Return of XVM?

[loppantorkel]

I really do not get that hate of XVM. All it does is that it shows how f*ucked up the MM is. Today I managed to get 15 battles with a great WR of 33.33% Would I have the XVM, I could quit all those games with imbeciles in my team and save time and nerves. And before someone starts about how he would punish those who escape, what difference does it make when some cretin who can barely press W ruins game after game for others? Where is the punishment for him?

I'm pretty sure this tactic would hurt your WR. Just plain stupid in the end when better players than you start quitting your games.

[Earl_of_Northesk]

First of all, there is no evidence here that it is back, so calm down.

Second of all, who the f*ck cares...

But please, let's not redo all that discussions again.

[xCaptainObviousx]

First of all, there is no evidence here that it is back, so calm down.

Second of all, who the f*ck cares...

But please, let's not redo all that discussions again.

 

That sounds like something an proto-XVM user would say 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

That sounds like something an proto-XVM user would say 

 

As a ST, I keep my game mod free, so my bug reports are free from interference by those 

[Venatacia]

The problem with XVM is that people troll based upon it and force new players out of the game.

 

no new players = dyeing game.

 

I had so much negative comments while recently learning to play WOT I just stopped playing because it wasn't fun - my stats in WoWs a couple of thousand games ago would have attracted the same BS, I improved and am now a good team-mate.

 

XVM sounds like a good idea, the problem is alot of people using it aren't all that bright.

 

​New players force the older players out. Only soo much you can take before you have enough of their newbie tactics.

[lezantas26]

First of all, there is no evidence here that it is back, so calm down.

Second of all, who the f*ck cares...

But please, let's not redo all that discussions again.

 

many care, if you dont you are free to not participate in the discussion. care the steps in your way out

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

many care, if you dont you are free to not participate in the discussion. care the steps in your way out

 

It is and always was an overstated problem. Even in WoT, where it is apparently the root of all evil, ho often do you actually see people using that information to insult people in chat etc? Yeah, rarely, veeeery rarely. And those who do that are already doing that here as well, they just use a browser and a second monitor...

[lezantas26]

 

It is and always was an overstated problem. Even in WoT, where it is apparently the root of all evil, ho often do you actually see people using that information to insult people in chat etc? Yeah, rarely, veeeery rarely. And those who do that are already doing that here as well, they just use a browser and a second monitor...

 

in wot, tomato is a "dictionary" word by now, so i am not sure how you concluded people dont use that information to insult people. and as i said, sniping the good players degrades the experience for them, even i did it in wot. i mean its obvious, you want your team to win the game, so you want your actions to have the biggest influence possibly, so you go and put shot after shot to the purple/blue/green player.

information is power, and power is often used for "not that good" purposes

[xCaptainObviousx]

 

As a ST, I keep my game mod free, so my bug reports are free from interference by those 

 

No worries, I'm just pulling your leg.

[Eviscerador]

Are you worried about XVM? I have the solution for you!

 

Are you afraid that you will be focused every game because of your Über stats? Play cruisers! being bad, or good it doesn't matter! Everyone and their mothers will focus you at the moment you are spotted! Feel good while you see those 4 BB guns training their turrets at you to get juicy lol pens and citadels when you are angled, even if they have an enemy BB sailing broadside at 8 km from them!

 

Then you will have BB players complaining that they don't delete you from one salvo because you can actually dodge or angle your ship. HOW YOU DARE!! (this actually happened me yesterday, a Tirpitz player complaining that he was getting over pens and bounces from my hard angled Zao)

[mtm78]

this actually happened me yesterday, a Tirpitz player complaining that he was getting over pens and bounces from my hard angled Zao

 

Zao is broken, it can start fires and invisi fire on my precious battleship, this is unhistorical and should be changed asap. Any cruiser which are hit by my shells should detonate, because that's a fun and engaging game mechanic, unlike he+fire spam from invisible DD's/CA's/CL's ( mhm.. even Yamato can invisi fire with range upgrade and spotter plane iirc.. so remove that to! ).

