Bismarck or Tirpitz

[Bortasqu]

 

Afaik 12.3km is the best you can do in either ship. Apart from that this is really enough to give many a cruiser a nasty surprise.

 

Bismarck for aggressive pushes even against smoke (DD, RN CL). Go right in, start the fireworks at ~10.6km and see the enemy flock scatter (even works without manual secondaries skill).

 

Tirpitz is better suited for stand-off fights or in one-on-one situations like rushing down bow-on campers.

 

There is no clearly 'better' one. Due to hydro and secondary module vs torps and accuracy module they play rather different.

 

 

At work, couldn't check stats but w/e.

 

Tirputz master race.

[ScratxNeko]

I'd say Bismarck is generally better because it gets much more use out of those secondaries. But in the hands of an especially aggressive but smart captain (dumb aggression gets you killed, folks) the Tirpitz can do significantly better.

 

The main difference ends up being how often can you exploit having those magnificent torpedos over the steady damage and defensiveness those secondaries afford you.

[DreadRoberts]

Most players on this forum are aware i'm mostly a DD player, but i like to dabble with BB's sometimes

 

Having played both Bismarck and Tirpitz i'm not sure what other BB players consider is the best ship between the 2

 

Myself; i get better results with Tirpitz, yet Bismarck is so powerful

 

I don't own a Tirpitz, but kiting them just outside torp range with secondaries in my Bismark feels pretty OP

[Babykim]

Not only the Bismark hydro wil be nerfed, the new skill set makes the good old secondaries build impossible. Now basically, it is either secondaries, or the AA, or the maximum survivability. In 0.6.0, the Bismark will become less attractive relative to the Tirpitz. The question is: By how much?

[Gojuadorai]

Most players on this forum are aware i'm mostly a DD player, but i like to dabble with BB's sometimes

 

Having played both Bismarck and Tirpitz i'm not sure what other BB players consider is the best ship between the 2

 

Myself; i get better results with Tirpitz, yet Bismarck is so powerful

 

 

same here my results in the Tirps are better, yet the bismarck should be the better ship.

 

 thats why i rank them the following:

bismarck go to for ranked if i can play next season

tirp go to for normal battles  the money and extra free xp are just too good.

 

Not only the Bismark hydro wil be nerfed, the new skill set makes the good old secondaries build impossible. Now basically, it is either secondaries, or the AA, or the maximum survivability. In 0.6.0, the Bismark will become less attractive relative to the Tirpitz. The question is: By how much?

 

pro tip: dont waste 3 points on BFT

[Rozbrus]

Bismarck, without a doubt. I have both, got Tirp from a supercontainer and I have never seen a worse ship in the game. Totaly useless secondaries, torpedoes that you will use in one of twenty games, useless AA, shall I continue? Bismarck is better in every aspect. Hell it is even faster.

[Gojuadorai]

 got Tirp from a supercontainer and I have never seen a worse ship in the game. 

 

well its prob. a safe thing to ignore your postings from here on.....

[aboomination]

 

I don't own a Tirpitz, but kiting them just outside torp range with secondaries in my Bismark feels pretty OP

 

That's not the Bismarck being OP - that's the Tirpitz' Captain being a fool.

[Rozbrus]

 

well its prob. a safe thing to ignore your postings from here on.....

 

Yeah sure, because I do not have every BB line up to tier 8 to compare. Wait, actually I do, nevermind. And yes, Bismarck is so much better that I do not understand why should someone waste money on a Tirpitz. Next time, try to use some argument please.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Tirp has excellent armour, torpedoes, good concealment, the guns are perfectly serviceable and will do their job.

 

Has no real weaknesses other than it's not a sniper.

 

 

[krautjaeger]

Both ships are lovely and I love them equally for what I use them for. If I'm in a Bismarck I'm not afraid to chase DDs or CRs that stray within 10.6km, and in Tirpitz while not going toe-to-toe with DDs the torpedoes does nicely when you want to surprise CRs you know is behind and island or just when something pops out from behind one and you just unload the rack in to it or going in close to brawl with another BB and you got 6.8 km range on secondaries and 6.0km torps. Both ships are great.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Bismarck is stronger without question.....ships are the same with only difference torps and secondaryies.

