whats the point of USA BB line?

[Ecanduysak]

i just got my newyork it is slow, has lower range then any other tier 5's

and according to other comments Yamato > Montana, German tier 10 > Montana

 

so whats the point of grinding on usa bb line?

 

 

edit:

i feel like stupid for wasting my time on usa bb line atm...

[Deathbysoup]

Take this from a player who is currently at the Iowa (tier 9).

 

You have only just hit tier 5 (New York) and this is the first of the triple "modern" Dreadnought class US Battleships. You have to play them like front line tankers essentially. Yes they are slow and the guns dont have the same ridiculous range as the IJN ships but bow on heading straight towards the enemy with support...its one of the most fun things you can do in Ships. You lol as enemy ships attempt to hurt you whilst dishing out pain in response.

 

From tier 8 onwards you get the modern fast Battleship design. North Carolina (NoCal), Iowa and Montana. You have to change your playstyle quite heavily but they are no less effective. Their guns are big enough to hurt most other BBs providing they are not angled and you can delete enemy cruisers in the same spectacular way that the other BB lines can. They have superior range and speed to German and IJN and come equipped with some excellent AA suites. Montana is considered weaker than the Gfurst or Yamato but not by much, its still capable of monstrous damage with its 12x 406mm guns.

 

I have just started playing the IJN BB line and I am up to the Nagato at tier 7 and so far it is quite excellent. It is a different play style to the US line but I find it holds up better in higher tier games because you get more consistent damage from its guns but it is alot squishier. This style of play does not change as you go up to tier 10.

 

German BB line is geared towards close range brawling which is a high risk high reward style of play. Personally I have not played it but I have friends who absolutely love the close range battles.

 

In Summary, no ship line is a waste of time, it depends on what sort of play style you want. Nobody is forcing you to play a certain tree but hopefully this brief overview will give you more of an insight into what to expect.

 

Cheers

Deathbysoup

[Rasengan007]

To see it raining fireballs from the sky, also known as mobile no-fly zones? This was more useful when there were more cv's playing though... but it doesn't seem like high-tier US BBs are bad, just not the "best"..

Edit: seems Deathbysoup beat me to the punch and I agree that the play style is different, thus a matter of personal preference.

[VC381]

Put the range upgrade in the second slot, you don't need more range than that as you won't hit anything at max range anyway. New York has more firepower than the other two and is better armored. New Mexico same, tied for best firepower and easily best armor. The ships are juggernauts, position smartly so you are not alone but also not far from the battle, charge and dish out the pain.

 

T8 the line does a snap-reverse in style and suddenly you have fast ships. I'm not there yet but I have a healthy respect for NCs and Iowas in any ship I play that gets matched with them. "Yamato > Montana" is one of those dumb simplistic things I wish people didn't say. Better at what? I use Yamato to farm damage in my T8 CVs, I don't go near Iowa even unless I'm desperate. I fear Montana's shotgun more than Yamato in a cruiser. There's more to this game than two BBs pointing bow at each-other seeing who pens better.

 

Also, "what's the point?" can be asked of anything. If all the ships are to you is stats and you only grind for the "best" T10 (whatever that means), well, have fun! Since you're playing THIS game instead of more generic online games, I assume you have at least SOME interest in ships. All the US line except Montana has great history, each ship has unique strengths, play to enjoy each one.

[Origin47]

@Ecanduysak

Just remember this:

-New York can be citadeled through the bow and aft by 14"+ guns;

-New Mexico can be citadeled through the bow and aft by 15"+ guns;

-Colorado can be citadeled through the bow and aft by 15"+ guns;

 

[kolloth]

I keep hearing the Yamato > Montana but i just can't make the yamato work for me.

Despite having the same MBH rate in both ships and buy extension slightly higher average damage in yamato, i just can't seem to win in it, 57% wr in montana to 43% in yamato.

I usually play my BBs carefully at the start of the game then push in more as the enemy splits up in the middle of the game but in the yamato i find my team dies really early on and I can't recover it in the yamato.

Plus she's too damn slow and sluggish to turn so she's really vulnerable to torp spam and top tier carriers.

I also find the guns a bit too inaccurate at medium to close ranges to be relied on. I know if i'm in the montana and someone presents a nice broadside at 10-12 km I can make them pay, but in the yamato i've missed 8/9 shells too many times to be fun. they just seem to land all around without hitting, whereas the montana can reliable land them on target.

True, the yamato can punish ships by penning at more oblique angles but it does rely on hitting first.

