honesty, I would like for WG to finish all current ship trees before they introduce new ones. There will be time for other nations as well. I would like them to be thoroughly thought through, than to be released like this German fail DD tree. 

[piet11111]

 

This made me lol

 

But in all honesty, I would like for WG to finish all current ship trees before they introduce new ones. There will be time for other nations as well. I would like them to be thoroughly thought through, than to be released like this German fail DD tree. 

 

We dont need them to think things through we need them to listen to their testers for better results.

[Smeggo]

Had anyone a Premium-camo on a moved IJN-DD? How has this been handled? 

[Captain_Strawberry]

Had anyone a Premium-camo on a moved IJN-DD? How has this been handled? 

 

​This was taken from the patch notes for 0.5.15

 

 

Permanent camouflage

• If a player had purchased the permanent camouflage for Hatsuharu VII before the update was released, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Hatsuharu VI and Akatsuki VII will be added to the player's account as replacements
• If a player had purchased the permanent camouflage for Fubuki VIII before the update was released, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Kagero VIII and Fubuki VII will be added to the player's account as replacements
• If a player had purchased the permanent camouflage for Kagero IX before the was released, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Yugumo IX and Kagero VIII will be added to the player's account as replacements

 

I imagine that it will be similar to this but they will post what's gonna happen in the patch notes for the update that messes up the SN DD line. So my reasoning is that if you buy the Ognevoi and put gold camo on her then the tier VI Gnevy and the Ognevoi at tier VIII will have gold camo after the reshuffle. But I'd wait for official information on that matter from WG on that matter before throwing doubloons at them

[Kenliero]

I have Udaloi and I have been grinding Khaba for a long time. Does this split mean that Khaba grind is just simply denied from me and Udaloi moved to other tree, and I have to start again from T5?

 

PS. I also have premium camo in Udaloi.... where is that going to go?