Free Graf Spee was mistake. WG take it back.

[Gunship14]

OP, you have lost your marbles.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't have a problem with premiums in general, but making sure that everyone has one that's well suited to training for the most heavily played line in the game seems to me to be a somewhat strange decision, surely something from one of the other nations would've made more sense..

What a weird, extremely nitpicky complaint. They had this ship ready by the time Christmas rolled out, they decided to make it available for free. If someone wants to grind up to the legendary Bismarck, they will do it with or without the Graf Spee.

 

It's hilarious how people complain about this, after the whole Christmas Convoy fiasco. I mean, please take back the Christmas Convoys, they give a Bayern and make the grind to the Bismarck 50k exp shorter!!!11

[gizaman]

Have not tried it yet. Is getting it soon.

 

The issue is that 283mm caliber is a nightmare for cruisers. Faster ROF and still hits pretty hard.

 

The same issue with the scharnhorst although it is much more strong. Cruisers just have a hard time. After 6.0 the fire cruisers

has no place in the game.besides perhaps kutusov and Zao.

[albinbino]

thought experiment, in a T6 game, 

which would you rather see on enemy team: 

 

A (non-stock) Fuso? 

Or a Graf Spee? 

How about a T6 CV?  

a Bayern? 

A Molotov. Oh right..  that thing exists, and is tier6

  

 

 

Tier 6 CVs are usually paired up with tier 7 and 8 ships.

[Capra76]

What a weird, extremely nitpicky complaint. They had this ship ready by the time Christmas rolled out, they decided to make it available for free. If someone wants to grind up to the legendary Bismarck, they will do it with or without the Graf Spee.

 

You don't find it odd that WG has found a way to encourage even more people to play the most heavily played line in the game?  I mean the KM BB are the most played ship on 5/8 tiers, are 3rd and rapidly catching up at T10 have only been pushed off top slot at T3/4 by the new KM DD and WG seem to want more of them.

 

Don't get me wrong, I'm delighted at the present and am grinding the KM line anyway, I'm just confused as to why they chose this ship in particular.

[Slezman]

OP is mistake. Take him back.

Such threads are reason why WG is not taking us here serious in extent we would welcome.

[RobS80]

I was playing mine yesterday when I received the crushing news that one of my turrets was incapacitated. Awesome. Thanks!

[MaxxyNL]

At the time when so many players go for BBs and so little for cruisers,introduction of such cruiser like Graf Spee that has lots of BB specifications was mistake. Now remaining cruiser players who grind their ships have another threat to worry about, beside already existing BBs, and that is very powerful shells of Graf Spee.

Graf Spee is not just another cruiser ship.

 Experienced players who play Graf Spee will quickly realize that their strong point is to load AP, and with low speed reload they will learn that their best targets are other cruisers.

I would argue that Graf Spee is more dangerous against cruisers than BBs, because BBs players at such lower tier still did not gain their best aiming skills, and some dont understand citadel target.

While Graf Spee players will have patience and knowledge to wait for perfect cruiser target, this ship can delete cruiser, same as BBs.

I think it was mistake to give out Graf Spee ship for free so massively.

Massive presence of Graf Spee adds additional tremendous challenge to regular cruiser players.

But it is not too late, i recommend WG to take back these ships from players, expect from those who paid for it.

And to reserve this ship only for those that are ready to buy it.

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Also it's nothing like a BB, AGS only has 6 guns. Whereas all the big boys at T6 have 8 or even 12 that can easily instantly delete cruisers...

 

Another BB strength is their armour, AGS can and will lose shootouts vs other cruisers where as a BB can tank a Cruiser in a straight fight and one good salvo can end things dramatically.

 

 

[Admiral_Noif]

At the time when so many players go for BBs and so little for cruisers,introduction of such cruiser like Graf Spee that has lots of BB specifications was mistake. Now remaining cruiser players who grind their ships have another threat to worry about, beside already existing BBs, and that is very powerful shells of Graf Spee.