 

I havent unlocked the german tier 10 yet so I cant comment on that. 

 

[Darod_Khaan]

Angle the US BB´s and they can take a LOT of hits. Add to that good firepower and (for a BB) excellent manoeuvrability in addition to pretty damned good AA, and you have some quite powerful ships. Short range and low speed requires that you pay more attention to positioning than with IJN BB´s but with a bit of skill thats no problem at all. Actually, the extreme range of the IJN BB´s are a bit of a trap. They work best at 10-15 km range, but way to many players stay at close to max range pretending to snipe. Sure, you get the occasional plunging fire citadell (which can be very entertaining), but it is very difficult to do consistent damage at that range due to shell flight time and dispersion and you get absolutely no use out of the armour, health and healing abilities of a BB. The short range of the US BB guns makes it impossible to do this mistake.

[XbodzioXplX]

I keep hearing the Yamato > Montana but i just can't make the yamato work for me.

 

I have the same.

I enjoy Montana more. And sometimes I play Yamato, but she doesn't suits me, despite Yamato's more powerfull guns

[Iron_Gekko]

Deathbysoup, on 12 January 2017 - 01:10 PM, said:

 

I have just started playing the IJN BB line and I am up to the Nagato at tier 7 and so far it is quite excellent. It is a different play style to the US line but I find it holds up better in higher tier games because you get more consistent damage from its guns but it is alot squishier. This style of play does not change as you go up to tier 10.

 

 

The Nagato will be the first true love of your life after the Kongo, I still have mine and stop progressing there... The seize of the guns on that tier and their accuracy is absolutely crushing. The secondaries if boosted are quite terrifying as well.

 

The Fuso has more appeal due to its amount of guns, then again its also a lot easier to play.

[Ecanduysak]

Take this from a player who is currently at the Iowa (tier 9).

 

You have only just hit tier 5 (New York) and this is the first of the triple "modern" Dreadnought class US Battleships. You have to play them like front line tankers essentially. Yes they are slow and the guns dont have the same ridiculous range as the IJN ships but bow on heading straight towards the enemy with support...its one of the most fun things you can do in Ships. You lol as enemy ships attempt to hurt you whilst dishing out pain in response.

 

From tier 8 onwards you get the modern fast Battleship design. North Carolina (NoCal), Iowa and Montana. You have to change your playstyle quite heavily but they are no less effective. Their guns are big enough to hurt most other BBs providing they are not angled and you can delete enemy cruisers in the same spectacular way that the other BB lines can. They have superior range and speed to German and IJN and come equipped with some excellent AA suites. Montana is considered weaker than the Gfurst or Yamato but not by much, its still capable of monstrous damage with its 12x 406mm guns.

 

I have just started playing the IJN BB line and I am up to the Nagato at tier 7 and so far it is quite excellent. It is a different play style to the US line but I find it holds up better in higher tier games because you get more consistent damage from its guns but it is alot squishier. This style of play does not change as you go up to tier 10.

 

German BB line is geared towards close range brawling which is a high risk high reward style of play. Personally I have not played it but I have friends who absolutely love the close range battles.

 

In Summary, no ship line is a waste of time, it depends on what sort of play style you want. Nobody is forcing you to play a certain tree but hopefully this brief overview will give you more of an insight into what to expect.

 

Cheers

Deathbysoup

 

first of all thank you for your time and post. well i read few more post about us line. as i can see us ships are bit more well rounded instead of focusing on some categories.

right now i switched my main BB line to germans. but külfristch (cant spell its name) has lower range than yamato. there is a 6 km difference. idk how much it effects the game in t10 battles.

 

im also at t5 on us cruiser line. what is your opinion on that?

[Ecanduysak]

@Ecanduysak

Just remember this:

-New York can be citadeled through the bow and aft by 14"+ guns;

-New Mexico can be citadeled through the bow and aft by 15"+ guns;

-Colorado can be citadeled through the bow and aft by 15"+ guns;

 

 

well idk anything about inch guns since we use metric system.

shortly you mean new york, new mexico, colorado has better armor then its tiers? or opposite?

[SmartassNoob]

The New Mexico is one of the greatest BBs in the game. It has so many guns that it can even take out DDs when needed. And of all the times I've blown up Scharnhorts with it... In any case it can out maneuver most torps and the few that hit do little to it.

