[COOOP] Shirakami_Kon Players 2,624 posts 12,759 battles Report post #51 Posted January 13, 2017 And lo! Behold: Here cometh the Belfast! Destroyer of Destroyers, Burner of Battleships, and Coolest of Cruisers! Bringer of Harmony to the battle lists! (coming soon to an online store near you!) Scharnhorst wants a few words with Belfast about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #52 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) It's probably known by now that I hold no sympathy towards destroyers. I'm told that they are actually hard to do well with, yet they consistently rank at the top of the scoreboard in the lower-middle tiers, so I wonder if these are sealclubbers who pad their stats (kinda like the old T18 dominance in WoT). As you probably know, BB positioning is critical to success. Newer players haven't learned to read the tactical situation or understand where to support the rest of the team. DD and CL can use superior speed and agility to redeploy should they commit to the wrong area, leaving BBs lagging behind taking long range shoot that rarely hit. Results reflect this. Edited January 14, 2017 by Culiacan_Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-IAN-] IanH755 Players 2,100 posts 7,141 battles Report post #53 Posted January 14, 2017 This whole crapshow started when WG nerfed CVs, Yeap, absolutely this! That one stupid decision wrecked the "balance" of the game in an instant when all that was needed was a reduction in CV damage per attack instead as CV's, especially higher tier ones, were acknowledged as OP. However reversing the AA buff/CV nerf isn't an instant cure as CV's, which were rare already, have left/swapped class in big numbers so the only thing left is the class limit which I'm personally not a fan of but I can't see any other way that would change the BB-fest within a few days. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #54 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Just guessing here, but I wonder how many of those who taunted OP or called them out are active destroyer players who got their feathers ruffled. -edit- Anyway, I don't believe battleship players deserve all the hazing and derision I've seen so far. Yes, we play the easiest class, yes we have nothing more to do than to steam onwards, angle our armor and heal when damaged, and fire potentially brutal salvos every half a minute give or take. I mostly play DDs, but I never responded to the original post because... why? Either he has had some bad games and is just venting or... he has no interest at this moment in learning the game mechanics. As for BB players as a group, no they don't deserve derision, but there is a significant subset of this group that has little interest in learning the game and just want it dumbed down to complete 'easy mode' for them. They want easy mode but play random instead of coop... because? Coop is an assured 90% chance to win and is relatively easy and relaxing... good. Random is suppose to offer a challenge, yet this group wants to destroy that. Their attitude is greedy and selfish... they deserve everything they get. Edited January 14, 2017 by Culiacan_Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kazeshiki Players 35 posts 2,709 battles Report post #55 Posted January 14, 2017 BB main here...I actually find DD's more game changing than any other ships. The team that has its DD's killed early will almost always lose. They cap, spot, stop pushes with smoke firing and hunt people with torps. People who say cruisers are BB food. But 1v1 with a weaving cruiser at max range, he will BBQ u before u can even land anything. which is the frustrating thing with the supposed rock paper scissors concept. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #56 Posted January 14, 2017 (edited) Also, what will deal a blow to destroyers? Nerf BBs. Test Server. A Fiji with RPF is on my tail, tracking me down, while I am in Hatsuhara. One on one this isn't even a contest... the Hatsuhara goes down, but that isn't what happened. I could see where there were two BBs on my team where, so I lead the Fiji to instant destruction. Five BBs on my team every game, means any CL or CA that wants to chase me down is 9/10 going to die. A nerf to BBs, mean Cruisers can act aggressively... this will be a strong blow to DDs. I play mostly DDs, so the BB 'meta' works well for me personally... but is it good long term for the game? I don't know, but I don't believe it is. Edited January 14, 2017 by Culiacan_Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LazyInsight Players 136 posts 3,209 battles Report post #57 Posted January 14, 2017 People who say cruisers are BB food. But 1v1 with a weaving cruiser at max range, he will BBQ u before u can even land anything. which is the frustrating thing with the supposed rock paper scissors concept. Well any smart BB in that situation would just stop shooting, get concealed. get into cap and thus force the cruiser into shorter range. Situations like that are incredibly rare too. Match with 1 BB and 1 CA remaining to duel at the end, while neither side has big point adavantage, there is enough time for them to fight and on top of that, outcome is not decided by one of them being heavily damaged. How often have you actually seen something like that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #58 Posted January 14, 2017 Well any smart BB in that situation would just stop shooting, get concealed. get into cap and thus force the cruiser into shorter range. Situations like that are incredibly rare too. Match with 1 BB and 1 CA remaining to duel at the end, while neither side has big point adavantage, there is enough time for them to fight and on top of that, outcome is not decided by one of them being heavily damaged. How often have you actually seen something like that? You're attributing to much logic to the common BB player, chances are this engagement is happening somewhere near the map edges Ok, constructive -> BB positioning is key. Yes, a kiting CA can be a pain, but even kiting CA's will eventually get lolpenned by an equally competent BB player. If the BB player can't hit, it's a skill difference and not a class imbalance. And I say that as someone who also plays a quarter off his games in a BB. And you're right to, most bad BB's don't even consider taking concealment expert, thinking BB is big should be visible and 'scary'. When the most scary BB is a NCal appearing off my cruisers broadside at <13km having used his concealment to close the distance so he can more reliably land devastating strikes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #59 Posted January 14, 2017 BB main here...I actually find DD's more game changing than any other ships. The team that has its DD's killed early will almost always lose. They cap, spot, stop pushes with smoke firing and hunt people with torps. People who say cruisers are BB food. But 1v1 with a weaving cruiser at max range, he will BBQ u before u can even land anything. which is the frustrating thing with the supposed rock paper scissors concept. Because non DDs never learned how to hunt DDs and depend on their own DDs to do the job. Without them they are just to scared even with perfect tools like Hydro and Radar. A little bit more bravery and they would quickly find out how easy that is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
