British Battleship line for 2017?

[Mc_Dumble]

 

Thats all well and good in real life, but in wows it just wont cut it. It doesnt matter how quick they go, the first time they get spotted (which they will) some BB player who knows how to aim will have a pop.

 

Look at the AGS. Every BB has a go. If you connect at distance, bang. In the confines of a wows map, true BC's could be a nightmare. Big guns without armour wont work.

 

HMS Hood did not have an armoured deck. How do you think it will fair? Not well. So give it a fictitious upgrade with a better deck and better armour. You could, but would it still be a BC? No it wouldnt.

 

I like BC's, we all do. SMS Derfflinger anyone? But true BC's could become a liability that nobody wants to play.

the battle cruiser amagi is doing quite well isn't it ? top clans using them in competitive fast lots of fire power ! i think people will be suprised by hood and the actual armour it had . and this is a game and there are detonation flags like they had in real life right lol .bring on the hood it will be more tanky than people think . especially if we get the refit hull it never got ! and remember there are already ships in game with hulls they were going to get but never did !!

[VC381]

If anything, battlecruisers in game have the potential to be way more powerful than in real life. The reason is that fights are at such close range in game that even the heaviest BB armour is useless if you show broadside. The game is very unrealistic due to auto-bounce and overmatch mechanics. So in this case, having little armour is not a huge disadvantage because you can still angle while speed is very crucial. As Mc_Dumble said, Amagi is very strong, so is Kongo.

 

Also, given how close range the fights in game are, true deck penetrating hits aren't really a thing. And Hood DID have deck armour, it was just a bit thin in places but really not much different to the QE class BBs. Even so, you need to be shooting at something like 18km+ to truly get plunging fire, it will not matter most of the time at mid tiers.

[Spellfire40]

 

HMS Hood?! Did someone say HMS Hood? Oh.... God, I'm waiting for her since... Since I'm on this forum!

 

And for sure, the HMS Hood will be a premium, how can WG miss a such occasion to make more money.

 

Really hope they will add British BBs.

 

wasnt Hood planed as a ranked reward If you got rank 1 12 times?  JK. 

 

Personally i want Repulse since she didnt had that awfull looking superstructure.  (of HMS Renown)

[Webley_Mark]

wasnt Hood planed as a ranked reward If you got rank 1 12 times?  JK.

 

The troll is strong with this one.

 

And Hood DID have deck armour, it was just a bit thin in places but really not much different to the QE class BBs.

 

Well... 19mm for some part, but up to 76mm for some other part. So yeah, she has deck armor. But not that much for some part.

[VC381]

 

 

Well... 19mm for some part, but up to 76mm for some other part. So yeah, she has deck armor. But not that much for some part.

 

76mm for most of the area that matters. In game, any impact angle <30 degrees off the plate is auto-bounce. Most BB guns can't get enough angle of fall to not auto-bounce on deck until about 25km range. Then we have over-match, but even Yamato can't over-match 76mm of armour. So basically, bad as her deck protection is, Hood could never actually receive a deck penetration to the citadel in game...

[SeaMonsterUK]

The question is though, will we get Hood as she was sunk, or Hood if she had received her 1942 refit as a premium.

 

[Webley_Mark]

The question is though, will we get Hood as she was sunk, or Hood if she had received her 1942 refit as a premium.

 

Good question, I would like to see the 1941 version, even if I don't really like the UP on the B turret. But, the 1942 refit is so nice too... Especially the one with the King George V secondary;the second picture.

 

So basically, bad as her deck protection is, Hood could never actually receive a deck penetration to the citadel in game...

 

Good to know, even from a plunging fire?

[VC381]

Well, premiums are usually there to represent a given famous ship at a given point in time. I think this generally trumps lazy refit balance, or at least means it will be balanced in other ways. So a tech tree Hood would be more likely to have a refit while a premium is more likely to be historical.

 

Webley_Mark, this is what I'm trying to say. The way the game has been designed and how the armour penetration mechanics work, plunging fire basically doesn't exist.