 

And it is much easier to use secondaries in match (10.6 km fire that can not be dodget vs 6 km torps that can be dodget).....torps are so situational and ussualy you will not have ships in your 6 km range

[Widar_Thule]

 

Do not buy the “Tirpitz”! Do not buy the Prinz Eugen! You will be financially ripped off by WOWS if you do, compared to other Tier 8 (battle)ships and compared to other Premium (battle)ships in their respective Tiers. I bought the Premium “Tirpitz” in January 2016 for 70+ Euros. I bought the Premium battleship “Tirpitz” because of my interest in real world historical naval warships in general, and also because of my interest in the real world “Tirpitz” in particular. Compared to other Tier 8 battleships “Tirpitz” is underperforming and especially when compared to “Bismarck.

 

I am not interested in making credits (silver doubloons), nor in “unlocking” ships which do not interest me, nor in getting (Free) Experience Points, nor in “training” commanders for other ships etcetera. If I really want a historical ship in WOWS, then I want it out of interest in their real world equivalents and then I will buy it with real world money since I rather spend my time playing historical ships in WOWS which interest me. I do not want to use a ship in WOWS only because it has “good” statistics in WOWS compared to other ships. I choose a ship for historical reasons and personal interest. Ships need to be balanced in a fair manner compared to its WOWS Tier and Premium equivalents however and also be authentic (= conforming to an original so as to reproduce essential features) in my opinion. The WOWS “Tirpitz” is currently neither balanced fairly nor presented in an authentic manner, but the other WOWS Premiums are presented in an authentic manner and are even superior to in their respective Tiers.

 

Based on my 1200+ PVP matches in “Tirpitz” and my in-game experience, I am of the opinion that in “Tirpitz” versus “Bismarck” duels at all ranges I would say “Bismarck” is superior to “Tirpitz” given commanders of equal skill in both ships. By the time “Bismarck” is in torpedo range of “Tirpitz”, the “Bismarck” medium artillery already has done a lot of damage and started several fires. A good “Bismarck” commander will also now how to zigzag to avoid the “Tirpitz” torpedoes unless they are fired at roughly 3 Km or less range. There is however no way to evade the longer range “Bismarck” medium artillery. Also the “Bismarck” heavy artillery seems to do more damage. This also seems to be supported by some statistics which float around online:

 

 

Based on the above data “Bismarck” in WOWS not only heavily OUTPERFORMS “Tirpitz”, but even worse “Tirpitz” is INFERIOR to all other Tier 8 battleships in the key areas of damage inflicted and kill/death ratio! Even more remarkable is that “Bismarck” heavy artillery is on average significantly more accurate than that of “Tirpitz” with a main battery hit rate of 28% to 24%. When one considers that the Premium “Tirpitz” has cost most players on average 70+ Euros (from 45 to 120 Euros depending on the package selected) it is not only amazing how inferior “Tirpitz” is to “Bismarck” but also a bloody disgrace and a blatant financial rip off by WOWS.

 

To add insult to injury “Bismarck” in WOWS gets a “Hydro Acoustic Search” consumable which “Tirpitz” does not get. With the Premium USS Missouri it is the other way round, like it is with the Premium “Atago”, those two ships get a consumable (respectively “Surveillance Radar” and “Repair Party”) which their line/tree equivalents (“Iowa”/”Mogami”) do NOT get. But with “Tirpitz” it is the other way round where its Tier 8 line equivalent (“Bismarck”) not only out-ranges “Tirpitz” even though it actually has THE EXACT SAME medium artillery and heavy Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) but “Bismarck” ALSO has a “Hydro Acoustics Search” consumable which “Tirpitz” does not get. What is interesting to note is that “Tirpitz” in real life had special medium artillery “burst” ammunition later in the war which allowed “Tirpitz” to use its medium artillery (12x 15 cm) in the Anti-Aircraft role, something which “Bismarck” could not do because of sinking in 1941.

