[WG] Killerbin34 WG Staff 260 posts 32,003 battles Report post #51 Posted January 17, 2017 My question is this. Is considered one of the new lines coming out this year or not ? Since last year we had 4 lines released plus the Japanese split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #52 Posted January 17, 2017 My question is this. Is considered one of the new lines coming out this year or not ? Since last year we had 4 lines released plus the Japanese split. No 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
S4h3L Players 1,593 posts 8,797 battles Report post #53 Posted January 17, 2017 Still waiting for US CA/CL split Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fatmonk ∞ Players 118 posts 8,961 battles Report post #54 Posted January 17, 2017 the Kiev will get the B-2-U So the Udaloi, My no.1 AdrenalinePumpingGtfoCampersIllDoItAllMyselfThen, ship, will get nerfed? Becoming a totally different ship? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOTEL] Ashtaron Beta Tester 31 posts 14,041 battles Report post #55 Posted January 17, 2017 Kiev as Tier IX hahaha. That is all. There's nothing funny about it. A ship developed from the Tashkent preceding said Tashkent was the one of the weirdest decisions in the initial tree, and it's about time they fixed that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER Players 1,473 posts Report post #56 Posted January 17, 2017 Still processing Ognevoi at tier VIII ... currently the results of that train of thought is firmly pointing towards running a drug test among the WG developers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LAFIE] lafeel Beta Tester 7,707 posts 7,856 battles Report post #57 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Actually they do look 130mm. They are just not the 130mm of the Gnevny class. They are in fact similar to those on the Krasny Krym. That fits with the fact that it has 5 guns and Gnevny only has 4 (one tier up). Gnevny has much more powerful guns. The main difference lies with the KK gunhouses having a sloped surface towards the rear, that is wider at the bottom than the top. The Gnevny gunhouses are entirely flat and it's faceplate is sloped back at a greater angle. Sorry but I can not agree. Remember the KK is a lot bigger a ship, even if the tier 5 is the size of a Leningrad. And she would have to be at LEAST the size of a Leningrad for 130's to look that small in comparison to the rest of the ship. Edit: Just to prove the point, look at how big the 130's are on the Minsk, which was a slightly enlarged half sister to the Leningrad. No, I really do not think those are 130mm guns. Edited January 17, 2017 by lafeel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #58 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) So the Udaloi, My no.1 AdrenalinePumpingGtfoCampersIllDoItAllMyselfThen, ship, will get nerfed? Becoming a totally different ship? Wild guess Udaloi will stay as it is, maybe gets newer, actually existing 130mm/58 guns in SM-2-1 turrets as upgrade instead current paper design 130mm/55 in B2U turret. I have no idea how WG is going to differentiate between existing gunboats and upcoming "destroyer leaders" as they are pretty much the same. Guessing "gunboats" as in Tash, Kiev and Kebab will lose on durability, to justify slower, but more durable "leaders". Except only "gunboat" with firepower advantage over "leader" would be Tash and Kebab, only due to extra turret. Edited January 17, 2017 by Panocek Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,815 battles Report post #59 Posted January 17, 2017 Wild guess Udaloi will stay as it is, maybe gets newer, actually existing 130mm/58 guns in SM-2-1 turrets as upgrade instead current paper design 130mm/55 in B2U turret. I have no idea how WG is going to differentiate between existing gunboats and upcoming "destroyer leaders" as they are pretty much the same. Guessing "gunboats" as in Tash, Kiev and Kebab will lose on durability, to justify slower, but more durable "leaders". Except only "gunboat" with firepower advantage over "leader" would be Tash and Kebab, only due to extra turret. So the Udaloi, My no.1 AdrenalinePumpingGtfoCampersIllDoItAllMyselfThen, ship, will get nerfed? Becoming a totally different ship? Problem is, everyone will loose their stats from the current line (above tier V). Yeah, just like the IJn split this will be another "corrupt Wargaming API" issue. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCUMM] herrjott [SCUMM] Players 943 posts 22,067 battles Report post #60 Posted January 17, 2017 I have no idea how WG is going to differentiate between existing gunboats and upcoming "destroyer leaders" as they are pretty much the same. Guessing "gunboats" as in Tash, Kiev and Kebab will lose on durability, to justify slower, but more durable "leaders". Except only "gunboat" with firepower advantage over "leader" would be Tash and Kebab, only due to extra turret. Going by the announcement, the Tash, Kiev and Khaba are the destroyer leaders, so they will likely stay what they are: big gunboats with bad concealment and much health. The new branch should have better concealment, longer ranged torpedos and maybe a slower rate of fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raziel_Walker Players 463 posts 8,787 battles Report post #61 Posted January 17, 2017 Currently at the Ognevoi which I really dislike but I think my best option is to research/buy the Kiev and then wait for the split. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,815 battles Report post #62 Posted January 17, 2017 Currently at the Ognevoi which I really dislike but I think my best option is to research/buy the Kiev and then wait for the split. The Kiev is an awesome boat, enjoy it while you can. Be prepared to lose all stats on it though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #63 Posted January 17, 2017 Be prepared to lose all stats on it though. Who cares? In addition: it's just a 3rd party website problem, the stats are still there. If any of the 3rd party sites was any serious about stats they would have adapted their weird "performance" formulas at some point in time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KUMA] Kittykami Beta Tester 289 posts 11,934 battles Report post #64 Posted January 17, 2017 The Udaloi is my favourite ship in the game, so any incoming changes to her character is worrying me quite a bit. I don't want her to lose firepower and become some sort of pseudo-torpedo boat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #65 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Kiev is originally balanced at tier 9 in pre-alpha test so they just need to switch back to its old stats. Edited January 17, 2017 by Darth_Glorious 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rafparis Beta Tester 872 posts 4,381 battles Report post #66 Posted January 17, 2017 i just hope they don't f***k it up like with the IJN DDs split, when i had to regrind through the hatsu... