Another CV rant....

[Gudgeon]

Lets cut to the chase. I have had too many games ruined by CV's this weekend. Win rate abysmal. I don't mind getting sunk by CV's, but my last game takes the biscuit and was an example of what is killing the game for me. You play a DD and due to having potato/bot cv players on my team, you are spotted the whole battle. In my most recent game  I was harassed by a CV who was a very good player and he manged to cross drop me on his second attempt. He was able to do this as he had no opposition in regard to his opposite CV enemies (two cv's a side). The team got trounced.

 

Here are the respective stats of the CV's, names withheld to protect the innocent.

 

our team:

 

CV 1 - 2422 battles, 44.05% win rate, 593 xp, 23,860 damage, 0.68 kd and 0 kills this battle

CV 2 - 1733 battles, 45.64% win rate, 843 xp, 26,713 damage, 0.5 kd and 0 kills this battle

 

enemy team:

 

CV 1 - 4299 battles, 54.27% win rate, 867 xp, 39,756 damage, 1.91 kd 3 kills this battle

CV 2 - 4744 battles, 49.6% win rate, 1357 xp, 41914 damage, 1.09 kd 0 kills this battle

 

That looks balanced doesn't it. Match maker says........you lose.

 

Basically, we had one seal clubber on the enemy team and yes we all do a bit of seal clubbing from time to time, but CV1 on the emeny team has done 700 battles in this particular CV. 

 

The point I am trying to make is that having a seal clubber in a CV is much worse than any other class of ship as they are pretty much are unopposed during the battle if the other cv's are total amateurs. This is not the case for the other ship classes. WG need to implement some kind of training scheme that prevents new CV players getting into randoms without achieving a level of competence/ understanding their role/ know the game mechanics of CV play.

 

Yesterday myself and my division mate had a Saipan on our team that had played 68 battles, yes that is right 68 battles in total ever. Can you guess how his game went!?

[Devantejah]

The same can be said for every class, how often have you had BB's suited for brawling hide in the back?

 

Destroyers suicide rushing only to die without a single point of damage?

 

Cruisers refusing to lend any support and instead opt for sitting at maxrange trying to snipe battleships for damage farming?

[Gudgeon]

No, not the same. CV only counters CV for the majority of the battle, or until spotted. Other classes can be countered by each other from the first minute of the game. My point is that a skilled CV player against a novice means that the expert is unopposed and can have a very big say in the end result of the battle.

[anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER]

CV's always ruin games, manual drop should be removed, even better remove CV's from the game altogether

[Horin728]

This kind of thing can only happen at low tiers - tier 4/5 matches only, since starting in T5/6 the AA gets massive improvement and CV can be countered quite easily by JUST NOT BEING ALONE. If you are a DD, you know a CV will send fighters to spot you, when you get to the cap 1st. Use an allied cruiser to help you swat those planes, or use unconvetnional tactitcs - circle around the point until you can see the enemy DD capping it and then it won't matter it the CV sends his planes to spot you. Plus in the low tiers, every plane the CV looses is a great loss, the hangar capacity is laughable. Nerfing CVs even more is not an option.

 

 

[Horin728]

CV's always ruin games, manual drop should be removed, even better remove CV's from the game altogether

 

​CVs counter BBs. We need that

[159Hunter]

Out of curiosity, what tier was this game you are talking about?

[Gudgeon]

This kind of thing can only happen at low tiers - tier 4/5 matches only, since starting in T5/6 the AA gets massive improvement and CV can be countered quite easily by JUST NOT BEING ALONE. If you are a DD, you know a CV will send fighters to spot you, when you get to the cap 1st. Use an allied cruiser to help you swat those planes, or use unconvetnional tactitcs - circle around the point until you can see the enemy DD capping it and then it won't matter it the CV sends his planes to spot you. Plus in the low tiers, every plane the CV looses is a great loss, the hangar capacity is laughable. Nerfing CVs even more is not an option.

 

 

 

Yes I am talking about mid tier battles. If you are a new player experiencing this and the mid meta/match maker, the uninstall button must be tempting. By the way, I have seen many Tier 8 CV players who are abysmal too. 

 

I also think this game is superb, it just needs to adjustments to make it great, and more importantly, keep people coming back and attracting new players also.

[Kenliero]

For clarification...

What we have here is guy who does nothing but sealclubbing all than time. 6574 battles. Most played tiers 5 and 6. Not a single T10 and only 86 battles in T9. Is that your "occasional" sealclubbing? 

[steviln]

 

​CVs counter BBs. We need that

 

No, we do not need that. CV do little else than make the game less playable. 

[Festerman]

Keep CV's in game, but get rid of manual drop, nobody should have assured hits.

[Gudgeon]

For clarification...

What we have here is guy who does nothing but sealclubbing all than time. 6574 battles. Most played tiers 5 and 6. Not a single T10 and only 86 battles in T9. Is that your "occasional" sealclubbing? 

 

BTW Kenliero,I have 56 battles at T10. Very minimal I know. I skip T9 and T10 generally as they are costly campy boring battles in general. Even tier 8 has become  T9/T10 fodder. I play for my enjoyment, like most players on here. I actually play T6  to T8 these days (the last 6-9 months), after learning how to play in the lower tiers. And before you say the Murmansk is my most played ship, seal clubber etc, it has not been played much in the last six months and the reason I bought it originally is to grind credits to actually play/progress in the game. I don't give a stuff for stats and stat padding etc, it is about having fun and playing the ships I want to play.  I play all classes and ships, good and bad. I cannot play CV's and I do appreciate good CV players.