 

In real life “Bismarck”, ”Tirpitz”, “Scharnhorst”, “Prinz Eugen” etc. had several state of the art “Hydro Acoustic Search” devices on board. They had two (one port and one starboard) passive underwater listening devices called “Gruppenhorchgerät” (GHG), which could detect torpedoes and the sound of ship propellers to a maximum range of up till 40 km (!) and they allowed the ships to safely evade torpedoes if they were fired up till 2,000 meters range from the ship. As a backup for the GHG there was the passive underwater listening device “Navigationshorchgerät” (NHG) which also allowed the ships to safely evade torpedoes if they were fired up till 2,000 meters range. Finally “Bismarck”, ”Tirpitz”, “Scharnhorst”, “Prinz Eugen” had the active underwater detection device (sonar) “Sonderfernsteueranlage” (S-Anlage) which was specifically created for Kriegsmarine heavy cruisers and battleships. So in no way was “Tirpitz” inferior to “Bismarck” in “Hydro Acoustic Search” devices. Aircraft torpedoes incidentally were generally preferred to be released 1,000 to 500 meters from the target ship by the torpedo aircraft.

 

“Bismarck” in 1941 had three gunnery computer linked FuMO Geräte (radars) which had a range of up till 25 km against sea targets. “Tirpitz” by 1944 had gunnery computer linked FuMO Geräte (radars) with a maximum range of up till 44 km against sea targets and additionally a special FuMO Gerät (radar) for aircraft detection up till 250 km range. Both ships had “blind” fire capability due to their advanced radars and gunnery computers. If anything, the “Tirpitz” was more modern and advanced than “Bismarck” however.

 

So with all Premium WOWS battleships you are rewarded with something extra but with the Premium “Tirpitz” you are punished with INFERIOR medium artillery and AAA Damage Per Second and inferior consumable capability. This is outrageous because in effect WOWS punishes its Premium “Tirpitz” buyers who have spent on average 70+ Euros by making the line/tree Tier 8 equivalent “Bismarck” superior. In contrast it rewards all WOWS Premium USA battleship buyers by making the USA Premium battleships SUPERIOR to the USA line/tree equivalents.

 

In fact EVERY Premium battleship in WOWS outperforms its national line counterpart EXCEPT for “Tirpitz”. This is not only a slap in the face for all those WOWS customers who bought “Tirpitz” for on average 70+ Euros, but also ridiculous because the 1941 commissioned “Tirpitz” was faster, significantly larger, more modern, better equipped, in some areas even better armoured than the 1940 commissioned “Bismarck”. The “Tirpitz” was the largest battleship ever built in Europe and looking at its equipment state the most advanced, in WOWS it finishes last in Tier 8 behind its older sister “Bismarck” however.

 

It gets even worse for “Tirpitz”. For example ALL USA Premium battleships and even the British Premium battleship (Warspite) in WOWS are ALL given their end WW2 (1944-1945) equipment state, most specifically and most notably their Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) armament EXCEPT for “Tirpitz”. Take for example the 1914 (!) commissioned Premium Tier 5 USA battleship “USS Texas”. That Premium ship has the AAA equipment state of 1945! If you look up every USA and British battleship it is quite clear that their equipment state is generally based on what they historically had in 1944+.

 

Instead the WOWS “Tirpitz” is in sort of a hybrid 1941-1942 equipment state, meaning its Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) is based on roughly the 1941-1942 equipment state. So "Tirpitz" on purpose is given a huge disadvantage compared to the USA and British Premium battleships and even compared to its line/tree equivalent “Bismarck”. Since “Tirpitz” in WOWS mostly faces Tier 8, 9 and 10 battles it means that more often than not its Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) cannot deal as effective with enemy aircraft as the WOWS “Bismarck”. This is even more ridiculous from an authenticity point of view since no real world battleship, or ship for that matter, ever endured more aircraft attacks directed to it personally and beat them off successfully for years AND additionally shot down more aircraft in the process than any other (battle)ship in history.

 

If “Tirpitz” did one thing in the war, it was shoot down a lot of aircraft and did so while being mostly alone and WITHOUT having the added Anti-Aircraft Artillery protection provided by other warships which for example the USA, Japanese and British battleships all had. To further add insult to injury the WOWS “Bismarck” has superior Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) capability compared to the Premium “Tirpitz” due to the “Bismarck” hull upgrade which gives “Bismarck” a complete fantasy late-war AAA equipment state which in WOWS is superior to the 1941-1942 AAA equipment of the WOWS “Tirpitz”. The real world 1944 “Tirpitz” however had an AAA capability which no other German battleship ever remotely matched or exceeded, least of all the real world “Bismarck”. It would be more than balanced, appropriate and authentic if WOWS development gave the “Tirpitz” the same authentic late-war (1944) equipment state which they have given to EVERY WOWS Premium USA and British battleship.

