New Soviet DD split

[avenger121]

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Project 40N

3 x 2 – 130mm/57 SM-2-1 twin DP gun turrets

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So the new DD brach that is supposed to play different from the old one, most likely better torpedos/concealment since the Udaloi/Khaba are the apex gun DDs, gets a T10 with more modern guns with even longer barrels and thus higher MV. Unless the soviets suddenly made a step back with their shell design and used less aerodynamic ones and therefore a higher drag value ingame, the Grozovoi´s guns will probably feature better ballistics than the Khaba guns.

 

 

Edit: The big banner and the ingame screenshot below show the Grozovoi with 2 front turrets though, instead of one on your handkerchief/blueprint.

[GeneraIlKrizmuz]

 

The problem is how will you buff a 2x2 main battery, 2x3 torpedo launchers to be competitive?

 

The guns will simply not cut it as a gunboat DD either way you put it. And WG has deliberately worded the line as "artillery destroyers". And 2x3 torpedoe tubes at tier VIII ... those would have to be seriously good torpedoes to make up for the low alpha, even if they would have very short reload times.

 

Kiev at tier IX I could see after some buffing to detectability and health, but the Ognevoi? Buffing that thing to tier VIII material without pulling something out their arse is not something that I see happening.

 

Health up, reload down to 3 sec (pre BFT) , torps up to 8km range and it's ok

[Bladezfist]

I'm scared. I don't want my Udaloi to become a normal destroyer. That thing is an awesome gunboat.

[Cosseria]

Ognevoy at T 8? That will be a truly glorious, Iron Curtain style paywall!

[creamgravy]

They wont put Ognevoi at tier 8 without a big buff, 2x3 launchers and 2x2 guns isn't enough. The alternative line might get mines.

 

How will Minsk differ from Leningrad, slower rotating guns maybe?

[Verdius]

So what was that about Neustrashimy, Smeliy and project 56? Are we getting 2 new branches of Soviet DDs this year? (I mean really? Yet they still can't put in Italians?)

Ognevoi at tier 8 seems ridiculous. Gnevny will probably be buffed to about Anshan levels. They were talking about different equipment for the DDs, so does that mean that 1 line gets radar and the other smoke or something?

[byronicasian]

The ingame torpedo formula so far has been taking the shortest range setting and adding 20 knots to it (barring gameplay considerations and upgrades like IJN torps, which require less than 20 knots to hit the 70kt mark). I would expect 8km torps at 68-70kts.

[avenger121]

So what was that about Neustrashimy, Smeliy and project 56? Are we getting 2 new branches of Soviet DDs this year? (I mean really? Yet they still can't put in Italians?)

 

Ognevoi at tier 8 seems ridiculous. Gnevny will probably be buffed to about Anshan levels. They were talking about different equipment for the DDs, so does that mean that 1 line gets radar and the other smoke or something?

 

Italy not relevant unlike glorious Soviet Union, tovarish. xaxaxaxaxaxaxa

[Darth_Glorious]

So what was that about Neustrashimy, Smeliy and project 56? Are we getting 2 new branches of Soviet DDs this year? (I mean really? Yet they still can't put in Italians?)

 

Ognevoi at tier 8 seems ridiculous. Gnevny will probably be buffed to about Anshan levels. They were talking about different equipment for the DDs, so does that mean that 1 line gets radar and the other smoke or something?

 

well they can be another Soviet sub brance or a Chinese DD branch (Chinese Luda is improved design from Project 56 anw).

[Robber_Baron]

Tuccy posted this under that article, about the Ognevoi:

Obviously she will be rebalanced adequately - a 4-gun broadside is nothing to be sneezed at, it is the same as top Benson, but with flatter trajectory guns. And she most likely won't keep Tier VI torpedoes either ;)

 

A third Soviet DD branch would be ridiculous, especially considering the many more relevant branches and even complete nations (as you mentioned the Italians for example^) still missing. But WG moves in mysterious ways.

 

Edit: Tuccy wrote this about the three other ships:

Well, this thing is rather a small adjustment - the announced ships will come later in the year

 

 

[herrjott]

How will Minsk differ from Leningrad, slower rotating guns maybe?

 

Why does the Leningrad have to be better than Minsk?

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 They already sold loads of it

 

[beercrazy]

not saying the Tashkent is crap but I would have thought it would be dropped to say tier 2

 

[Comrad_StaIin]

new Tier 10 Soviet DD

 

[Soroka]

As far as I have understood, we get to keep all our excisting ships. So will I get the tier 9 version of the Kiev if I already have the tier 7 version? 

 

Some people say that we will get new tier 7 and lost Kiev. Im not sure who is right.

[Desteban]

Tuccy posted this under that article, about the Ognevoi:

 

A third Soviet DD branch would be ridiculous, especially considering the many more relevant branches and even complete nations (as you mentioned the Italians for example^) still missing. But WG moves in mysterious ways.

 

Edit: Tuccy wrote this about the three other ships:

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 Well, this thing is rather a small adjustment - the announced ships will come later in the year 

 

 

New lines are fun and stuff but I rather have an existing line expanded because that means I don't have to train new captains from scratch.

 

And of course I love my Russian DDs 

[Auzor_S]

So, anyone have an idea when these will be added?  

 

I suspect I'm not alone in expecting more stealth & better torpedoes.  

But then, why 'artillery destroyers'? 

What is the difference then between artillery and leader destroyer?  

 

[Comrad_StaIin]

So, anyone have an idea when these will be added?  

 

I suspect I'm not alone in expecting more stealth & better torpedoes.  

But then, why 'artillery destroyers'? 

What is the difference then between artillery and leader destroyer?  

 

 

I am thinking late fabruary to mid march

[lafeel]

That new tier 5 looks..Interesting. Don't look like 130mm guns on her at least (too small)

[Verdius]

 

well they can be another Soviet sub brance or a Chinese DD branch (Chinese Luda is improved design from Project 56 anw).

 

I doubt it will just be Chinese since that still leaves Neustrashimy and Smeliy, which did not see service with China. So we will get 2 branches of Soviet destroyers this year.  

I'd rather they put that time and resources into fixing CV's or on navies that are underrepresented in game by getting the RN ships out faster, or add RN CA, or an extra branch of French ships besides the ones already planned, or Italians etc etc.

[Dampfboot]

Why would someone want a SMELLY DD?

 

Anyway I wonder whether all the Russian Torpedo boat DDs will also receive the same Christmas Tree upgrade as the German DDs (as that is what they compare them against in the announcement text) which is they are visible across the whole map?

[B4zza]

 

You going to do bad bad things to my Udaloi, I love that thing. I feel I won't after this. 

[avenger121]

Post Khaba-range-nerf the Udaloi is the best DD to simply spam the enemy BBs with HE from 12km+ while dodging incoming fire, looks like WG doesnt like that too much. Although I am currently playing/testing the Khaba the Udaloi is probably my fav ship for molesting baBBies. I hope they dont change her too much.

 

On the other hand I have 500k XP on the Udaloi I cant use atm, looks like I will get a new T10 DD without any effort.

[Prae362]

Kiev as Tier IX hahaha. That is all.

[Takeda92]

 

WG what now?

 

I mean, I didn't dislike the Ognevoi, in fact I did pretty decent in it, but I would say that ship is just scraping by for tier VI. It would be woefully misplaced at tier VII, let alone tier VIII.

 

Pretty sure they will give it Udalois guns and Khabarovks torps, and you'll have yet another better DD than Kagero.

[Unintentional_submarine]

That new tier 5 looks..Interesting. Don't look like 130mm guns on her at least (too small)

 

Actually they do look 130mm. They are just not the 130mm of the Gnevny class. They are in fact similar to those on the Krasny Krym. That fits with the fact that it has 5 guns and Gnevny only has 4 (one tier up). Gnevny has much more powerful guns.

The main difference lies with the KK gunhouses having a sloped surface towards the rear, that is wider at the bottom than the top. The Gnevny gunhouses are entirely flat and it's faceplate is sloped back at a greater angle.