[HNS] Sonic_157 Players 727 posts 18,147 battles Report post #1 Posted January 14, 2017 Hey guys.Something very strange (and potentially dangerous) happened to me last night.At the start of a match one of the players in my team started complaining that "we are going to lose again and our team is full of noobs".Upon inquiring why is he saying that he admitted that he was using an XVM program that was telling him all the players W/R and calculating that the match would be a loss!After all the posts in the forum about XVM last year, i had decided to hide my stats from public view for this exact situation and so asked him what my W/R was. He immediately replied 51%. My actual W/R is 52% but still he came really close.What is going on? Are XVM programs doing a comeback? Are they widespread? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #2 Posted January 14, 2017 XVM is working in RU , probably this guy switched Api from RU server to EU and has working xvm . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain_Strawberry Players 306 posts 5,559 battles Report post #3 Posted January 14, 2017 Oh joy. Even more bloody fun tools to aid complaining. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #4 Posted January 14, 2017 Meh, dont care. #carryhard 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #5 Posted January 14, 2017 Here we go again...... off to 20+ pages of the same stuff you could read in 1.528.632 threads over the past 5 years. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[W-C] Kharazas Beta Tester 121 posts 6,856 battles Report post #6 Posted January 14, 2017 He immediately replied 51%. My actual W/R is 52% but still he came really close. The 51% WR may be right because it took the last known stats (if xvm works like that)? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNS] Sonic_157 Players 727 posts 18,147 battles Report post #7 Posted January 14, 2017 The 51% WR may be right because it took the last known stats (if xvm works like that)? That is my assumption as well. Here we go again...... off to 20+ pages of the same stuff you could read in 1.528.632 threads over the past 5 years. So,you mean we shouldn't talk about such a toxic and harmful threat? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #8 Posted January 14, 2017 So,you mean we shouldn't talk about such a toxic and harmful threat? toxic? Yes. Harmful? hardly....just dont use it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HNS] Sonic_157 Players 727 posts 18,147 battles Report post #9 Posted January 14, 2017 toxic? Yes. Harmful? hardly....just dont use it. In WoT people were abandoning games or suiciding at the start of a match because of XVM. And personally, i would never use it. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POI-Z] xCaptainObviousx Weekend Tester 1,244 posts Report post #10 Posted January 14, 2017 Oh well, time to hide my stats again. An XVM mod will ruin this game too, just like it did to WoT. (Ever tried getting back into a game after being away for several years when everybody have a tool that shows you as being a great player? Yeah, eff that.) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KUMA] Kittykami Beta Tester 289 posts 11,934 battles Report post #11 Posted January 14, 2017 Oh wow, lame. To be honest though, the type of potato who suicides at the start of the match because of what XVM was telling him would likely have been a dubious asset to the team anyway. 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #12 Posted January 14, 2017 In WoT people were abandoning games or suiciding at the start of a match because of XVM. And personally, i would never use it. You know nothing John Snow. Stupid people and A$$holes don't need XVM to do that. For them being low tier in a match and the clantags which are now introduced to WoWs are enough. Been like that even before XVM was developed for WoT Hide your stats if you don't want to get involved with anything stat related, problem solved. Unlike WoT you can do that here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Great_SCH Players 374 posts 3,672 battles Report post #13 Posted January 14, 2017 Since it is a random game game, and people with <50% WR can have good games (like the time a Fubuki messed me up and 3 other team mates, and he had 800 WTR). So does it tell the whole story? Or people are just dumb enough to believe a game is decided by WR only? I have almost 58% WR, but have ships where i am under 50%. So? I have a few ships i do badly in, but others i do really good in... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HALON] Amon_ITA Players 708 posts 13,072 battles Report post #14 Posted January 14, 2017 Oh wow, lame. To be honest though, the type of potato who suicides at the start of the match because of what XVM was telling him would likely have been a dubious asset to the team anyway. Correct. But if said potato does not have such tool he can't even think to suicide at the start of the match. I would really like to have such tools not available to players at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Migulaitor Players 748 posts Report post #15 Posted January 14, 2017 Oh wow, lame. To be honest though, the type of potato who suicides at the start of the match because of what XVM was telling him would likely have been a dubious asset to the team anyway. He can still do something usefull like take some shells, torps or help with aa. And a huge problem with XVM, farming noobs, you see a 200 games player/45% you expect him to repair with the first fire, to sail in a straight line and to dont know how to deal with planes. Or focusing good player. Wow did you see this 65% WR fuso? Lets send him all the shoka planes, no, not funny. So yes, pretty bad for the game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grumledunk Players 37 posts 6,572 battles Report post #16 Posted January 14, 2017 That's a shame, last thing a game needs is some fool complaining about the team or win chance before the match has started. Time to hide my stats so I at least do a little to make xvm irrelevant and useless. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Venatacia Beta Tester 872 posts 5,885 battles Report post #17 Posted January 14, 2017 You don't need XVM to know your in a loss. After playing this game the last few weeks and seeing the game go down hill I'm actually thinking of using XVM, never ever used mods in WoT or WoW but after the last two weeks of crap teams, I'm seriously considering using XVM. Followed this DD asking for support to cap A, thought great this guys knows what he is doing. Got to cap A, he spotted 4 enemy and turned right and ran. I thought, there is no smoke yet and then came the "Oh shi*t!" he doesn't know what he is doing at all apart from saving himself. Checked his stats and yup! - worse than a tomato. XVM would of told me not to trust this red player in the first place. Then I would of survived a little longer and did some damage. The last two weeks has drove me to seriously think of using XVM. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AmazingBeaver Beta Tester 435 posts 5,528 battles Report post #18 Posted January 14, 2017 Meh, I don't care. The fact is good players will still do their best even if the team is full of crappy players. Bad players do stupid things and XVM would atleast tell me if I can trust them or not. Below average players can have good games, but what keeps them not getting better is, they still do really stupid things very often and drag the whole team down. I have a lot of division friends, who are not bad players by any means, but they are stuck being just above average in terms of perfomance and in their opinion they can't progress higher is because of: 1 Luck 2 They play great variety of ships that don't generate good ratings 3 Bad teams But, in reality, they are often getting themselves into situations where they can't back away or they play super safe and can't help the rest of the team. Some of them are super experienced players having every ship in the game, and they blame their bad performance on ships that are bugged or otherwise don't generate good stats. They know how to angle, how to shoot and handle the basic tactics but they don't think of the big picture before they dive into pile of crap, resulting in bad performance and even a defeat. And then we have the bobs who are below average, some of them don't care about winning, some of them do, but they are ignoring the fact they are bad at this game and they are the main reason their team is losing. Atleast some kind of stat thing could tell me if I can trust my team to watch out my six in a battle or not. I'm active army reservist and I see crap like that in exercises too, a private can do good basic weapon handling and communication, but they let you down when they are needed to do good, spontaneous decisions and when the pressure builds up they are tunnelvisioning, ending up putting the whole squad in danger. As NCO, I atleast know the limits of my team and can give the not so good performing soldiers easier tasks while giving more responsibility and my trust to more trustworthy comrades. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #19 Posted January 14, 2017 Great. Now people can blame XVM for everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-D] SexyCroat Players 734 posts 18,675 battles Report post #20 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) he could have been alt+tabing your stats from warships today or similar page.... dont trust all you hear, btw im donald trumps son!! Edited January 14, 2017 by SexyCroat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneraIlKrizmuz Players 101 posts Report post #21 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) [edited] Edited January 19, 2017 by RogDodgeUK This post has been edited by a member of the Moderation Team, due to forum rules violation. RogDodgeUK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] Nechrom Beta Tester 4,870 posts 10,112 battles Report post #22 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) [edited] Edited January 19, 2017 by RogDodgeUK This post has been edited by a member of the Moderation Team, due to forum rules violation. RogDodgeUK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LilJumpa Beta Tester 4,603 posts 7,488 battles Report post #23 Posted January 14, 2017 blub Stahp making new nicknames. 4th Version now I have to put on ignore. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeneraIlKrizmuz Players 101 posts Report post #24 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) [edited] Edited January 19, 2017 by RogDodgeUK This post has been edited by a member of the Moderation Team, due to forum rules violation. RogDodgeUK Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
el_bloom Beta Tester 231 posts 4,471 battles Report post #25 Posted January 14, 2017 I would really like to have XVM in wows. Not sure why you guys are so upset about it because it would just make life easier. Without it i constantly have to watch my teammates to know of what caliber they are. If i know from the start what to expect one can concentrate on your own playstyle instead of constantly adjusting because you´re unsure. Why the heck isn´t someone doing this as a 3rd party directx overlay screen display, it´s above me. App would just have to search the databases for names and display smthg. on the screen. I want it really bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites