WHY SOME MANY DDS

[beercrazy]

And lo! Behold: Here cometh the Belfast! Destroyer of Destroyers, Burner of Battleships, and Coolest of Cruisers! Bringer of Harmony to the battle lists!

(coming soon to an online store near you!)

 

 

 

 

and sitting outside his smoke cos its bugged to hell watching bb shells wipe his sorry [edited]out the game

[cro_pwr]

 

(someone had to)

[Procrastes]

 

Love that BB-Bingo card!

The text in the box furthest to the left in bottom row should read, "Destroyers should be limited!"

Otherwise, this about covers it.

[mtm78]

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[BadGene616]

 

Just prove that cruiser captains are the real crybabies here. 

Erm, whut?

[mtm78]

 

Just prove that cruiser captains are the real crybabies here. 

 

 

 

[Capra76]

Love that BB-Bingo card!

The text in the box furthest to the left in bottom row should read, "Destroyers should be limited!"

 

 

Thinking about that card, most of the boxes in there have now been checked:

 

1. CV nerfed;
2. KM smoke terrible; radar + sonar;
3. manual AA;
4. DE nerfed, fire prevention buffed (pending in patch 0.6.0);
5. .....;
6. KM DD designed to soak up penetration damage, RN CL made of citadels;
7. 31 kt Bismarck;
8. KM DD, other nerfs seemingly pending;
9. IJN torpedo nerf, vigilance, sonar, target acquisition mod;
10. see 6 above;
11. RU DD, KM DD gunfire penalty, radar, sonar, RPF;
12. see 4 above, RNCL and wasn't the damage mechanic changed some time ago;
13. .....;
14. KM BB;
15. see 1 above
16. see 4 & 12 above;

 

so I reckon that's 14/16 boxes checked and if 13 were to read "destroyers should be limited" I'd say that one has been checked as well.

 

No doubt when the RN BB arrive the KGV will be able to throw 14" shells 20 km with cruiser like accuracy at which point we can shout "house" (and uninstall the game).

 

[Procrastes]

 

No doubt when the RN BB arrive the KGV will be able to throw 14" shells 20 km with cruiser like accuracy at which point we can shout "house" (and uninstall the game).

 

 

If any navy will receive battleships with uncommonly high accuracy, I know where I would place my bets.

(Hint: It wouldn't be the British.)

[mtm78]

 

If any navy will receive battleships with uncommonly high accuracy, I know where I would place my bets.

(Hint: It wouldn't be the British.)

 

Dutch  

[pihip_wg]

Just guessing here, but I wonder how many of those who taunted OP or called them out are active destroyer players who got their feathers ruffled.
 

It's probably known by now that I hold no sympathy towards destroyers. I'm told that they are actually hard to do well with, yet they consistently rank at the top of the scoreboard in the lower-middle tiers, so I wonder if these are sealclubbers who pad their stats (kinda like the old T18 dominance in WoT).

Anyway, I don't believe battleship players deserve all the hazing and derision I've seen so far. Yes, we play the easiest class, yes we have nothing more to do than to steam onwards, angle our armor and heal when damaged, and fire potentially brutal salvos every half a minute give or take.

[Cosseria]

Destroyers often top the charts because their players have to be smarter and more daring than the average Bbob, and they quickly learn the hard way all the game mechanics and reap benefits.

However fear not, as the next patch will deal a fine blow to most DDs. See you when you'll come back crying for the 24 BBs in each battle.

[pihip_wg]

Destroyers often top the charts because their players have to be smarter and more daring than the average Bbob, and they quickly learn the hard way all the game mechanics and reap benefits.

However fear not, as the next patch will deal a fine blow to most DDs. See you when you'll come back crying for the 24 BBs in each battle.

 

...and this is why I was about to say it was pointless to argue. Again with the 'bbaby' taunting and similar rubbish.

 

Also, what will deal a blow to destroyers? That new radiosomething skill? I was told it's not pinpoint accurate in telling where this or that ship is (if it were, I would agree that it's quite broken). Also, it's a 4-point skill, I'd rather take AFT and/or concealment.

 

And I'd rather take the 12v12 BB slugfest over five destroyers per team, that's for sure. However, I hope it'll never happen because that would be truly brutal to cruisers.

[mtm78]

Just guessing here

 

 This user profile is private.