Graf Spee is not just another cruiser ship.

 Experienced players who play Graf Spee will quickly realize that their strong point is to load AP, and with low speed reload they will learn that their best targets are other cruisers.

I would argue that Graf Spee is more dangerous against cruisers than BBs, because BBs players at such lower tier still did not gain their best aiming skills, and some dont understand citadel target.

While Graf Spee players will have patience and knowledge to wait for perfect cruiser target, this ship can delete cruiser, same as BBs.

I think it was mistake to give out Graf Spee ship for free so massively.

Massive presence of Graf Spee adds additional tremendous challenge to regular cruiser players.

But it is not too late, i recommend WG to take back these ships from players, expect from those who paid for it.

And to reserve this ship only for those that are ready to buy it.

 

Adapt or deal with it

[Runner357]

 

 

 New IJN BB vs a couple of cruisers and destroyers 

 

 

Too OP! They can clearly set fires so plz WG take em back!!!!

[albinbino]

 

Adapt or deal with it

 

That is all do.  I like to play challenging ships and classes. Many run from cruisers these days, but i on daily basis play Mogami most, even i have far more stronger ships that provide much easier game. Actually when i see that MM has placed me with higher tiers i like that, because i see that as hard mode and chance to score more credits. I reached tier 10 ships long ago of ships that i wanted, now for me remains only to chase missions and play challenging ships, that is satisfaction that still keeps me playing this game.

[159Hunter]

Honestly, because of the slow reload and only 6 barrels, I don't see the issue. A UK cruiser is far more lethal if you broadside them in your cruiser. So I really don't see it.

[Stixius]

For the sake of balancing and historical accuracy. Replace the heal for scuttle after a certain amount of damage.

 

[Capra76]

For the sake of balancing and historical accuracy. Replace the heal for scuttle after a certain amount of damage.

 

Change the mini-map to show you all alone against 20+ ships?

[Deckeru_Maiku]

For the sake of balancing and historical accuracy. Replace the heal for scuttle after a certain amount of damage.

 

Will only happen when the Campbeltown gets it's Explode Button with random timer from 1 to 45 minutes in battle time. So nobody will really know when she explodes. But WHEN she explodes.. oh my, that will be a Big Bang

 

[Juanx]

At the time when so many players go for BBs and so little for cruisers,introduction of such cruiser like Graf Spee that has lots of BB specifications was mistake. Now remaining cruiser players who grind their ships have another threat to worry about, beside already existing BBs, and that is very powerful shells of Graf Spee.

Graf Spee is not just another cruiser ship.

 Experienced players who play Graf Spee will quickly realize that their strong point is to load AP, and with low speed reload they will learn that their best targets are other cruisers.

I would argue that Graf Spee is more dangerous against cruisers than BBs, because BBs players at such lower tier still did not gain their best aiming skills, and some dont understand citadel target.

While Graf Spee players will have patience and knowledge to wait for perfect cruiser target, this ship can delete cruiser, same as BBs.

I think it was mistake to give out Graf Spee ship for free so massively.

Massive presence of Graf Spee adds additional tremendous challenge to regular cruiser players.

But it is not too late, i recommend WG to take back these ships from players, expect from those who paid for it.

And to reserve this ship only for those that are ready to buy it.

 

So your 10 game grand total on the AGS gave you that impression?

You would think that after 5k games you would already know how this works...

[moomoo2]

[VeteranGamer84]

I just got the Graf Spee and I'm not impressed. Only 6 guns with 20 sec reload and cruiser armour. I knew now why did WG give this ship for free.

[Deckeru_Maiku]

I just got the Graf Spee and I'm not impressed. Only 6 guns with 20 sec reload and cruiser armour. I knew now why did WG give this ship for free.

 

B..b...b....but they even sold it for real money, so it can't be that bad, right?