[SeaMonsterUK]

Well, premiums are usually there to represent a given famous ship at a given point in time. I think this generally trumps lazy refit balance, or at least means it will be balanced in other ways. So a tech tree Hood would be more likely to have a refit while a premium is more likely to be historical.

 

Webley_Mark, this is what I'm trying to say. The way the game has been designed and how the armour penetration mechanics work, plunging fire basically doesn't exist.

 

So likely we'll see Hoods 1942 refit on Howe, another Admiral class Battlecruiser.

[Webley_Mark]

The way the game has been designed and how the armour penetration mechanics work, plunging fire basically doesn't exist.

 

Very interesting to know. I bet we can say that the Hood has her chances then! Now, we just have to wait, and wait, for her to arrive.

[therealVanquisher]

Somehow I realy doubt we are going to see Brit Battleships anytime soon. And absolutly not this year. I would love to be wrong about this tho...

[SeaMonsterUK]

Somehow I realy doubt we are going to see Brit Battleships anytime soon. And absolutly not this year. I would love to be wrong about this tho...

 

British Battleships should be coming this year, they were confirmed to be in development before the end of 2016.

[Wojnar92_PL]

 

British Battleships should be coming this year, they were confirmed to be in development before the end of 2016.

 

As long as this turns out not to be true:

 

[SeaMonsterUK]

 

As long as this turns out not to be true:

 

 

That maybe true, but it doesn't mean we won't be getting the RN BB's this year. It just means if we do get it it will be in Q4.

[messershmitwarrior]

Cant wait for it! I will enjoy sinking these with my beloved battleships (all german BBs from Nassau to Gneisenau, Tirpitz, Fuso and Yamato).

Long ago someone said they will give them HE only because "unique" Lets face it, the brits may have invented many naval things but what was their navy in WW2? Tell me about anything special. Yanks had speed and AA, Germans had technology, endurance, accuracy and speed, Italians had made a battleship class that was 2 times cheaper than Bismark, japanese had traditions, good shells (yup, they had) and size. What did the british have? Not the biggest guns, not the best accuracy, not the best speed, not the best technology, not the best AA, etc(maybe traditions but by the time of WW2 everyone had learned from them so this doesnt apply). The only good thing they had when it comes to battleships was quantity. Oh wait, the americans outclassed them even in that. Perhaps WG will buff and make them OP to at least make players happy.

 

Sorry to all british here who may read this as an insult but this is the sad reality and you can do nothing about it.

 

Greeting from Bulgaria, Messer

 

 

 

[Historynerd]

Italians had made a battleship class that was 2 times cheaper than Bismark,

 

Uuuhhh... I lack a piece of the puzzle to say if this is true or not.

A historian calculated that the price of a single Littorio-class BB amounted to 782'767'116 L (Italian Lire) of the period, but with modifications and unspecified improvements the cost should have gone up to almost a billion L.

Can anybody say anything about how much the Bismarck cost, more or less?

[therealVanquisher]

 

British Battleships should be coming this year, they were confirmed to be in development before the end of 2016.

 

Wouldn't be the first time they promise something they don't fulfill.

 

[Niaro]

Can anybody say anything about how much the Bismarck cost, more or less?

 

~197m RM

I think at around 1,1b € nowdays.

[SeaMonsterUK]

1 Reichsmark is 10 Lira, more or less.

[Historynerd]

~197m RM

I think at around 1,1b € nowdays.

 

1 Reichsmark is 10 Lira, more or less.

 

Ok, I found this site, which allowed me to convert both values to the 1939 USD value.

 

Turns out that a Littorio cost between $40,5 and $52 millions, while the Bismarck cost $78 millions.

If the first value is correct, the idea would be correct, but by adopting the second value (which I believe is more comprehensive of expenses sustained after their immediate building and fitting out) we get somewhat closer. Not to mention that it's comparable to what the USN paid to get each North Carolina-class battleship.

 

I'm a bit surprised at the cost for the German battleship.

For the lulz, I went to see how much a King George V-class battleship was paid, and it says $32 millions... Not bad.

[Hans_the_Hawk]

Cant wait for it! I will enjoy sinking these with my beloved battleships (all german BBs from Nassau to Gneisenau, Tirpitz, Fuso and Yamato).

