British Battleship line for 2017?

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

 

I'm not sure, T6 would be closest but in most regards the Revenge is just a slightly worse Queen Elizabeth and the Warspite already faces a lot of challenges at T6.

 

My best guess, have the Revenge as a premium T5 and the Iron Duke as the regular T5. KGV (1912) at T4, Dreadnought at T3 and Agamemnon at T2.

 

 

Warspite is more than capable at tier 6

[The_White_Whale]

 

Warspite is more than capable at tier 6

 

It used to be but power creep and HE builds have pushed that down to just 'capable', which is fine. It didn't say she was bad or that there was anything untoward going on, I enjoy my oddball Warspite secondary build but it isn't an easy run for her. German cruisers are about to get their HE buffed as well which is going to be fun, as is Warspite's deck seems to be made of hay and napalm.

[SeaMonsterUK]

 

I'm not sure, T6 would be closest but in most regards the Revenge is just a slightly worse Queen Elizabeth and the Warspite already faces a lot of challenges at T6.

 

My best guess, have the Revenge as a premium T5 and the Iron Duke as the regular T5. KGV (1912) at T4, Dreadnought at T3 and Agamemnon at T2.

 

Revenge would be best at tier 6, it's AA is more than capable. Also it would be missed opportunity for a Slow BB line starting from tier 6.

[The_White_Whale]

Revenge would be best at tier 6, it's AA is more than capable. Also it would be missed opportunity for a Slow BB line starting from tier 6.

 

I'm all for two lines, a fast battleship and a heavy battleship line, although after a fair few years all we have got so far is just two battleships rather then lines... Grrr. Give me my T7 Nelson and I will be happy cat. But the Revenge is going to be a bit of a struggle a T6, as it's just a worse Queen Elizabeth built on the cheap.

 

Edit- As I'm thinking about it I' am starting to change my mind a bit on this, my original thought would to be have generic QE in as the regular T6 without Warspite's heal but with a wider choice of consumables. But a QE as regular and a QE as premium is a bit bland so maybe with some careful tweaking the revenge could work there. But it is a very slow ship for that tier and unless there's a fictional hull upgrade of some sort wouldn't be a lot of fun.

[philjd]

 

And besides that, we already have 2 Battleships designed around 15" quad turrets

 

 

Yes, but those are 2 twin turrets welded together

[Philipp_ab_exterminatore]

 

It used to be but power creep and HE builds have pushed that down to just 'capable', which is fine. It didn't say she was bad or that there was anything untoward going on, I enjoy my oddball Warspite secondary build but it isn't an easy run for her. German cruisers are about to get their HE buffed as well which is going to be fun, as is Warspite's deck seems to be made of hay and napalm.

 

​Probably my favourite ship

[EUmofton]

 

Warspite is more than capable at tier 6

 

Warspite is, though a QE will be somewhat different. Warspite's great maneuverability will likely go - it's an early game hold over and Hood didn't repeat it. Going on length/width and speed something more like Fuso (740m v 550m) would be realistic. Cruiser-style damage control was also not repeated on Hood and although Hood can repair up to 60% that may not be enough.

 

On the plus side with 10x 2 4.5in as DP AA the QE will do very well there, the recent traverse buff to Warspite will probably apply too.

 

T6 but with some caveats about QE being decent if it loses some of Warspite's charm.

 

 

Revenge would be best at tier 6, it's AA is more than capable. Also it would be missed opportunity for a Slow BB line starting from tier 6.

 

Pretty much, though I think it'll be underwhelming compared to a QE unless it gets fake-refits and possibly supercharges on the shells. QE's speed advantage and more thorough refits make it the better ship IMO.

 

My best guess, have the Revenge as a premium T5 and the Iron Duke as the regular T5. KGV (1912) at T4, Dreadnought at T3 and Agamemnon at T2.

 

I don't think 15in guns at T5 are sensible and an R can squeak into T6, or do well there with supercharges. I think a tree Revenge, tree QE, premium possibly Royal Oak and plausibly Arkangelsk for the Soviet tree. I agree Iron Duke T5, maybe Orion instead at T4 (Orion gets a lighter 13.5in shell which differentiates her more from KGV/Iron Duke and Orion already has heavier than average T4 guns, Colossus seems unsuitable as a T4). Dreadnought's a possible money hungry premium.

[VC381]

I will reiterate my belief that we will not see a full refit QE at T6, because the AA would be crazy for that tier and because it would be strictly better than Warspite hence showing it up. Also, the equivalent US classes that we have (New Mexico and Colorado) are not shown in the final refit possible for each class, with DP secondaries.

