Another CV rant....

[pra3y]

This thread is missing something.............

 

 

Where is avenger121 

[dasCKD]

And out of 12 players in random battles, how many on average stick together like that?

 

CVs don't have to attack a death-ball of ships, because there are always alternatives. You just go for the easier targets first and then as the battle develops, either the formation breaks up, they start seriously losing AA and/or some of them sink.

 

Yesterday 5D was performing clan strategies. Out of that 3 hour long test session, the most interesting part for me was that the de facto carrier player of our clan (70 solo WR on the US server, a bit less impressive on EU with his original account) was arguing for leaving out carriers from future tier 10 clan battles. He showed us his map calculations, and it is COMPLETELY impossible to remain outside of the AA range of the battleships and cruisers whilst so much as getting close enough to spot an enemy destroyer in the standard map control positions. The AA at tiers 8 to 10 is so strong and far reaching that attacking ships that is outside of another ship's AA bubble requires a legendary level of stupidity that myths would still speak of a millennia from now.

[dasCKD]

Where is avenger121 

 

I would rather he show up. Whilst being an insufferable git, he is at least a strong enough player to understand and work with and around game mechanics. You could still carry on a half-decent conversation with him before something innocuous triggers his inner [edited]and the thread dissolved into name calling.

[aboomination]

Agreed. he likes that stuff cumming out his mouth.

 

Idk if OP has cum in his mouth but let's keep this sfw 

[General_Alexus]

 

Who rattled your cage? As already stated I have played the Murmansk a handful of games in the last six months. I was grinding credits and learning to play the game in that ship. My other high use ship was the Cleveland back then. This is irrelevant to the post and reasons for it that are stated above. Great stats by the way, a KD of 29 in the Saipan with average damage of 71K is somewhat impressive.

 

​Well i dont think of Saipan ( T7 ) as Seal clubbing, more like punishing OP BBs at Midtier who bully CLs/CAs next to the Point of extinction, but thx anyway ( my KD with it  is 29? that is something new for me )

 

[Redcap375]

 

The counter to CV's is teamwork, in CBT the first thing a CA would ask would be ' which BB needs an escort ' and vice verse. You never see this in randoms now, mostly though because there are not that many CV's playing and when they are in the match you can't ask as there are often more BB's then CA's around. 

 

WG has been trying to balance them around 1v1's, with giving BB's more and more AAA on their own, which isn't the way to go imo but I guess it had to be done to retain the influx of new players who don't want to think about teamwork or playing their class in conjunction with other classes. 

 

The nail on the head chaps. This and this and it was how it used to be (sort of)

 

This game is becoming more and more noobie friendly to draw punters in, its a business at the end of the day. Just look at the new captain skills, a blind man can see it.

 

If I play the team game in my Cleveland, I have an area of 7.4 km of plane death. I have 2 BB divs mates and I can protect them from every single plane that comes in for the entire Game. Is that Fair to the CV? I have stripped him of causing any damage. Could I do that with any other class?

 

I think not.

[Ubertron_X]

OPs point is still valid. If you would have an unicum player in your team you would definitely want him to man your CV, especially at T8+. No other single ship has so much potential influence on the course of battle.

 

 

[Redcap375]

CV's always ruin games, manual drop should be removed, even better remove CV's from the game altogether

 

Why are you so against CVS so much lad? Do you play CVs as a lot of people who comment on them dont? I guess your a DD player as you have hid your stats for some reason.

 

Never understood why people hid their stats..

[dasCKD]

OPs point is still valid. If you would have an unicum player in your team you would definitely want him to man your CV, especially at T8+.

 

Not necessarily. If I was in a ranked battle, I'll be in complete agreement. In randoms however, I find that having too many good players on one team just means that it becomes really difficult to get things done myself before my team steamrolls everyone.

[Tugnut]

 

Why are you so against CVS so much lad? Do you play CVs as a lot of people who comment on them dont? I guess your a DD player as you have hid your stats for some reason.

 

Never understood why people hid their stats..

 

was a point that there was a xvm working in game... made it easy for cv and basically any enemy running the mod the knowledge on who to focus down first.

  Or maybe that people will not take there opinions seriously if they know they are not of a high " stat" level!

[Redcap375]

OPs point is still valid. If you would have an unicum player in your team you would definitely want him to man your CV, especially at T8+. No other single ship has so much potential influence on the course of battle.

 

 

 

A good player, yes. A bad one handicaps your team more than anyother ship.

 

Its a CV gents...The thing that made BB redundant IRL. It should be the most influential ship in the game! That's why there is one at higher tiers?

 

Its also the most hardest to play by-the-way. I can't speak for dds as I really can't play them.

[Redcap375]

 

was a point that there was a xvm working in game... made it easy for cv and basically any enemy running the mod the knowledge on who to focus down first.

  Or maybe that people will not take there opinions seriously if they know they are not of a high " stat" level!

 

 I think the latter. Thanks m8

[Ragweek]

I find CA's hardest to play. Very unforgiving. Bbs can one shot you..... but that's just me.

 

 

[aboomination]

I find CA's hardest to play. Very unforgiving. Bbs can one shot you..... but that's just me.

 

Sailing broadside to a BB? That's a paddling!