 

 

And I'd rather take the 12v12 BB slugfest

 

Yeah that was clear already

 

And I'd rather take the 12v12 BB slugfest over five destroyers per team, that's for sure. However, I hope it'll never happen because that would be truly brutal to cruisers.

 

12 is a full team, it wouldn't be brutal to cruisers as they wouldn't be in the team

 

Yes, we play the easiest class, yes we have nothing more to do than to steam onwards, angle our armor and heal when damaged, and fire potentially brutal salvos every half a minute give or take.

 

BB's are not the easiest class to do well in, they are the most forgiving class for terrible players. If you want to do really well, you still need skill even in a BB. 

[cro_pwr]

Just guessing here, but I wonder how many of those who taunted OP or called them out are active destroyer players who got their feathers ruffled.

 

cro_pwr 

Plays a mix of cruisers (excellent) and battleships (excellent)

Cruiser (37%) Battleship (33%) Destroyer (20%) Aircraft Carrier (10%)

 

Amrael87 

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Guess again

 

And yes, this whole forum allready knows that you dedicated BB players that are too thick skulled and ignorant to even try to learn how to counter something and how to properly play this game want your 12v12 BB game.

But please, for the sake of the game, and rest of the playerbase that wants a normal game, just make your slugfest in the training room, and let us play a proper game instead of your "I WIN" button.

 

[mtm78]

Ow yeah right I should post that to ->

 

• Mostly plays cruisers, especially high-tier and is excellent in them

 Cruiser (48%) Battleship (26%) Destroyer (25%) Aircraft Carrier (0%)

 

0%? Wow I thought I done more CV games with my AS Bogue for those ARP mission plane kills

[pihip_wg]

And here come the infamous stats. Because clearly, I'm not eligible to express opinions if I'm not pro enough, right?

I'm pretty terrible actually . My overall winrate is 49% (50% on a good day because of the low number of battles), and I have absolutely terrible winrates (like 30-35% and a few zeroes) on some ships. I don't make excuses here - I'm completely new to the game and have yet to learn its quirks and properly adapt, and that shows in my less-than-tomato stats.

Yet I still want to play and most of all have fun, because even if I dislike this game mechanic or that, I still believe WoWs is a good game and worth the time and effort.

 

 

 

[mtm78]

Opinions are perfectly fine, allowed and even wanted. 

 

But when they conflict with actual knowledge of game mechanics or balance, which is something visible through performance indicators, and are given in a manner which would degrade the gameplay of others ( wanting 12v12 BB games is not really being open to OUR opinions either now is it ), well things might get a bit iffy

 

Also, I was playing terrible lately and the only reason I had a 80% win rate in my last play session is due to excellent division members carrying my scrubbery behind to victory. Win rate is not the most important metric. Which is also btw a reason why you shouldn't hide your profile. Profiles gives an abundance of extra information which could be quite crucial in discussions about meta or class balance. 

 

As you can see I play even more BB's then DD's, that should indicate I'm not 'whining' because I want DD's to be overpowered, for instance. It might indicate I think BB's are already very powerful ( and overly prolific because of that and other reasons ). My profile should also indicate I am capable of judging most inter class balance issues, though I will outright admit I am rather limited with how many different lines I have unlocked. I am an IJN main, in both CA, DD and BB. I am doing VMF DD's but got stuck at the Ognevoi and am mostly playing my premium destroyers from that nation. I also play German CA's and VMF CA's, you could say ( and it would be correct ) I'm a CA main. But because I also play the other classes to reasonable amounts I'm not impartial to just cruisers. 

 

Knowing this should help you with judging my objections or comments on certain topics

 

edit: btw 49% is NOT terrible, it's average. 

[beercrazy]

Opinions are perfectly fine, allowed and even wanted.

 

But when they conflict with actual knowledge of game mechanics or balance, which is something visible through performance indicators, and are given in a manner which would degrade the gameplay of others ( wanting 12v12 BB games is not really being open to OUR opinions either now is it ), well things might get a bit iffy

 

Also, I was playing terrible lately and the only reason I had a 80% win rate in my last play session is due to excellent division members carrying my scrubbery behind to victory. Win rate is not the most important metric. Which is also btw a reason why you shouldn't hide your profile. Profiles gives an abundance of extra information which could be quite crucial in discussions about meta or class balance.

