Return of XVM?

[_ramrus_]

I'd rather they fix the ship comparison. It was working for me, but with the IJN DD split patch it broke. Info on enemy CV setup is only one I need at start of battle.

I'm affraid if XVM became popular I would get more hack smack in chat and CV's would just not engage me, and I need them to feed me planes to get clear sky.

[Leo_Apollo11]

Hi all,

 

Here we go again......

 

off to 20+ pages of the same stuff you could read in 1.528.632 threads over the past 5 years.

 

 

I really don't need XVM to see how bad teams are lately...

 

 

Leo "Apollo11"

[xCaptainObviousx]

I would really like to have XVM in wows.

Not sure why you guys are so upset about it because it would just make life easier.

 

Without it i constantly have to watch my teammates to know of what caliber they are. If i know from the start what to expect one can concentrate on your own playstyle instead of constantly adjusting because you´re unsure.

 

Why the heck isn´t someone doing this as a 3rd party directx overlay screen display, it´s above me.

App would just have to search the databases for names and display smthg. on the screen.

 

I want it really bad.

 

I can tell you why I dislike XVM.

 

Many a years ago I played World of Tanks. I liked the game and played it A LOT. Playing a lot and not being completely mindless means that you'll become pretty good at what you do and makes you want to become even better. One easy way to become better is to use whatever tools there are to help you make decisions so naturally I used XVM.

XVM showed me that there was a score that reflected how good you are on average and that it's fun to make it into a bigger number. In the beginning it was all fun and games since XVM required quiet a bit of tinkering to work so it was quiet rare to run into another user but when the mod reached the stage where you no longer had to install some shady database tool and separate .exe every bob and his dog started using it.

Suddenly I found myself being hounded by the entire enemy team, every game. Players on my team started doing stupid sh*t because "blue/purple player will carry so I can do whatever I want", players on the enemy team started doing stupid sh*t because "kill that one guy and it's an ez win". However you looked at it, normal play wasn't going to happen anymore.

 

I'm not one to quit easily so I endured and kept playing until real life happened; I no longer had the energy to play good so I decided to take a break. The short break turned into a quiet long break and I was away for several years. During this time the game changed and I forgot a lot about how to play properly, I'm no longer a good WoT player.

 

I can live with not being a good player, I'm one of many. Sadly XVM doesn't know this, it still shows me as a 2800 WN8 player so I STILL get hounded, my team STILL expects me to carry 5x my own weight. I find it impossible to get back into the game because I'm being chased by half the enemy team, being spammed by sprem shells all game long. I just want to play the game, learning how to play again just like any other player but XVM makes this impossible.

 

I hate XVM because it's keeping me from enjoying a game I love due to how it influences other players based on inaccurate data.

[BadGene616]

Dunno on this one. I've never bailed on a game of wot or wows in my life.

 

Instances where xvm would be useful:

Last night, turned my Hindenburg around to try and give cover to a gk who was lagging at the back when the rest of the team was moving to a and b cap.

 

Instead of attempting to evade the enemy, or to angle, or to do anything which would have got him out of the scrape, he stopped. And died. I got chopped up for going back.

 

Checked his stats after the game, you guessed it, the worst shade of tomato.

 

Yes I'm a terrible person and yes I'd have left him to die alone if I'd known that before. But I'd have had a better game and who knows it might have been less one sided at the end.

 

Other instances is seeing a truly good player and following, learning from them. This is invaluable.

 

Yes there are down sides, but has been referenced earlier, any player in the right ship at the right time can have a great game. Even Unicum players expect to lose 4 out of 10.

[zFireWyvern]

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Troll account or not, he's not wrong.

[True_Winterfeld]

I love the "so I can see who..." argument. Its BS! You see at the start what you can expect of your team most of the times. The ones the form a lemming train are only good as meat shields. The ones the drive to the opposit side of the map at the start are only good as meat shields. The DDs that avoid caps (Russian DD excluded in certain situations) are only good as meat shields. The BBs that dont move are only good as meat shields. And so on and so forth.

 

So, I will never ever install a BS tool that shows me how red my team is and enjoy the possible surprise. BTW, yes, Iam also only an average Joe!

 

PS And I bet its the usual loudmouths who will install it first, when/if possible. The ones that do nothing for their team but cry the most and complain the loudest.

[BCHood]

 

So, I will never ever install a BS tool that shows me how red my team is and enjoy the possible surprise. BTW, yes, Iam also only an average Joe!

Nicely put. All said goes for me as well. 

[aboomination]

So this is why I get focused a lot lately 

 

#blamexvm

 

I could use XVM in certain situations, for example when deciding if I have good enough backup for advanced tactics like pushing.

But overall- no thx, it ruined WoT.

[Cyclops_]

My two penneth, BAN MODS, that will sort it :-)

 

[aboomination]

 BAN MODS

 

 

That horse is rotten.

WG's devs need the modding scene to provide ideas that improve their crappy UI 

Feels like Aslain's modpack was the source of 90% of the improvements in that regard since launch.

[robihr]

 

 

So,you mean we shouldn't talk about such a toxic and harmful threat?

 

 

 

 

only toxic and harmful threat to this game is RPF...

[ScratxNeko]

The possibility of XVM even being around is why I have my stats hidden, unless you use the link in my signature.

 

Thanks for reminding me and heading off any thought of reviewing my decision!

[waxx25]

XVM is hardly needed. there are some basics truths in this game.

Any high tier dd (and most ships for that matter) without  camo is 99.9999% guaranteed to be useless.