 

As far as I can tell:

• US BBs, like Wyoming and New Mexico are good against cruisers and if needed can defend themselves from destroyers. Torps do little to them, unless obviously when there's too many of them. The South Carolina should just be passed using free XP. The  I don't have the Colorado and I've mostly heard bad things about it. The higher ups are reported to be great, with the exception of Montana. Also, all US BBs have better AA guns than their counter parts.
• Japanese BBs are all snipers and they can't handle being close to anything. Exceptions are the Nagato and the Yamato due to their pretty good secondary guns. The Kawachi should be passed using free XP. Others are a matter of taste.
• German BBs are very strong to other BBs, but they're very weak to DDs. They can't take torps at all. I've heard that the tier 5 and/or tier 6 ships are not as good for some reason, but the others are quite good. Generally to other BBs a german BB is like a tier higher than they appear thanks to superior armor. Gneisenau and Bismark (and their premium versions) have torps, so they're completely different and very capable at fighting things at close range. The last 2 are again something different again. Ask someone else about them.

[Sander93]

As far as I can tell:

• US BBs, like Wyoming and New Mexico are good against cruisers and if needed can defend themselves from destroyers. Torps do little to them, unless obviously when there's too many of them. The South Carolina should just be passed using free XP. The  I don't have the Colorado and I've mostly heard bad things about it. The higher ups are reported to be great, with the exception of Montana. Also, all US BBs have better AA guns than their counter parts.
• Japanese BBs are all snipers and they can't handle being close to anything. Exceptions are the Nagato and the Yamato due to their pretty good secondary guns. The Kawachi should be passed using free XP. Others are a matter of taste.
• German BBs are very strong to other BBs, but they're very weak to DDs. They can't take torps at all. I've heard that the tier 5 and/or tier 6 ships are not as good for some reason, but the others are quite good. Generally to other BBs a german BB is like a tier higher than they appear thanks to superior armor. Gneisenau and Bismark (and their premium versions) have torps, so they're completely different and very capable at fighting things at close range. The last 2 are again something different again. Ask someone else about them.

 

No offense but most of these points are invalid.

The Colorado used to be terribad in closed beta and that reputation still haunts her, but she got buffed a lot since release and it's a good ship now.

Montana is a great ship as well. No, she can't take a Yamato bow-on but I don't know why everyone is so concerned about that. Instead she's excellent at deleting enemy team around enemy Yamato.

High tier Japanese battleships are just as good at medium range as the other BBs. Nagato and Amagi are even harder to citadel up close than NC.

Germany's tier 6 is easily on par with the Fuso/NM and the Bismarck does not have torpedoes.

The Friedrich and Kurrywurst are exactly like the Bismarck but bigger, with all the advantages and disadvantages that come with that.

 

All the USN ships are great. The Germans are easier to play but performance is roughly the same.

The USN BB's main advantage over them is the excellent AA, but with low CV popularity they don't get to use it that often.

If WG manages to fix CVs later this year and if CVs become more abundant once more the performance of the Germans (and IJN) will drop and the USN will be at an advantage compared to the others.

[Comodoro_Allande]

The New Mexico is one of the greatest BBs in the game. It has so many guns that it can even take out DDs when needed. And of all the times I've blown up Scharnhorts with it... In any case it can out maneuver most torps and the few that hit do little to it.

 

As far as I can tell:

• US BBs, like Wyoming and New Mexico are good against cruisers and if needed can defend themselves from destroyers. Torps do little to them, unless obviously when there's too many of them. The South Carolina should just be passed using free XP. The  I don't have the Colorado and I've mostly heard bad things about it. The higher ups are reported to be great, with the exception of Montana. Also, all US BBs have better AA guns than their counter parts.
• Japanese BBs are all snipers and they can't handle being close to anything. Exceptions are the Nagato and the Yamato due to their pretty good secondary guns. The Kawachi should be passed using free XP. Others are a matter of taste.
• German BBs are very strong to other BBs, but they're very weak to DDs. They can't take torps at all. I've heard that the tier 5 and/or tier 6 ships are not as good for some reason, but the others are quite good. Generally to other BBs a german BB is like a tier higher than they appear thanks to superior armor. Gneisenau and Bismark (and their premium versions) have torps, so they're completely different and very capable at fighting things at close range. The last 2 are again something different again. Ask someone else about them.