 

This makes the R class a much more plausible T6 candidate, or a QE top hull based on one of the less modernised ships (Barham or Malaya). Or, the worst possible option, some fictional refit for either class.

 

Orion is tricky, the shells were lighter but the muzzle velocity was higher, and actually the guns overall were more powerful at short range (which matters more on game) than the later heavy shell variants. A reliable 10-gun broadside with 13.5" guns may be too much for T4, but nevertheless I support the idea thematically because the RN did lead with new classes of ships with bigger guns. Plus the ships look cool and quirky, but I guess that will just make WG ruin them with a fictional refit...

[1MajorKoenig]

Well said sir

[EUmofton]

The QE would not be strictly better on the basis of maneuvering, there's also the potential that she might not get as good Sigma (if Warspite's 2.0 is a nod to her hit on Giulio Cesare at Calabria).

 

5x2 4.5in is certainly formidable, but DPS is unknown and concentrated in those guns. They're not the same as those seen on the Neptune in game (20 RPM for 17.8 dps). QE's earlier versions should be 12 RPM, with lower velocity shells, slower traverse and slower elevation than the USN 5in/38 with its' 20 RPM. Give that the US gun gets 15 DPS, I don't think ~10 DPS is impossible for 100 total, which is great but not insane at T6. I'm colored slightly by the nonsense they gave Gneisenau for instance only a tier higher (which entirely justifies a DP refit Colorado/West Virginia). The mid/close range is only equivalent to Warspite.

 

Are the R class in any way comparable to Bayern? Especially thanks to Bayern's 'questionable' +4kt interwar rebuild in-game implementation. I just don't think so, Bayern was probably the better ship in 1918 and the R's suffered a lack of TLC. If you want a T6 R I think you'd have to eat the fantasy refit.

 

If a QE's better than Warspite then an R is outright inferior on paper.

 

Orion seems the only option to me at T4, with either sigma or ROF nerfed slightly to compensate. Colossus is just too bad as a T4 - a slower, lighter (lower HP), thinner-belted Kaiser? What's not to like....?

 

>12in a tier early is a step, but I don't think it changes overmatch at that tier range, and appropriately implemented it shouldn't be an issue.

[The_White_Whale]

 

 

If a QE's better than Warspite then an R is outright inferior on paper.

 

Orion seems the only option to me at T4, with either sigma or ROF nerfed slightly to compensate. Colossus is just too bad as a T4 - a slower, lighter (lower HP), thinner-belted Kaiser? What's not to like....?

 

>12in a tier early is a step, but I don't think it changes overmatch at that tier range, and appropriately implemented it shouldn't be an issue.

 

 

R is inferior to QE, although there's not a great deal in it, the R's were a bit shorter which is a *bit* of an advantage but that would kind of be it, unless WG translated that and the R's stability issues into having a tighter turning circle but the extra 'agility' would be quite undermined by the slower speed.

 

The KGV is viable at T4 but again there's not much in it compared to the Orion asides from a bit more hp. Orion will probably be chosen as to avoid confusion with the later KGV and to have a ship named 'Thunderer'.

[MoveZig]

I actually expected it for 6.6. I fully expect it in 6.7, most certainly this year anyway. I'm more interested to hear what the other lines will be, RN BBs are in the bag already.

[1MajorKoenig]

 

 

R is inferior to QE, although there's not a great deal in it, the R's were a bit shorter which is a *bit* of an advantage but that would kind of be it, unless WG translated that and the R's stability issues into having a tighter turning circle but the extra 'agility' would be quite undermined by the slower speed.

 

The KGV is viable at T4 but again there's not much in it compared to the Orion asides from a bit more hp. Orion will probably be chosen as to avoid confusion with the later KGV and to have a ship named 'Thunderer'.

 

KGV is almost the same ship as Iron Duke which is probably T5.

 

Orion has lighter shells and a terrible FCS arrangement so KGV / Iron Duke are a straight upgrade.

 

My money would be on Orion for T4 and Iron Duke on T5 (with an idiotic fantasy refit).

 

T5 could alternatively be R in her WW1 configuration. Or eve with her limited refits she got.

[The_White_Whale]

 

 

My money would be on Orion for T4 and Iron Duke on T5 (with an idiotic fantasy refit).

 

 

 

There is one viable refit for a B hull type, the post Jutland up-armouring. Although every source for how much armour was added and where seem to give fairly different figures.