 

I won a Gremy in the Christmas present lottery, am I allowed to play that or does it make me a bad person?

[Elderdaddy]

good topic

 

 

im not sure if i should laugh or cry

 

now u can cry

[WingedHussar_Adler]

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[aboomination]

I also encountered many CV lately, no matter the tier - another reason why I re-bought the NC yesterday 

Overall that's a good thing. WG needs data for balancing purposes. I'm curious why there are so many CV at the moment, tho 

[Phlogistoned]

For clarification...

What we have here is guy who does nothing but sealclubbing all than time. 6574 battles. Most played tiers 5 and 6. Not a single T10 and only 86 battles in T9. Is that your "occasional" sealclubbing? 

Your point is?

 

If anything, that should make him capable enough for that tier. Yet he finds that skill multiplier is much higher for CVs than for other ships.

 

I played a T7 game the other day. Our CV was good, at 60+% WR, but Enemy CV was better, at 80+% . Sadly, the game was not even a contest, and it was the CV gameplay that decided it all. Among otherthings, he killed both my division-mates (I think about 60 and 70%WR respectively if that's of interest), and left me badly hurt for the battleships to pick off.

[159Hunter]

 

 

 

I won a Gremy in the Christmas present lottery, am I allowed to play that or does it make me a bad person?

 

So you were sealclubbing and encountered an enemy cv that was sealclubbing ( so he knew to spot etc etc ).

That's the risk of sealclubbing you end up with newbs ( your team ) who will wreck games by not doing anything usefull and sealclubbers ( enemy team ) who will wreck games by playing a good game.

The reward is that you can wreck someone else's game.

 

 

 

This time you got countered, is that a reason to come to forum and complain?

[AnuSuaraj]

Keep CV's in game, but get rid of manual drop, nobody should have assured hits.

 

Yeah, that's the way to fix CVs! Less skill and more click.

 

Jesus, I was wondering why dedicated CV players are such bitter A-holes, but with you clowns popping out statements like this, it is no wonder....

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

 

This time you got countered, is that a reason to come to forum and complain?

he has 6,5 k games and most in Murmansk (550+ games) ...and he cry about sealclubbing...offc almost 0 t9 and t10 games....

 

i do not get why peoples cry and not eaven try endgame?....

[Redcap375]

No point in this thread chaps. Seal clubbers will be seal clubbers and very good CV players will always shine in lower tier CVs! I could ruin anyones game a tier 5 with the amount of CV time I've had. 

 

But, if you like those tier then its cool. Just expect to be sinking a lot of noobie ships which I don't enjoy myself. Then again, there are some really bad players a tier 9 and I'm not joking. 

[aboomination]

he has 6,5 k games and most in Murmansk (550+ games) ...and he cry about sealclubbing...offc almost 0 t9 and t10 games....

 

Maybe he was looking for a cheap money maker back then. Or maybe he's just too bad for high tier gameplay and we should embrace the fact that he stays at lower tiers.

And how does this invalidate his opinion that CV are OP and manual drops should go? Ofc that's partially silly but your answer is, too.

I do not share his opinion and want to see a more punishing and team-depending gameplay but the player base is just too ignorant for that to work.

Also two "wrongs" don't make a right  - and since those MM changes and the nerf to AFT, Murmansk isn't that much of a clubber anymore. In fact clubbers use t3,4 ships nowadays

 

i do not get why peoples cry and not eaven try endgame?....

 

Again, I don't see the connection to the OP here...

 

Having some pleb CV on your team and a great player on the other is indeed kinda frustrating. Ever played vs strangers123 in ranked? CV are very powerful and require your whole team to counter them effectively.

Which ofc very rarely happens, more so in ranked tho - thus both matches vs him were quite close and enjoyable defeats with him being the decisive factor.

The high skill ceiling of CV and the fact that teamwork can counter them to an extent are indeed valid problems when it comes to balancing this class, it's just not the arty clone many expect.

[Gudgeon]

Yes 48% of my games are in Cruisers......definite seal clubber material in the most vulnerable class in the game. Oh as said before, the Murmansk, as recommended by lots of Pro youtubers is a credit grinder. 

[Dominico]

As a Destroyer the carrier should be causing you little to no problems.

 

First off his torpedoes should be easily avoided. Even cross drops are not impossible to avoid but in the match if you notice the carrier is after you fall back.

 

You can either get off radar entirely and try to hunt him down or fall back to allies and close support them. You have to adapt your game.

 

Also I have noticed any game where a carrier spends his time trying to get me in warspite, cruisers or destroyers he becomes less useful than a regular ship as his damage output is tiny. I got cross dropped in warspite and only ate 1 torp.

 

The carrier player who is keeping you spotted is doing a great job but, if you stay out of range and vision of guns he is still wasting his time. I know it can be frustrating but look at these rare matches where you get a carrier player that is so good as a challenge.

 

Also try asking your team for airpower. You will be suprised at how often they will send some planes. Good luck.

[aboomination]

As a Destroyer the carrier should be causing you little to no problems.

 

 

 

CV are the only class that can and will harass DD without any problems. I don't pick defensive fire over speed boost for no reason.

[Jackobite]

Iv posted this so long ago its worth it (to me) to repeat it,

Nothing wrong with Cv its always the range at which they drop that make my blood boil.

 

@op on the example given its been my belief that MM decides in advance who is going to win. not saying thats right its just how I feel.