Maybe put a limit on amount on BBs in a match WG?

[The_Great_SCH]

The problem is that soon the only things that will be available to counter BB's will be BB's. Everything else get nerfed directly or indirectly. Even now, for another ship-class to deal damage to a BB's is either by spamming HE, like they say, or pray for their mistake to ambush them with torps. 

 

Now for the spamming part, of course i will spam a BB from distance, what do they expect? Brawl them in a cruiser? Isn't it enough that the poor german destroyer line gets punished if they are spotted (why they are, more than anything)? 

 

Every time BB players complain about something, something gets nerfed. DE getting nerfe, torps getting nerfed, and the skill cap difference between BB's and other classes is getting too high now. 

 

DD' swill be either real good players, or real bad players, and that will decide the faith of most games, especially with the introduction of RPF. 

 

And i do not want to start on how most BB's players stay in the back and expect DD's and CA/CL's to do their job, and they just SPAM from distance. 

[Date_A_Bullet]

Brawl them in a cruiser?

 

If you know how to, its actually quite effective with the Hindenburg.

I dont fear a 1v1 against a BB with it ^^

 

But dont get me wrong, I agree with your post.

 

The BB Meta is annoying and boring as hell, I even stopped playing the High-Tier-BBs because its such an easy mode.

Its just unbelivable that WG wants to (secretly) buff BBs even more, just... do they even play the game themself? NOTHING can hardcounter you as BB. You can make serval mistakes, and you will be still sailing.

 

If you make a major mistake as cruiser or DD it is your end in the most cases.

Major mistake as CV and you lose tons of planes.

 

But BBs? Especially german BBs with Hydro?

Easy mode.

 

The only thing you have to really worry about atm are other (german) BBs.

 

[The_Great_SCH]

 

If you know how to, its actually quite effective with the Hindenburg.

I dont fear a 1v1 against a BB with it ^^

 

But dont get me wrong, I agree with your post.

 

The BB Meta is annoying and boring as hell, I even stopped playing the High-Tier-BBs because its such an easy mode.

Its just unbelivable that WG wants to (secretly) buff BBs even more, just... do they even play the game themself? NOTHING can hardcounter you as BB. You can make serval mistakes, and you will be still sailing.

 

If you make a major mistake as cruiser or DD it is your end in the most cases.

Major mistake as CV and you lose tons of planes.

 

But BBs? Especially german BBs with Hydro?

Easy mode.

 

The only thing you have to really worry about atm are other (german) BBs.

 

 

Yes, in a worst case you can brawl if no alternative, because you have torps. A good angle, some lucky dispersion and you can take on a half HP BB. No i on the otherhand, have bad WTR in BB's, exatly because i go head-in, brawl against 3-4 enemies just for the fun of it. I am very aware of having to stay at mid range for half of the game and then push them and punish, but i would like thos games more, where 3 BB's team up and push a whol cap deleting everything in their way, especially with the german BB's. 

 

People can learn to play, but it doesn't seem right that Naval Warfare: Weaponry Basics (deal 1.000.000 dmg) is achieved by a Tirpitz in a T10 game, that means someone bought it, didn't learn the game, and is your teammate. 

[SovietFury43]

 

If you know how to, its actually quite effective with the Hindenburg.

I dont fear a 1v1 against a BB with it ^^

 

But dont get me wrong, I agree with your post.

 

The BB Meta is annoying and boring as hell, I even stopped playing the High-Tier-BBs because its such an easy mode.

Its just unbelivable that WG wants to (secretly) buff BBs even more, just... do they even play the game themself? NOTHING can hardcounter you as BB. You can make serval mistakes, and you will be still sailing.

 

If you make a major mistake as cruiser or DD it is your end in the most cases.

Major mistake as CV and you lose tons of planes.

 

But BBs? Especially german BBs with Hydro?

Easy mode.

 

The only thing you have to really worry about atm are other (german) BBs.

 

 

Well just take a look at this thread and see for yourself how fervently some of them defend BBs and the current meta:

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/71490-does-wg-want-to-make-the-game-more-campy/

 

They claim that BBs SHOULD be the most powerful ship class but have yet to offer any logical explenation for why.

[Elenortirion]

(by the way if you consider having 58% winrate in Pensacola as being subpar, then I really have no more to say to you). 