 

 

edit: just for more multi kek -> ( was reminded yesterday that this thing still works and I reinstalled it just to post the screenshot )

 

 

[_FTD_]

Honestly just a matter of time until its common. "Deal with it" has to be the attitude here I guess, already more than familiar with it from Tanks so ain't a big deal. At least there is no Arty that can focus you all game long without a counter to it :>

[mtm78]

The thing is, at least for me, XVM in wot has proven to be more reliable then statistics in WoWs. In WoT when I see division of purple T54's I know they a> shoot full heat and b> they have sufficient map knowledge to be in positions where their ships are the strongest ( hull down ). 

 

With WoWs map position doesn't make ships invulnerable, you can always damage anyone. While this might not be as true in competive play where flanks are usually secured and if threatened whole team rotes, in randoms you can flank bow tanking / ' side scraping '  BB's or spray them with HE, you can always shoot at smoke clouds and there is no ship which is shear untouchable in certain map locations. Correct me if I'm wrong

 

When XVM for WoWs was working and I had it installed, I noticed my own results going down instead of up, because I was making to many assumptions based on players statistical performance. Purple divisions getting killed by a bunch of red's were not really an exception, it takes just one wrong turn from a cruiser to get a one way ticket to the ocean floor, or a DD can be caught sitting at a bad angle in a smoke cloud and eat torps and so on. 

 

The same guy who told me yesterday that stats tool of which I posted the screenshot above still works, also told me it only is really useful in deciding which targets to engage given equal opportunity. But there isn't much benefit from this imho as most good players are good players because they don't give this equal opportunity. 

[Lieut_Gruber]

I dont get this dicussion. Many times i have seen players defend mods because of the arguement that "the data it shows, is already available in the game, its just easier to see". Player stats are always visible, unless hidden. I only have to ALT-TAB my game, type a name and i got his stats. During the countdown of a match me and my friends often check out enemy or friendly players.

 

WG decides that we are able to see each others statistics, so blame WG for the toxic chat. And by the way, people dont get angry on players with bad stats, they get angry on players who play bad in their eyes.

[EdiJo]

I only have to ALT-TAB my game, type a name and i got his stats.

 

Welcome to reality, where 1/3 of the team has problem with LOADING THE GAME and they are more than a minute late (even despite usually 30+ seconds delay before the game starts). 

Alt-Tab and loading the browser in the background would kill their toasters. 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

 

in wot, tomato is a "dictionary" word by now, so i am not sure how you concluded people dont use that information to insult people. and as i said, sniping the good players degrades the experience for them, even i did it in wot. i mean its obvious, you want your team to win the game, so you want your actions to have the biggest influence possibly, so you go and put shot after shot to the purple/blue/green player.

information is power, and power is often used for "not that good" purposes

 

Here, it is "potatoe". So?

Also, there are ways of playing around that, I'm very much used to be focused in test ships. Annoying, but you will still get brilliant results because the enemy ignores more obvious things. Shooting a really good player first generally isn't a good idea as he will most likely know to cope with that, making "room" for the other players in his team.

[Eviscerador]

 

Here, it is "potatoe". So?

Also, there are ways of playing around that, I'm very much used to be focused in test ships. Annoying, but you will still get brilliant results because the enemy ignores more obvious things. Shooting a really good player first generally isn't a good idea as he will most likely know to cope with that, making "room" for the other players in his team.

 

QFT.

 

When I play BB I usually don't try to fire at cruisers or BB who knows how to angle or wiggle, or the ones that are paying attention and start moving the moment they see you training your turrets at them.

 

You prey on the easy targets, and then overwhelm the skilled guys. That is how it works.

[Phlogistoned]

I really do not get that hate of XVM.

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Would I have the XVM, I could quit all those games with imbeciles in my team and save time and nerves.

THIS is but one of the reasons why people hate XVM. What of the people in your team who tried fighting, but lost because of you, you AFK-hole.

[Mr_Tayto]

Killed WoT for me. Not only did I become a slave to 'improving' myself through stat analysis, it also made visible the machination of the effing awful matchmaking and convinced me of the normalisation of win rates - i.e. if you're too good for randoms but not good enough to carry an entire team, you will effectively be made to lose roughly half of your games. Haven't seen too many 12-0 games on ships yet, and I really don't want to know either.