[Syrchalis]

 

Sailing broadside to a BB? That's a paddling!

 

You mean bow-on to any same-tier BB and still get triple citadelled - every CA ever.

 

I find it funny how people demand manual drop be removed. That's like removing main battery guns for BBs and allowing them to only use secondaries. If anyone gets hit by an auto drop he deserves to have his game uninstalled automatically.

[aboomination]

You mean bow-on to any same-tier BB and still get triple citadelled

 

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[Ragweek]

That is Exactly what i was getting at. in world of bbs I would say the ca's have the hard time.

 

Your angle cannot be perfect against all 8 of there bbs.

 

Cvs are so rare at high tiers its not even worth mentioning.

 

This post was only started because the op was having trouble with stat padding in low tier games.

 

[avenger121]

I would rather he show up. Whilst being an insufferable git, he is at least a strong enough player to understand and work with and around game mechanics. You could still carry on a half-decent conversation with him before something innocuous triggers his inner [edited]and the thread dissolved into name calling.

 

Lol. The name calling is always started by the pro CV guys, they never try to disprove my arguments because they cant, instead they just go full ad hominem.

 

 

 

Also I am getting bored, because some coprophages here always show up with the same stupid arguments, which are completly trash if you just think 2s about:

 

A good player, yes. A bad one handicaps your team more than anyother ship.               totally true, which means on the flip side that CVs are the most influential and strongest class, better than all the other classes

 

Its a CV gents...The thing that made BB redundant IRL. It should be the most influential ship in the game! That's why there is one at higher tiers?   WoWs is not a arcade game, ships shouldnt be balanced so that everyone has the same chance to influence the match, totally not

 

Its also the most hardest to play by-the-way. I can't speak for dds as I really can't play them.        it is the most hectic class and certainly the hardest class to play if you want to get the maximum out of them, but not the hardest class if your goal is to achieve simply more dmg than every other class would do

 

 

Basically it comes down to this:

 

If you think CVs have too much power - then BLOODY PLAY ONE. Be the one with all the might and glory and gazilions of damage with no lost planes, getting double kraken every game. If you really think they are that OP, they should make tons of money and xp and produce so much enjoyment for the player who is in control of them, right?

 

because XP and economy = performance

 

he probably doesnt even know that each ship has individual XP and cred factors that WG can adjust at their will

 

inb4 popularity = performance        ....... and if you point that out someone comes and tells you this is wrong which every MMO proves, but toally forgetting that CVs are a shitty and bugged RTS game inside a 3rd person action shooter

 

 

Because their players either get better or quit. Battleships, cruisers, and destroyers performs more or less to their damage capacity (i.e. the damage that they are ABLE to do in one average game, the amount of fires they let burn, the amount of penetrating hits, etc.) but carriers have their damage tied down to player performance. Look at the average damage of the top players of the IJN carriers from tier 4 to tier 7. The difference of 3 tiers barely shifts the value of the damage done by 10k. A comparable difference in IJN battleships sees a difference of 50k in raw average damage. The CV damage scaling is basically a function of player skill, top performers of the class have nigh-identical performance across the tiers.

 

ahh, the good ol´ server stats are screwed because "xyz, something completly pulled out of your [edited]"

 

I am pretty sure you hint at the ARP ships and their normal tech tree counterparts, there are signigicant differences, because of different player pools based on how easy those mission have been to succeed. CVs lead dmg, kills, survivability and spotting stats simply because they are that strong. The whole "only good players are left" fairy tale is so rétarded. There are no numbers to prove this, I could show you a ton of of sub 40k DPG T9 CV players. Also I cant imagine any reason at all how ppl came to that conclusion, maybe because there are many purple sig ppl in their circlejerk. Given the fact that being purple is defined not by achieving a set amount of WR/dmg/whatever but by being in the top x%, one can only pity them for being prone to such fallacies.

 

 

CVs are very very strong, in fact OP, since no other class can carry that easily. They are frustrating to play, but that is seperate to the balance, just like the UI that cant handle more than 10 APM or the shítty economy.

[aboomination]

That is Exactly what i was getting at. in world of bbs I would say the ca's have the hard time.

 

A lot of cruiser players just aren't very good And yes, sometimes you get deleted but it happens rarely.

[Reyte]

 

Why are you so against CVS so much lad? Do you play CVs as a lot of people who comment on them dont? I guess your a DD player as you have hid your stats for some reason.

 

Never understood why people hid their stats..

 

there are always those perpetually offended ones. nothing you an do about it.

 

[Ragweek]

So the rare chance you get a cv in a game breaks it far more than having 8bbs a side?

[aboomination]

So the rare chance you get a cv in a game breaks it far more than having 8bbs a side?

 

What's your point again? Also recently I have way more matches with than without CV 

[mtm78]

 

A lot of cruiser players just aren't very good And yes, sometimes you get deleted but it happens rarely.

 

[aboomination]

 

 

Actually I am serious - a lot of cruiser players just suck bal.ls and deserve to suffer for it. The same sh.its who demand buffs for the ATL 

[Ragweek]

 

A lot of cruiser players just aren't very good And yes, sometimes you get deleted but it happens rarely.

A lot of players just aren't very       and yes, sometimes you get deleted buy a cv but it happens rarely