 

 

He's BB player, he measures stats by damage done and nothing really else - haven't you noticed how he only claimed you CVs doing double the damage withotu even thought of comparing rest of stats?

 

They claim that BBs SHOULD be the most powerful ship class but have yet to offer any logical explenation for why.

 

for historical accuracy of course 

[Date_A_Bullet]

Yes, in a worst case you can brawl if no alternative, because you have torps. A good angle, some lucky dispersion and you can take on a half HP BB.

 

No i killed quite a lot Full-Life T10 BBs in a brawl with my Hindenburg. If the BB is dumb he shoots you as soon his guns are reloaded, then you can easy dodge.

 

Sorry for my bad painting skills but i think its still better than to write a complicated text

 

(Red is enemy BB, dark grey is the Hindenburg)

 

Just make sure to never approach in a straight T-crossing.

 

This works almost all the time, especially since most BB players just are completely unable to handle this situation.

 

You are only fudged if the enemy BB player is clever and dosent shoot before you show your broadside.

In that case it gets harder, but i found an easy way there too:

 

Abusing the BBs slow turrets. Just drive past the BB, very closely (almost ramming) never show broadside (and you cant torp), but as soon you sailed past him, you can safely turn and throw your torps since his turrents wont turn in time not even if he is turning his ship with them.

What also helps there is the fact, that most high-tier BBs do not use the rudder shift upgrade. At least think that is the case, seeing most battleships reacting so slowly.

 

Ofc its always risky, but thats the nature of a war game, aye?

I like the adrenalie when brawling a BB as cruiser, its one of the best feelings this game has to offer.

 

And even if it fails, still better than sitting at max range and spamming HE all the time, and then die against some YOLO-RNG-shells anyway.

 

 

[steviln]

 

So should CA's complain that BB's do more damage per game then them? Should DD's complain CA's do more damage per game then them? If no, why should BB's complain that CV's do more damage?

 

 

 

No, they should only complain about CVs being in the game in the first place. And the tier spread then. Except that it is nothing to complain about

[Capra76]

No it isn't. I suggest you read my posts again as you are taking two things out of context. I said that when a new line is introduced if will skew the MM. This usually happens for a short period. But clearly the KM BBs are even more popular than other new lines so the skewing effect lasts longer. I'm sure we will see something similar when RNBBs are introduced if they are any good.

 

So, the more OP/easy to play the class, the longer the "skewing effect" lasts, I wonder if the fact that KM BB are easy mode has more to do with their popularity than their relative newness.

 

 

But overall, I still stick by my point that limiting class numbers in the MM is not a good thing.

 

Agreed, but WG seem to have no intention of nerfing BB to bring their numbers under control, so what else is left?

 

[Horin728]

I think that there might be a surge of Russian cruisers - with the HEAP skill they can start penning BB armor and get 4-5K HE salvos with their 180mm guns

[CleverViking]

Not my intention to revive the debate but I had these two matches:

Whatever your stance on BBs, you'll have to admit that matchmaking like that can make for some potentially unfun matches for cruisers.

 

(However, the second one was on T6 so it actually wasn't so bad .) 

 

[Ton0kki]

 

Your a prime example you do sub par with most of your ships yet just happen to do amost double the damage with CV...

 

CV are retarded in that they have highest damage output counter just about everything that isn't a cruiser with it's defensive fire ready and all coming  with the least risks.

 

Average damage is shitty measure. Following scenario is very common for me when I play Taiho: at the start of the match I simply cannot deal damage. Enemy ships stay together and attacking those AA death bubbles is next to impossible. As game goes on, enemy ships get separated and I can finally do something. But guess what, many games are mostly decided at that point. One team has enough lead that other team cannot catch up. Sure, I can delete a lone BB or two and end up with 150k damage quite easily, but that damage has been totally useless as it has came too late.

 

 

Then those one or two BBs come to forums to complain about op CVs and we get some more AA buffs

 

 

CVs have lot of problems but other ship classes inability to protect themselves from a CV attack isn't one of them.

[dasCKD]

Whatever your stance on BBs, you'll have to admit that matchmaking like that can make for some potentially unfun matches for cruisers.

 

They are exceptions. 8 BBs and 1 CA on the enemy team when I'm in a Zao means I don't have to worry about any fast raiders with accurate and fast firing guns to worry about