Free Graf Spee was mistake. WG take it back.

[xxNihilanxx]

Well, if there's one thing this forum has taught me it's that people will complain about absolutely anything.

[Procrastes]

Well, if there's one thing this forum has taught me it's that people will complain about absolutely anything.

 

You only learned it from this forum?

You must have lead a sheltered life!

[Vanhal]

 

B..b...b....but they even sold it for real money, so it can't be that bad, right?

 

They also sold Tier 0 BB Mikasa (hey, every T1 can kite it effortlessly so it's tier zero actually) and Krasny Krym. Mikasa, in terms of tier/price is even the most overpriced premium anything in any WG game...

[Spellfire40]

thought experiment, in a T6 game, 

which would you rather see on enemy team: 

 

A (non-stock) Fuso? 

Or a Graf Spee? 

How about a T6 CV?  

a Bayern? 

A Molotov. Oh right..  that thing exists, and is tier6

  

 

And why no Aoba, Clevland,Leander? Or do you selected on purpose ships that are quite powerfull and general good and less situational?

[Auzor_S]

And why no Aoba, Clevland,Leander? Or do you selected on purpose ships that are quite powerfull and general good and less situational?

 

So it is about.. middle of the road, then?  

And by the way, Cleveland, isn't 'bad' IMO.  

 

What other T6 cruisers has 12 barrels of HE to unload? none.  

Yes, floaty shells. Imagine the thing without it.    

And an AA bubble that is rather unmatched at the level.  

Unfortunately for cleveland, not a lot of CV's around; and MM puts it vs t7-8.  

But when it encountered T4 CV's, it was outrageously OP. No fly zone vs slow aircraft.  

Cleveland is one CV rework & meta-shift away from being an excellent T6 cruiser. 

Maybe a concealment buff.  

 

And Leander can deploy it's own smoke bubble, and single-launch 8 km torps from it.  

 

 

[anonym_jRNsHFlzpHCL]

 

 

Dear WGEU, if you cant take Admiral Graf Spee away from all players, then at least take it away from player named albinbino, becouse he doesnt like this ship that much.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

 

They also sold Tier 0 BB Mikasa (hey, every T1 can kite it effortlessly so it's tier zero actually) and Krasny Krym. Mikasa, in terms of tier/price is even the most overpriced premium anything in any WG game...

 

Mikasa is the best BB at T2 - just look at it's stats. No other T2 BB has stats like the Mikasa!

 

And there's always two needed for kiting... one who tries to kite, and one who turns away, looking for other targets

[Ast3lan]

You mad? This ship is great fun to play with and even better to play against.. alone the citadels it takes from other ships ... 

[alkiap]

I have only 7 games in AGS, but she's already become my favourite T6, by far.

66K average damage, that's 20K over my other cruisers of that level

She's certainly not the easiest ship to play, but she's  no squishier than her peers (and in fact has much better armor than Nurnmberg or Budy, not to mention Leander), and those 283mm guns hit very hard and have a good accuracy considering their Alpha potential.

She's not a short range death machine like a Cleveland, she has to fight at medium ranges and keep on maneuvering, but in that she's no different from any high tiered cruiser

Probably hey gameplay style is closer to the T8+ cruisers, and she's not easy to get into for players who only had T6 or under battles

[BCHood]

If you don't like it, give it back!

[SovietFury43]

"Cruiser killer" XD

 

My Aoba loves them!

 

Angle.

 

Kite him (pretty much all real tier 6 cruisers are faster).

 

Wait for most of his shells to miss you and the one that hits bounce.

 

Burn him to the ground with 203mm HE/shoot him full of holes with 203mm AP if he is a noob and doesnt angle.

 

Get a kill and 40k damage while barely taking any yourself.

[BCHood]

"Cruiser killer" XD

 

My Aoba loves them!

 

Angle.

 

Kite him (pretty much all real tier 6 cruisers are faster).

 

Wait for most of his shells to miss you and the one that hits bounce.

 

Burn him to the ground with 203mm HE/shoot him full of holes with 203mm AP if he is a noob and doesnt angle.

 

Get a kill and 40k damage while barely taking any yourself.

 

I did similar thing to the Aoba actually, mimed him out of an island, took some AP hits but was angled enough, return the fire and showed him the aft and wiggled, shooting HE. He switched to HE as well, the damage was actually pretty similar between the ships (no matter the fact I was only shooting with the single aft turret), but he made a noobish mistake in trying to run me down, wiggled just enough to spam torps on one side, then turned to starboard and put a well placed AP shot in the bowels with a citadel hit, he was hit with 2 torps and blew up. If I was the Aoba, I wouldn't try to run down, but oh well.

 

I'd say they're both pretty good heavy cruiser. Aoba is nimbler and faster, and imo have better HE, Spee is just a monster on alpha but it's armor is pretty good non the less. AP seems to just go straight through and not deal full damage, which can sometimes be a bit trollish - or I'm just super lucky. What surprises me every time is the good torpedoes, and the pretty good angles it got. I didn't expect a "pocket battleship" to have excellent torpedoes and have it one of the best things it got. 