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Panocek Players 13,176 posts 13,617 battles Report post #67 Posted January 17, 2017 Going by the announcement, the Tash, Kiev and Khaba are the destroyer leaders, so they will likely stay what they are: big gunboats with bad concealment and much health. The new branch should have better concealment, longer ranged torpedos and maybe a slower rate of fire. Yet Groz will most likely have superior guns compared to Kebab - better ballistics and reload, to make up for one turret less. But then we don't know what WG will do to existing "gunboats". Maybe remove long range torps, leaving entire line with 4km (6km for Kebab). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #68 Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) i just hope they don't f***k it up like with the IJN DDs split, when i had to regrind through the hatsu... Quoting from the announcement page: Of course, we will think over the most straightforward options to compensate all the players who had already upgraded the ships that changed their Tier. There will be no need at all to research and buy your favourite destroyers again! That would indicate, that you get each ship at its new tier. So, if you own the Ognevoi now, you will get it uptiered to T8, while you get the Kiev uptiered to T9 However, if they stay elited is another question. Edited January 17, 2017 by Nethraniel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYTHE] _Flyto_ Players 623 posts 7,167 battles Report post #69 Posted January 17, 2017 The guns will simply not cut it as a gunboat DD either way you put it. And WG has deliberately worded the line as "artillery destroyers". And 2x3 torpedoe tubes at tier VIII ... those would have to be seriously good torpedoes to make up for the low alpha, even if they would have very short reload times. Remember that WG use the word "artillery" simply to mean "guns". I assume it's a translation-from-Russian thing. So I wouldn't read too much into it, except that the new line is to be gun-heavy rather than torp-heavy, which was a given anyway given what's on it. I suspect we may see Ognevoi's concealment improved - because she isn't a huge ship, unlike the destroyer leaders that follow her, and I'm guessing that she had an artificially poor concealment at T6 for balance against the firepower, and to prepare people for what followed. Plus, even if they don't change anything, T8 gets the concealment module. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,815 battles Report post #70 Posted January 17, 2017 Who cares? In addition: it's just a 3rd party website problem, the stats are still there. If any of the 3rd party sites was any serious about stats they would have adapted their weird "performance" formulas at some point in time. Many, if not the vast majority of players worth their salt, use those third party websites. I haven't played the Russians a lot, but imagine being a good Khabarovsk player and seeing the stats from the entire line go *poof* It's a simple fact that not only in wows but in many games out there, stats are an integral part of the experience. I don't know what you mean by adapting formulas. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #71 Posted January 17, 2017 Many, if not the vast majority of players worth their salt, use those third party websites. I haven't played the Russians a lot, but imagine being a good Khabarovsk player and seeing the stats from the entire line go *poof* It's a simple fact that not only in wows but in many games out there, stats are an integral part of the experience. I don't know what you mean by adapting formulas. You don't ? Random ship, random players (not me) and it is totally obvious why there is a 100 -500 point "skill" difference. Surely it has nothing to do with the formulas used. All skill , well measured and defined. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GRNPA] avenger121 Beta Tester 1,296 posts 10,330 battles Report post #72 Posted January 17, 2017 You don't ? Random ship, random players (not me) and it is totally obvious why there is a 100 -500 point "skill" difference. Surely it has nothing to do with the formulas used. All skill , well measured and defined. What is supposed to be wrong about this? Looks pretty good to me, also it is obvious that no rating ever will be able to measure skill 100% accurate. The guy with 178 battles has far more WTR since he wins far more battles combined with higher survivability, the 59% WR guy may have more DPG but since he doesnt win nearly as often he is probably farming dmg without being useful. Although the database is very small, less than 200 matches means that variance still plays a big role for WR. On topic: I hope WG doesnt butcher the stats with their changes and simply creates new "IDs" for all RU DDs above T5 except for the Khaba ofc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #73 Posted January 17, 2017 What is supposed to be wrong about this? Looks pretty good to me, also it is obvious that no rating ever will be able to measure skill 100% accurate. The guy with 178 battles has far more WTR since he wins far more battles combined with higher survivability, the 59% WR guy may have more DPG but since he doesnt win nearly as often he is probably farming dmg without being useful. Don't want to derail even more , since this is about the DD split. So nvm, take it as an example that colors or WTR or any other rating in warships at the moment have a lot of flaws. If you don't see them, fine with me, you are not alone out there ;) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EdiJo Players 1,419 posts 11,712 battles Report post #74 Posted January 17, 2017 Italy not relevant unlike glorious Soviet Union, tovarish. xaxaxaxaxaxaxa Most of Soviet destroyers are Italian designs (all from Gnevny to Tashkent and her fictional derivatives) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_Maou_ Players 206 posts 8,147 battles Report post #75 Posted January 17, 2017 Well i am more interested in this compensation which WG is talking about since i have udaloi and am keen to know how will they make everything work But all in all i think it sounds pretty nice...now RN BB pls xD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