 

To give “Tirpitz” an appropriate authentic representation in WOWS its Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) would have to be upgraded to the authentic 1944 equipment status. In real life a total of 26 (!) Allied air attacks were launched against the real world “Tirpitz” by well over 1,101 (!) Allied aircraft. Those 1,101 Allied aircraft only managed to score about 21 hits on "Tirpitz". The Allies admitted the loss of at least 37 aircraft to the generally solitary “Tirpitz”. In times of war the governmental policy on reporting losses/victories as used by the Allies was to generally exaggerate (double or more) enemy losses and under-report their own losses. The “Tirpitz” never received any friendly fighter aircraft support during all these air attacks, except for one time from one of its own floatplane fighter aircraft.

 

Here some more WOWS comparisons, note that the Premium (USA) battleships generally ALL SIGNIFICANTLY OUTPERFORM their line/tree USA equivalents in terms of damage inflicted, kill/death ratio and heavy artillery accuracy (MBH). All Premiums perform better EXCEPT for the Premium “Tirpitz” which finishes last and which is the most expensive of them all and also the most sold Premium in WOWS.

 

Tier 5: Premium “USS Texas” outperforms line/tree “USS New York” and indeed all other Tier 5 battleships.

 

 

Tier 6: Premium “USS Arizona” outperforms line/tree “USS New Mexico” and indeed all other Tier 6 battleships.

 

 

Tier 7: Premium “Scharnhorst” outperforms line/tree “Gneisenau” and indeed all other Tier 7 battleships.

 

 

Tier 8: line/tree “Bismarck” outperforms Premium “Tirpitz” and indeed all other Tier 8 battleships.

 

(SEE THE FIRST IMAGE IN THIS POST)

 

Tier 9: Premium “Missouri” outperforms line/tree “Iowa” and indeed all other Tier 9 battleships.

 

 

I also own the Premium “Scharnhorst” and even though I have played only about 200+ PVP matches in her, my “Scharnhorst” statistics are also better than those of my “Tirpitz”. Even though I am much more experienced in my WOWS “Tirpitz” than in my WOWS “Scharnhorst”, I do better with “Scharnhorst”, sink more ships with her and most importantly of all have more fun with “Scharnhorst” than with “Tirpitz”. This is in no small part due to WOWS Development deliberately making the “Tirpitz” the worst performing Premium battleship due to small but consistent successive nerfs and not implementing buffs which other battleships have received ("Bismarck" et al). Just compare this with how Premium “USS Missouri” is made superior to line/tree “USS Iowa for example in so many subtle ways.

 

So instead of “Pay To Win”, with Premium “Tirpitz” in WOWS it is “Pay To Lose” in terms of damage inflicted and kill/death ratio thanks to WOWS Development, this becomes clear when “Tirpitz” is statistically compared to the preferential treatment ALL the other WOWS Premium battleships have received compared to their line/tree equivalents.

 

What authentic and fair changes in January 2017 would make “Tirpitz” both authentic and worth the averaged 70 Euros players pay for it in WOWS compared to “Bismarck”:

 

• Give “Tirpitz” AT LEAST the same gunnery accuracy in WOWS as “Bismarck” has now, although better accuracy for "Tirpitz" would be authentic and appropriate based on the real world “Tirpitz” WW2 German Kriegsmarine Artillerie Versuch Kommados (AVK) gunnery training reports of 1942-1944. Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri” is more accurate than the line/tree “Iowa” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

• Give “Tirpitz” the same range for its medium artillery and AAA etc. as the WOWS “Bismarck” since these 15 cm and 10.5 cm weapons were the exact same on both ships in real life. Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri” has superior weapon characteristics than the similarly equipped line/tree “Iowa” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

• Give “Tirpitz” one extra consumable slot like “Bismarck” with “Hydro Acoustic Search” since they both had the same “Hydro Acoustic Seach” equipment in real life. Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri” has the same number of consumables as the similarly equipped line/tree “Iowa” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