 

South Carolina and Kawachi should never ever be passed with free XP, use it to research hulls (at least with the IJN BB's)

[SmartassNoob]

@Sander93 You are free to disagree, but that's a combination of what I've experienced, observed in battle and sometimes just heard from rumors/complaints at this forum. And I didn't mean that the german tier 5/6 would be poor in comparison to US and Japanese BBs. I read somewhere they're (or at least one of them) is a disappointment in comparison to how well the lower tier german BBs felt. My own highest tier german BB is tier 4, so I only know them from an enemies point of view. And I did say that german BBs are very strong to other BBs. I guess I should have been more clear. Anyway, as for Montana, I'm sure it probably is good at hunting for cruisers, but I keep hearing from everywhere that it's a major disappointment and that it's inferior to the Iowa.

 

@Comodoro_Allande What do you mean? That if there's ever a poorly performing unfun ship, you MUST still grind through it? Why? You're not making any sense at all.

[FaceFisted]

i just got my newyork it is slow, has lower range then any other tier 5's

and according to other comments Yamato > Montana, German tier 10 > Montana

 

so whats the point of grinding on usa bb line?

 

 

edit:

i feel like stupid for wasting my time on usa bb line atm...

 

Don't believe everything you read. Montana is an awesome ship. I like it more than Yamato. Entire branch is great.

[Sander93]

Anyway, as for Montana, I'm sure it probably is good at hunting for cruisers, but I keep hearing from everywhere that it's a major disappointment and that it's inferior to the Iowa.

 

​Then everywhere is wrong. It's not a disappointment and it's definitely not inferior to the Iowa. It has way superior armor and armament for slightly worse manoeuvrability.

 

If you want to compare battleships or cruisers, check my stats.

[Darod_Khaan]

As far as I can tell:

• Japanese BBs are all snipers and they can't handle being close to anything. Exceptions are the Nagato and the Yamato due to their pretty good secondary guns. The Kawachi should be passed using free XP. Others are a matter of taste.

 

I have to disagree on this bit. Sure, IJN BB´s aren´t that good at knife fighting, but that don´t make them snipers either. Sure, they have immense range, but it´s largely a trap. Dispersion at max range makes you inefficient. They do however excel at medium range (10-15km or there about). You'll land more shells on target and do far more damage than if you stay at max range sniping. Also, staying at max range sniping means no one is shooting at you and the rest of the team have to tank damage that you could have taken in stead. Most IJN BB´s are quite tough and can take a beating. Sure, you'll loose health, but that´s why you have healing.

Some of my very best Fuso games were the ones in witch I played here aggressively, starting out bombarding at medium range and then closing in to short range (less than 10km) to finish of the enemies. Bonus: No one expects a Fuso at point blank range. Cruisers are deleted instantly! 

 

[FaceFisted]

Now I have some time to write a bit more about this branch.

 

As I said - don't believe everything you read since people cry a lot on this forums for all kind of reasons, rarely justified. US branch is the tankiest branch around in midtiers and later on they get best AA in game and most accurate guns, which meant a lot in high tiers. I consider them tanky because you can use your armor to effectively bounce most enemy shells. Being able to bounce more shells with proper angling means a lot more than german turtleback armor that rarely gets citadel penetrations. 

 

This is my comparison of Montana and Yamato since I have them both. Believe it or not, I like Montana more and I don't consider it inferior than Yamato in any way. This is why:

- Montana is more maneuverable

- Montana has more accurate guns

- Montana guns turn much faster, especially with Steven Segal as captain. That allows you to reposition yourself much faster for that nice bounces.

- If you have used Steven Segal for Expert loader skill, you can change shell type in ~7s so you can adapt to any possible scenario.

- Montana has best AA in game - even T10 CVs are afraid to send planes near you, so you can at least take that off your mind when playing.

- If you can't pen angled Yamato, you sure can burn him. His shots may pen your armor, but you may deal even more damage to him with fires and HE fired from 12 accurate guns. Since fire strength is based on percentage, more total health enemy has, more damage you will do to him.

 

Entire US branch is enjoyable. I think it is the best balanced branch in game, but I understand your frustration because playing in NY must be terrible now since WG has made a mess of matchmaking. They should really remove that limit and alow +-2 for MM for all tiers except the 1st tier.

[Raziel_Walker]

US line: with the release of the Missouri it is best to buy this ship and print credits.

German line: get a Bismarck and stop the grind.

IJN line: grind it if you want a Yamato.

 

That said, I mostly enjoyed the US/IJN BB grind but there weren't any german BB's around when I leveled mine and the meta wasn't that BB heavy yet. Don't think I would enjoy grinding through the short range ships at this time.

 

[Ecanduysak]

Now I have some time to write a bit more about this branch.