Long ago someone said they will give them HE only because "unique" Lets face it, the brits may have invented many naval things but what was their navy in WW2? Tell me about anything special. Yanks had speed and AA, Germans had technology, endurance, accuracy and speed, Italians had made a battleship class that was 2 times cheaper than Bismark, japanese had traditions, good shells (yup, they had) and size. What did the british have? Not the biggest guns, not the best accuracy, not the best speed, not the best technology, not the best AA, etc(maybe traditions but by the time of WW2 everyone had learned from them so this doesnt apply). The only good thing they had when it comes to battleships was quantity. Oh wait, the americans outclassed them even in that. Perhaps WG will buff and make them OP to at least make players happy.

 

Sorry to all british here who may read this as an insult but this is the sad reality and you can do nothing about it.

 

Greeting from Bulgaria, Messer

 

 

 

 

Wow quite a sweeping statement from you here, let's take a look at it:

 Yanks had speed and AA,

Let's take a look at the speed of RN BBs designed at the end of the 30s for example vs the "Yanks"  BBs : South Dakota 27,8 Knts, North Carolina 28Knts, KGV 28.3 Knts

Lights Cruisers "Yanks" typically 32.5, RN typically 32-32.5

So much the same speed actually for most classes of warships, As for AA , well the US had an advantage of joining in a little later and learnt from 2 and bit years of watching, as a result their AA was superior to every nation involved.

 

Germans had technology, endurance, accuracy and speed

Really? Which ship tech were they so advanced in over the RN, Radar? Sonar? Turbines? Steel production?  Please expand your argument , thanks

 

 Italians had made a battleship class that was 2 times cheaper than Bismark,

"Turns out that a Littorio cost between $40,5 and $52 millions, while the Bismarck cost $78 millions."

"I went to see how much a King George V-class battleship was paid, and it says $32 millions... Not bad."

 

 japanese had traditions

Yes , and we all know where they got those from or I hope you do, if not I suggest you do a little research

 

The only good thing they had when it comes to battleships was quantity. Oh wait, the americans outclassed them even in that.

I'm pretty sure that if you include battlecruisers, it's about 22 each

Sorry to all british here who may read this as an insult but this is the sad reality and you can do nothing about it.

 

So maybe the Royal Navy wasn't as you put it "special" but it certainly had many good points, and many points where it was superior to other Navies of the time, and some where it was inferior.

Your post is an insult, you are clearly NOT sorry , and as I have shown it is NOT a "sad reality"

 

[SmartassNoob]

US AA - "After 2 years of watching"? Yeah, so?

 

Example of german technology: Aiming equipment. The english were so impressed by it that they spent quite a bit of effort to fish out the aiming gear from one of the PBBs.

 

BB prices: The english become very good at producing military hardware for extra few money. Just look at their submachine guns. The germans, while designing the Bismak, knew that they could never compete in numbers, so they decided to spend extra to make sure they get it right. What's the problem? Germany at the time didn't have any BBs. Makes sense that they had to spend extra to catch up. It took the english an entire fleet to hunt it down. Seems like they got what they payed for. The KGV may have been cheap, but its guns/turrets were 50% out of action during battles due to terrible quality.

 

 

 

Anyway, it's my understanding that the main BB-advantage that the english had was the large number of them. But of course, they were mostly WW1 ships, since there had been minimal need for additional modern ones.

[SeaMonsterUK]

Royal Navy could get Supercharge - Supercharge basically means that the gun will gain a high velocity, meaning more penetration and range.

[SmartassNoob]

That could be a cool unique consumable that activates for a limited time. Like normally they at times have weaker guns (KGV at tier 8), but then you activate that and boom! +20% damage, or something.

[SeaMonsterUK]

That could be a cool unique consumable that activates for a limited time. Like normally they at times have weaker guns (KGV at tier 8), but then you activate that and boom! +20% damage, or something.

 

You already know my opinion on KGV so I won't repeat it but know, KGV didn't really supercharge it's shells, so I'd limit to the Lion-class and Vanguard-class Battleships. So Tier 8 to 10 which should be a suitable substitution for the scout plane.