• Give “Tirpitz” a 1.2 knot speed increase to 31.7 knots. In WOWS “Tirpitz” (30.5 knots) now is un-authentically slower than “Bismarck” (31 knots), whereas in real life “Tirpitz” was actually faster than “Bismarck”. Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri” is also faster than the line/tree “Iowa” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

• Upgrade the “Tirpitz” to 1944 equipment status like has also been done for ALL WOWS British and USA Tier 5 to 9 Premium battleships. This for example means increasing the current AAA capability of “Tirpitz” from the current 8x2 105mm, 12x1 20mm, 8x4 20mm, 8x2 37mm, to the 1944 AAA equipment state of 6x2 150mm (which used special AAA burst ammunition), 8x2 105mm, 8x1 20mm,  18x4 20mm,  8x2 37mm. Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri”/”Texas” also have superior AAA capability than the line/tree “Iowa”/”New York” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

• Give “Tirpitz” the better horizontal armour protection she had in real life compared to “Bismarck”. In real life the “Tirpitz” deck (weather deck) around the turrets and above the magazines was 80mm thick, not the 50mm which it is in WOWS currently. In real life only the deck (weather deck) above the turbines/boilers was 50mm thick. That means that at least 65% of the deck (weather deck) above the citadel was 80mm in real life and not the 50mm it is now in WOWS. The citadel deck (armoured deck) of “Tirpitz” was 100mm above the turbines, not the 80mm which it is in WOWS currently. (Note: The citadel deck (armoured deck) of “Tirpitz” in real life was 100mm above the magazines, which currently correctly also is 100mm in WOWS above the magazines, so no need for changes there.) Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri” also has better armour protection than the line/tree “Iowa” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

 

• Correct the current mistake in the WOWS “Bismarck” horizontal armour protection. The real life the “Bismarck”” deck (weather deck) around the turrets and above the magazines was 80mm thick, not the 50mm which it is in WOWS currently. In real life only the deck (weather deck) above the turbines/boilers was 50mm. That means that at least 65% of the deck (weather deck) above the citadel was 80mm in real life and not the 50mm it is now in WOWS. The citadel deck (armoured deck) of “Bismarck” in real life was 95mm above the turbines, not the 80mm which it is in WOWS currently. The citadel deck (armoured deck) of “Bismarck” in real life was 95mm above the magazines, not the 100mm which it is in WOWS currently. Since the Premium WOWS “Missouri” also has better armour protection than the line/tree “Iowa” this cannot be a problem either for “Tirpitz”.

 

 

A lot of the real world "Tirpitz" and "Bismarck" data can be found in the many venerable books written by Gerhard Koop, Klaus-Peter Schmolke and Siegfried Breyer who were additionally also either former Kriegsmarine members or related to them. In addition to these authors there are more recent books written by Robert Gehringer, Antonio Bonomi (http://bismarck-tirpitz.com/) and John Asmussen (http://www.bismarck-class.dk/). From Amsussen’s site comes this top down image of the July 1944 Armament layout of “Tirpitz”:

 

 

A 1944 WOWS “Tirpitz” would require some visual updates of the 3D-modell as well in order for her to look like the real world 1944 “Tirpitz”. That means that in addition to the above 1944 AAA armament layout, “Tirpitz” would need to have the FuMO 212/213 “Würzburg D” (aircraft detection radar) installed, which in real life had a 250 km aircraft detection range. Needless to say the FuMo 212/213 would only be a "Tirpitz" visual 3D-model update without any actual in-game game-play advantages:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Interesting analysis on the RL Tirp.

 

However your in game stats are invalid.

 

There were a huge amount of simply clueless people who bought the Tirpitz and went straight into T8 games without any experience. That's done awful things for its stats.

 

The ship herself is awesomely strong in game, look at how the top 25% perform in it for it's true ability...

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Bismarck has shredding secondaries (hence brawling at close-ish range is a breeze), but Tirpitz has torpedoes.

 

Bismarck secondaries = 10 km range

Tripitz torpedoes = 6 km range

Stay 7+ km away from Tripitz and wreck it...

 

Bismarck > Tripitz

[Dropman12]

Im kinda suprised how many people stress only secondaries on Bismarck...looks like its Bism secondaries vs Tirpitz torps...which is not fair. The biggest asset od Bismarck is hydro, no doubt. Secondaries are far less usefull than its credited for. Sure it will help in brawl, but its hydro what makes Bism so great. Honestly NC is better suited for pushing, but if you try it you either run into torps or you are forced to hard break...which is basically the end. Bismarck can and will avoid torps with ease while applying pressure on enemy team where Tirpitz will have huge problems. I dont think you would charge into smoked DD with Tirpitz. You can easily do it in Bismarck...

 

My point is that you should not only compare their close combat ability but also if and how they can abuse it...

[ScratxNeko]

The Tirpitz's stats are hobbled by Derpitzes bringing it down.

 

If you have a Bismarck/Amagi/North Carolina, odds are you at least know how to shoot and use your rudder... the same cannot be said of any Tirpitz you see sailing.

[Venom_Too]

A bit more detailed answer of me:

 

If its 1on1 Tirp vs Bismarck. Bismarck win's, simply by the fact she is the faster of the two sisters.

 

According to the MM:

 

If you are Low Tier Tirpitz is the better ship.

If you are High Tier they are pretty much the same. Only Bismarck is a bit easier cause of her 10.6 km Secondaries.

 

So all in all, they are both potent.

But i give the Edge Tirpitz, simply for the fact in randoms she will be the better ship, because her torpdeos are more potent as low tier ship as the secondaries of the Bismarck.

[Barkyro]

To keep it short. I don't have the Bismark yet but I do have the Tirpitz. Personally I dont think the almost 4k extra secondary range does wonders as you can get the Tirpitz secondaries to go out to almost 7 km withe the secondary build and you can reduce detect to almost 12 km. Add torps to that and consider that the GER BB's are close - mid ranged fighters the Tirpitz comes up in front due to the torpedoes.  

[_FTD_]

Bismarck not even close.

[Bmsrt]

Derpitz was my first T8BB...well it was my first T8 ship too...just like a true tomato-WalettWarrior!

Somehow its worked out for me:

 

NC&Bismarck was full stock to elite grind.

On Amagi I free Xp-d the B-hull,rest is grinded regular way.

 

(yeah,im probably the minority there)

Got baited to buy when it "came back" at the shop,then it was still a limited time-offer ship...tought now or maybe never.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Im kinda suprised how many people stress only secondaries on Bismarck...looks like its Bism secondaries vs Tirpitz torps...which is not fair. The biggest asset od Bismarck is hydro, no doubt. Secondaries are far less usefull than its credited for. Sure it will help in brawl, but its hydro what makes Bism so great. Honestly NC is better suited for pushing, but if you try it you either run into torps or you are forced to hard break...which is basically the end. Bismarck can and will avoid torps with ease while applying pressure on enemy team where Tirpitz will have huge problems. I dont think you would charge into smoked DD with Tirpitz. You can easily do it in Bismarck...

 

 

My point is that you should not only compare their close combat ability but also if and how they can abuse it...

Hydro is nerfed next patch. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Derpitz was my first T8BB...well it was my first T8 ship too...just like a true tomato-WalettWarrior!

Somehow its worked out for me:

 

NC&Bismarck was full stock to elite grind.

On Amagi I free Xp-d the B-hull,rest is grinded regular way.

 

(yeah,im probably the minority there)

Got baited to buy when it "came back" at the shop,then it was still a limited time-offer ship...tought now or maybe never.

Tirpitz is still excellent ship. Great trainer. Great monekymaker and overal great ship. No need for "regret"

 

P.s. and he also will never feel nerfbat

[Migulaitor]

 

There were a huge amount of simply clueless people who bought the Tirpitz and went straight into T8 games without any experience. That's done awful things for its stats.

 

The ship herself is awesomely strong in game, look at how the top 25% perform in it for it's true ability...

 

No no, just look at the stats, tirpitz needs some buffs, better AA, hydro, secondaries and speed should be almost fine, maybe also better concealment or smoke to hide like IRL.

[Barkyro]

 

No no, just look at the stats, tirpitz needs some buffs, better AA, hydro, secondaries and speed should be almost fine, maybe also better concealment or smoke to hide like IRL.

 

)))))) Well hydro seems ok but please dont add all the rest. Already have a Belfast dont need a second one