 

Uhm... well... okay, the first two days the Spee was available in the shop I managed to sink two of them in game. With RN cruiser/ IJN DD

 

And after getting my own Spee today, I sank a couple enemy ships. Including a very nasty Blyscawisca, which kept bugging me with it's long range HE spam, but in the end came a bit too close.

 

I ain't got many battles in the Spee yet, but right now she feels like a keeper.

But I'm a special snowflake anyway... I like the Mikasa... the Furry Taco... british cruisers... IJN DDs.... and I play T4 to T8 most of the time. So my opinion is surely not valid for everyone.

 

[shadowwolf9705]

well Spee is a very good and fun to play Cruiser, good range, heavy Firepower, nice Torpedos especially the firezones, quite agile and a nearly below water citadel makes her really good only bad thing is her speed but put a flag on her and she will reach 30knots which is enough for her

[Fesvil]

Hmmmmm underwhelming is what I would label the AGS as.. Sure, the guns are fairly accurate at mid range, long range is a waste of time unless you have nothing else to waste ammo on. The good things are, heal, sonar and insane torping angles.. I fear almost all other T6 cruisers in this ship, regardless of how you angle towards them they will either HE spam you (burn you to a cinder) or if you want to use more than 50% of your firepower you will show them your sweet spot and you are getting hammered by AP. That being said, it's not a bad ship, but the Molotov is WAY better and the regular Budyonny is just insane, although I think I always end up liking the cleveland the most of all T6 (mostly from nostalgia as it was the first line of ships I worked my way to T10 in...).

 

As a trainer it is sort of odd, a bit like Leningrad as you won't really 100% fit your Hindenburg cpt in it or your Grosser Kurfürst. So for cruiser trainer I would use Prinz Eugen and for BB Tirpitz.. Although the Grosser would be better with the Bismarck as the specc is more similar.. Sorry, wandered off topic.. 

 

-Fes

[deadly_if_swallowed]

For the sake of balancing and historical accuracy. Replace the heal for scuttle after a certain amount of damage.

 

Yeah. We need more scuttling anyway When I encountered a strong player on the enemy team who played well but could not behave in chat, I "scuttled" my low-health divisionmate to deny his Kraken. Not too nice but fun anyway

Same goes for Bayern. She needs a scuttling button as well, at least on the stock hull. On the fictional B-hull it can be replaced by heal.

[Raziel_Walker]

(Free) Graf Spee was not a mistake. I would like to keep it even if I probably won't play it all that much.

Nice niche ship. Big guns, but only 6 and you have to show broadside to use them. Without the heal it would be a weak ship.

[NemesisActual]

 

As far as I know, you are entirely correct.

 

And it sort of worked as well, since she wasn't outgunned by those three cruisers that caught up with her at the River Plate. The reason why Captain Langsdorff decided to scuttle the Graf Spee rather than try to break out - which he might very well have succeeded in doing - was that he believed the (false) radio reports from the Royal Navy, according to which heavy reinforcements were already in place. Langsdorff believed he was facing a battle against hopeless odds, and rather than sacrificing the lives of his crew, he scuttled his ship. This was an act of outstanding moral courage, in my opinion - if not in the opinion of the government in Berlin at the time. For the British, this was a victory of Naval Intelligence rather than the Naval Forces.

 

Also, attempting a breakout would have been pointless anyway. After suffering hits at the River Plate, the Graf Spee lost a good deal of fuel and would have never made it to a friendly port. Even if she broke out, she had nowhere to go.

[Procrastes]

 

Also, attempting a breakout would have been pointless anyway. After suffering hits at the River Plate, the Graf Spee lost a good deal of fuel and would have never made it to a friendly port. Even if she broke out, she had nowhere to go.

 

That's an interesting observation, I never thought of that!

But surely, once out from under the Royal Navy's noses, Langsdorff could have radioed for supplies? Or he could have tried to steal commandeer some, perhaps, by raiding an enemy harbour, or boarding an enemy ship? I seem to recall the Emden doing something along those lines during WW1...