 

That said, Aoba is definitely a better self-reliant vessel, Spee is better when she's supporting allied ships (ironicly, as she originally operated alone in RL).

 

I like it, but I'm still quite learning her, she's not a simple ship to master (and I'm not the best cruiser player by a long shot).

 

 

[MeTaLMooSe]

Can't be arsed to read thread due to OP beer.

Can you believe I've been nerareferd  on pretty much everything?

Graf good ship. Stop your snowflake precious whining.

Some of us bought you some more gametime with our bourgeoisie habits. Others earnt it.

Just [edited]off and play playstation.

[Zen71_sniper]

 

Everything trashes it.

 

DD=Can avoid your fire while either burning you down or torping you

Cruisers=Out DPS you

BB=Deletes you like any other Cruisers

CV=Love you because of the low value AA poor ruddershift.

 

It has most of the weaknesses of both Cruisers and battleships yet gains very little in return.

 

It is actually not that bad. The AP damage is massive. You just to have to play it carefully.... If you have experience in Molotov, you will love it

 

[SovietFury43]

 

I did similar thing to the Aoba actually, mimed him out of an island, took some AP hits but was angled enough, return the fire and showed him the aft and wiggled, shooting HE. He switched to HE as well, the damage was actually pretty similar between the ships (no matter the fact I was only shooting with the single aft turret), but he made a noobish mistake in trying to run me down, wiggled just enough to spam torps on one side, then turned to starboard and put a well placed AP shot in the bowels with a citadel hit, he was hit with 2 torps and blew up. If I was the Aoba, I wouldn't try to run down, but oh well.

 

I'd say they're both pretty good heavy cruiser. Aoba is nimbler and faster, and imo have better HE, Spee is just a monster on alpha but it's armor is pretty good non the less. AP seems to just go straight through and not deal full damage, which can sometimes be a bit trollish - or I'm just super lucky. What surprises me every time is the good torpedoes, and the pretty good angles it got. I didn't expect a "pocket battleship" to have excellent torpedoes and have it one of the best things it got. 

 

That said, Aoba is definitely a better self-reliant vessel, Spee is better when she's supporting allied ships (ironicly, as she originally operated alone in RL).

 

I like it, but I'm still quite learning her, she's not a simple ship to master (and I'm not the best cruiser player by a long shot).

 

 

 

The Aoba will win a HE duel because she simply puts out a higher volume of fire. She also has longer range torps in case the Spee tries to get close. And she has better accuracy so its easier to land citadel hits (203mm guns will penetrate the Spees armor easily most of the time). 

 

Overall i find the Aoba can be a monstruos ship in the right hands. 

[BCHood]

 

The Aoba will win a HE duel because she simply puts out a higher volume of fire. She also has longer range torps in case the Spee tries to get close. And she has better accuracy so its easier to land citadel hits (203mm guns will penetrate the Spees armor easily most of the time). 

 

Overall i find the Aoba can be a monstruos ship in the right hands. 

 

well yeah, like I said, Aoba is more self reliant, Spee needs support and provides support to other units, that's at the very least been my limited experience. Apples and oranges. I find Molotov closer to Spee in playstyle and prefer it over both.

[SovietFury43]

 

well yeah, like I said, Aoba is more self reliant, Spee needs support and provides support to other units, that's at the very least been my limited experience. Apples and oranges. I find Molotov closer to Spee in playstyle and prefer it over both.

 

By the way whatever happened to the Cleveland? I remember it was one of the most OP ships in the game back during open beta, then it was nerfed.

 

Since i am about to get it is it still at least decent? I thought it may be a good idea to get the Cleveland and stick my 18 points Atlanta captain into it since they are similar ships.

[Ferry_25]

I hate to draw this card OP. But you're leaving me no choice: TETRIS!!!!

[Spellfire40]

 

By the way whatever happened to the Cleveland? I remember it was one of the most OP ships in the game back during open beta, then it was nerfed.

 

Since i am about to get it is it still at least decent? I thought it may be a good idea to get the Cleveland and stick my 18 points Atlanta captain into it since they are similar ships.

 

​Still good ship but the armor dont hold up as trolish as back then and it suffers from the pissbow arcs when due to the powerkreep RU and Germ CL can basically hit with laser guided Shells at near nax range. at med range it is deadly both in AP and HE.

 

Back to  Graf Spee. any CA that can land 7-10k salvos vs BBs isnt that bad ,-)

[peachpest]

Well after the few games iv played with it so far its a powerful little cruiser but it has 3 major drawbacks, its slow only 28 knots it has a long reload of 20sec for a cruiser a price paid for having the 280mm guns and having the same guns as the Scharnhorst but a tier lower and having 3 less of them it has notably worse shot dispersion.
 

So while this cruiser has decent damage potential only have 6 guns in 2 turrets and having unreliable shot dispersion really can hurt you in battle if you end up fighting more than 1 ship at a time.
 

I'm happy to have got it for free but its certainly not a cruiser for new or average players.