[1MajorKoenig]

 

There is one viable refit for a B hull type, the post Jutland up-armouring. Although every source for how much armour was added and where seem to give fairly different figures.

 

Sorry must have missed the memo. Since when does WG need a "viable" option for refits? They Chrystal clearly demonstrated they have no clue about "viable shipbuilding" by what they did to Kaiser and Bayern (and to a lesser extend to Koenig). 

 

I expect a similar debacle and degree of idiocy and incompetence for the RN BBs as both the T4 and the T5 ship were never rebuilt for WW2. And that is for a damn good reason. 

 

/rant off - sorry rough night

[Mucker]

 

 

I expect a similar debacle and degree of idiocy and incompetence for the RN BBs as both the T4 and the T5 ship were never rebuilt for WW2. And that is for a damn good reason. 

 

 

Don't be so harsh...it may not please the enthusiasts, but it's a nice way to sell the historical hulls as premiums for the lil bit of extra cash or as a campaign reward...   

[VC381]

While I also dislike the needless and often badly executed fantasy refits, to be honest I don't enjoy gameplay at those tiers enough to care. The game simply isn't balanced around WWI combat either, leave it at that and move on. At the very least, the QEs can serve as a template for refits on the other classes, so it would at least be plausible (unless WG deliberately make it implausible for the sake of it being different, that would be something I could not excuse). Having said that, if historical WWI hulls are kicking around as low tier premiums I may be tempted to pick one up, depending on which class it is they sell. I would be far more likely to buy a battlecruiser than a slow battleship though. Queen Mary as built is a natural choice for a T4 premium.

[1MajorKoenig]

I know that the game isn't balanced around WW1 combat. And I will repeat over and over again that the fantasy refits are of terrible quality, absolutely unnecessary and a testament for the failure to design a half way reasonable power progression in ten tiers staring from the dreadnought revolution to the end of all-gun armed warships. This, paired with the terrible CV implementation and a total absence of team oriented gameplay incentives are indeed a major grief and downer for me.

 

And that is a pity as there is no other game for this niche market so a great opportunity for wasted. It is still a fun game but it should have been a great game instead.

 

Making WW1 hulls premium ships is the saving grace here. Hope they'll do at least some more of that - which doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.

[The_White_Whale]

 Queen Mary as built is a natural choice for a T4 premium.

 

For the battle-cruiser line sure.

 

Yes I know wishful thinking, it's been two years and all we have got so far is two BB's. But at least we have all the paper Soviet ships!

[EUmofton]

T5 could alternatively be R in her WW1 configuration. Or eve with her limited refits she got.

Maybe a stretch to put 15in guns and an R at T5. The overmatch advantage is less at that tier, but pronounced when uptiered. The ship's also pretty solid in general at T5, and would be more so at T6 if Bayern hadn't been fantasy-fitted to the full.

 

 

RN T4/T5 upgrades can at least reflect the fact that the British built - and similar to Tiger - Kongo's were so extensively rebuilt by the Japanese, we know it's possible!

 

Completely agree on the CV issue - circa 1910 ships at T4 have to see Bogue's circa 1941 aircraft... yeah.

[VC381]

 

For the battle-cruiser line sure.

 

Yes I know wishful thinking, it's been two years and all we have got so far is two BB's. But at least we have all the paper Soviet ships!

 

I try to avoid fantasies about multiple lines but that's why I said QM. Even if there was a regular BC line, Lion would take the main tree spot, and QM still makes sense as a premium. But generally if we don't expect a BC line, BC premiums make more sense overall, to offer something different.

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

That the UK BBs will come 2017 they just said it in the last Russian Q&A. And that is from a few days ago.

 

But we will see first the French BBs in this game. I think the French BB's are very near the horizon. The UK BB's will be for Christmas or something like that. I wouldn't be that surprised that there are more French players than British ones.

[zectarius]

I think no . First it will be british BBs and long time after french BBs. It seems more logic . Because 2 times the same nation is not effective.

 

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

I cant see French BB's coming out so soon after French Cruisers. Plus, once the RN BB's are out I cant see another BB line coming anytime soon with the BB population being what it is.

[The_White_Whale]

I cant see French BB's coming out so soon after French Cruisers. Plus, once the RN BB's are out I cant see another BB line coming anytime soon with the BB population being what it is.

 

 

The population has been spiked by the hunt the Bismarck campaign, it will settle down again once it's over. Some bonus missions which reward CC players should help as well.