Any high tier BB with HP boost skill is 99.999999999% potato.

Most people that ask, at start of match, "what is plan?" are guaranteed to be cowards and fail hard.

[NameChangingIsToExpensiv]

 

 

In WoT people were abandoning games or suiciding at the start of a match because of XVM.

 

And personally, i would never use it.

 

 

 

 

Well some do that in WoWs already, even without the XVM mod.

I've witnessed multiple times a Hiryu suiciding because he didn't want to play against a Saipan.

[Bortasqu]

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Only [edited] are against XVM. It's not like 99% of any other games online let's you inspect other peoples stats and bash you for them or anything...

 

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[GeneraIlKrizmuz]

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[lezantas26]

I would really like to have XVM in wows.

Not sure why you guys are so upset about it because it would just make life easier.

 

Without it i constantly have to watch my teammates to know of what caliber they are. If i know from the start what to expect one can concentrate on your own playstyle instead of constantly adjusting because you´re unsure.

 

Why the heck isn´t someone doing this as a 3rd party directx overlay screen display, it´s above me.

App would just have to search the databases for names and display smthg. on the screen.

 

I want it really bad.

 

well, in the slight chance you have a skilled teammate, he is going to be sniped instantly by CV

and while i am not skilled, back in wot i had the same wr and most of the time i was among the highest so i got the full attention of arty..

 

sure, in wows you can evade most damage from cv, but i dont see the fun part in being targeted the whole time

[DreadRoberts]

The problem with XVM is that people troll based upon it and force new players out of the game.

 

no new players = dyeing game.

 

I had so much negative comments while recently learning to play WOT I just stopped playing because it wasn't fun - my stats in WoWs a couple of thousand games ago would have attracted the same BS, I improved and am now a good team-mate.

 

XVM sounds like a good idea, the problem is alot of people using it aren't all that bright.

[200Years]

A few days ago I have created my own stats tool for windows, it's a bit slow because it uses demo application id.

If you create an application id for me at the developer section and then tell me the application id via pm I will send you the stats tool for free.

https://developers.wargaming.net/applications/

With an application id that works faster I can make the tool much more powerfull.

Currently it only shows player name, win rate and battles played.

 

(You will need a mobile phone, which I don't have, It will send an sms code and then you have to confirm it. I already tried it with virtual mobile phone number but that didn't work, maybe making new application id's is disabled ? Or I could try again, if you help me out I will help you out !)

 

I have been testing the tool out. I noticed I placed against stronger teams most of the time. Some people have -1 stats indicating hidden.

The first tactic I tried was: Attacked the strongest player, this was interesting. I am not sure if it lead to higher win rates since I used a ship that I didn't use as much as before.

Perhaps today I will try a tactic I read on a german website: Attack the weakest one.

 

Interesting stuff

[ScratxNeko]

A few days ago I have created my own stats tool for windows, it's a bit slow because it uses demo application id.

If you create an application id for me at the developer section and then tell me the application id via pm I will send you the stats tool for free.

https://developers.wargaming.net/applications/

With an application id that works faster I can make the tool much more powerfull.

Currently it only shows player name, win rate and battles played.

 

(You will need a mobile phone, which I don't have, It will send an sms code and then you have to confirm it. I already tried it with virtual mobile phone number but that didn't work, maybe making new application id's is disabled ? Or I could try again, if you help me out I will help you out !)

 

I have been testing the tool out. I noticed I placed against stronger teams most of the time. Some people have -1 stats indicating hidden.

The first tactic I tried was: Attacked the strongest player, this was interesting. I am not sure if it lead to higher win rates since I used a ship that I didn't use as much as before.

Perhaps today I will try a tactic I read on a german website: Attack the weakest one.

 

Interesting stuff

 

And you're demonstrating why many, if not most, of us absolutely loathe XVM and XVM-like tools. Thanks.

[200Years]

 

And you're demonstrating why many, if not most, of us absolutely loathe XVM and XVM-like tools. Thanks.

 

For me it's an experiment to see if it will allow me to reach 80% win rates like some of the people on this forum.

 

I think 80% win rate is very fishy ! LOL.

[Rozbrus]

I really do not get that hate of XVM. All it does is that it shows how f*ucked up the MM is. Today I managed to get 15 battles with a great WR of 33.33% Would I have the XVM, I could quit all those games with imbeciles in my team and save time and nerves. And before someone starts about how he would punish those who escape, what difference does it make when some cretin who can barely press W ruins game after game for others? Where is the punishment for him?

[mtm78]

 

For me it's an experiment to see if it will allow me to reach 80% win rates like some of the people on this forum.

 

I think 80% win rate is very fishy ! LOL.

 

2 ways - >

 

1. triple super unicum divisions
2. statpadding on low tiers in unicum+ divisions

 

Third way but unobtainable / unsustainable for all but a few -> playing solo and just being really good AND lucky. 

[Verdius]

 Or people are just dumb enough to believe a game is decided by WR only? 

 

[xCaptainObviousx]

I really do not get that hate of XVM. All it does is that it shows how f*ucked up the MM is. Today I managed to get 15 battles with a great WR of 33.33% Would I have the XVM, I could quit all those games with imbeciles in my team and save time and nerves. And before someone starts about how he would punish those who escape, what difference does it make when some cretin who can barely press W ruins game after game for others? Where is the punishment for him?

 

It would be fine if that was all it did. Sadly when the wonky MM is revealed to people who don't know how to handle that information it just makes everything worse.

 

Game with wonky MM 7/10

Game with wonky MM and XVM 2/10