 

As you can see I play even more BB's then DD's, that should indicate I'm not 'whining' because I want DD's to be overpowered, for instance. It might indicate I think BB's are already very powerful ( and overly prolific because of that and other reasons ). My profile should also indicate I am capable of judging most inter class balance issues, though I will outright admit I am rather limited with how many different lines I have unlocked. I am an IJN main, in both CA, DD and BB. I am doing VMF DD's but got stuck at the Ognevoi and am mostly playing my premium destroyers from that nation. I also play German CA's and VMF CA's, you could say ( and it would be correct ) I'm a CA main. But because I also play the other classes to reasonable amounts I'm not impartial to just cruisers.

 

Knowing this should help you with judging my objections or comments on certain topics

 

edit: btw 49% is NOT terrible, it's average.

 

ya need to get the kiev pal and you wont put that baby down its a cracking ship

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[AgarwaenME]

And here come the infamous stats. Because clearly, I'm not eligible to express opinions if I'm not pro enough, right?

 

 

They didn't refer to your skill level by those stats. But by how you attempted to call others "biased DD players" as their stats showed him as anything but, while you hide your own bias by hiding your stats.

 

So no, you don't get to play the "omg you only focus on stats" card.

[IanH755]

More BB's = Less CA's = More DD's = More DD Nerfs

 

No one is happy with this situation and the instant fix is limit BB's numbers per match but it'd would be virtually impossible to do as the fan base (majority BB heavy by now) would cause a riot, so while WG could resolve it they've proven that they don't have the willpower to make these "big" decisions and will instead slowly nerf/buff little things until the game dies due to lack of variety when it's BB's only.

 

Now on the other hand, while the EU server is particularly bad for it's "50% of the team is BB's" MatchMaker, WG has to look at 4 other servers too and maybe they're all enjoying the BB-fest right now or maybe they don't even have a BB heavy meta, so changing the MM on 5 servers just because the EU one is awful right now isn't the best thing to do.

 

tl:dr - MM is screwed!

 

 

[anonym_jRNsHFlzpHCL]

Is this thread for buffing cruiser, yes? It is not? Uhh, ill get my coat then...

[cro_pwr]

As Agarwaen said, I didn't post my stats to prove I'm 1337 players or some BS like that, I just posted them because you "assumed" I'm a DD player that wants DDs to be OP...

[mtm78]

As Agarwaen said, I didn't post my stats to prove I'm 1337 players or some BS like that, I just posted them because you "assumed" I'm a DD player that wants DDs to be OP...

 

I am a cruiser main but I want OP DD's because it gives me something to do other hide at max range from BB's spamming them with HE

[El2aZeR]

Destroyers often top the charts because their players have to be smarter and more daring than the average Bbob, and they quickly learn the hard way all the game mechanics and reap benefits.

 

Actually DDs often top the charts because they have to fight other DDs and those give the most exp per damage dealt.

 

@OP: This wouldn't be a problem if BBabies like you hadn't made cruisers scarce and CVs almost extinct with your whining, so deal with it.

[BillydSquid]

More BB's = Less CA's = More DD's = More DD Nerfs

 

No one is happy with this situation and the instant fix is limit BB's numbers per match but it'd would be virtually impossible to do as the fan base (majority BB heavy by now) would cause a riot, so while WG could resolve it they've proven that they don't have the willpower to make these "big" decisions and will instead slowly nerf/buff little things until the game dies due to lack of variety when it's BB's only.

 

Now on the other hand, while the EU server is particularly bad for it's "50% of the team is BB's" MatchMaker, WG has to look at 4 other servers too and maybe they're all enjoying the BB-fest right now or maybe they don't even have a BB heavy meta, so changing the MM on 5 servers just because the EU one is awful right now isn't the best thing to do.

 

tl:dr - MM is screwed!

 

 

 

Or they could actually make CVs and their captain skills usable, buff the economy which is crippling their use to make CVs actually appear in the game.

 

This whole crapshow started when WG nerfed CVs, once they did that DDs lost their checks and we ended up with Shima's spamming torpedoes constantly and all the no skill scrubs jumped to the Shima, then they nerfed the Shima and the BBs got incredibly powerful as they lost their last remaining check and the scrubs jumped to BBs and snipe from 16km. And here we are, heavy BB meta and now the whiners are pissing and moaning about RN CLs being able to stack 20k damage in 30 seconds firing from smoke. 

 

I await the inevitable CA nerf because apparently now CLs are op. 

 

God damn scrubs.