 

As I said - don't believe everything you read since people cry a lot on this forums for all kind of reasons, rarely justified. US branch is the tankiest branch around in midtiers and later on they get best AA in game and most accurate guns, which meant a lot in high tiers. I consider them tanky because you can use your armor to effectively bounce most enemy shells. Being able to bounce more shells with proper angling means a lot more than german turtleback armor that rarely gets citadel penetrations. 

 

This is my comparison of Montana and Yamato since I have them both. Believe it or not, I like Montana more and I don't consider it inferior than Yamato in any way. This is why:

- Montana is more maneuverable

- Montana has more accurate guns

- Montana guns turn much faster, especially with Steven Segal as captain. That allows you to reposition yourself much faster for that nice bounces.

- If you have used Steven Segal for Expert loader skill, you can change shell type in ~7s so you can adapt to any possible scenario.

- Montana has best AA in game - even T10 CVs are afraid to send planes near you, so you can at least take that off your mind when playing.

- If you can't pen angled Yamato, you sure can burn him. His shots may pen your armor, but you may deal even more damage to him with fires and HE fired from 12 accurate guns. Since fire strength is based on percentage, more total health enemy has, more damage you will do to him.

 

Entire US branch is enjoyable. I think it is the best balanced branch in game, but I understand your frustration because playing in NY must be terrible now since WG has made a mess of matchmaking. They should really remove that limit and alow +-2 for MM for all tiers except the 1st tier.

its one of the few post good about montana. i just switched to KM BB line after i complete it im probably gonna switch back to US line.

the gun range of japan battleships are bit scary. i saw lot of people eating citadels in early game because of that lol.

[FaceFisted]

its one of the few post good about montana. i just switched to KM BB line after i complete it im probably gonna switch back to US line.

the gun range of japan battleships are bit scary. i saw lot of people eating citadels in early game because of that lol.

 

That's really a lottery - Throw a dice every time you fire IJN guns. If you get 1 or 2 on 6-sided dice - you managed to hit

 

At the moment, judging by how much trouble enemy BBs give me, I would dare to say that Montana is best T10 for me.

Yamato has great armor and awesome guns, but is very situational.

German T10... that one never gave me any problems as enemy. Paper armor, huge hull and visible from Moon. Great secondaries. Only they are scary

[Gabzool]

German T10... that one never gave me any problems as enemy. Paper armor, huge hull and visible from Moon. Great secondaries. Only they are scary

The german t10 has everything just not paper armor, The fore end plating on t10 is 60mm. The deck armor is also 50mm almost the whole deck.The problem is 95 percent cant play G kurfurst and show broadside for 20-30k penetration salvos like [edited].

 

One on one in close fight i lose to kurfurst in my yamato. Even montana can outplay yamy if u dont get citadels trough front armor. The slow turet rotation is enough to get oneshot by both montana and G kurfust. Actualy from close range almost any t8 and higher bb can oneshot yamato if he survives to get there, takes a turn and u cant do a crapwith that turret rotation.

In yamy u need to lob laser accurate shells as much as possible at medium ranges, if u get too close to more ships u die very fast.

 

Also Montanas big weaknes is deck armor. High explosive realy hurts and makes masive dmg. And with the new t4 inertia fuse talent 203mm guns could reach 42+mm and dmg everything on the deck except guns.

 

Compared to Kurfust brutal HE imunity where only litle parts of fore end and aft end can take 203mm HE dmg + the 19mm superstructure.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[El2aZeR]

- Montana is more maneuverable

 

Monty is faster, but Yama is actually more maneuverable with a slightly better turning circle and rudder shift (although rudder is only a 0.1s difference).

 

most accurate guns

 

This actually depends on the range. I believe Iowa & Monty are the most accurate BBs inside ~14km IF you take the accuracy module. Outside of that IJN BBs still outperform them (albeit by a very slim margin until around 20km, at which point people stop caring anyway).

If you don't take the accuracy module they're about as accurate as KM BBs. Only their slightly better sigma saves them in this regard.

 

Also Montanas big weaknes is deck armor. High explosive realy hurts and makes masive dmg. And with the new t4 inertia fuse talent 203mm guns could reach 42+mm and dmg everything on the deck except guns.

 

This is actually a big issue going forward. And wouldn't be if WG had modeled her armor correctly (*inb4 anti-US bias* )

 

My biggest problem with Monty is that, despite having such great characteristics for brawling, she can't really brawl. Her ahistorical citadel size makes brawling with anything almost suicidal. This also makes her incredibly unforgiving to play (less so than Iowa, but still).

She's definitely not weak, but compared to her contemporaries she does feel lacking from time to time.

 

EDIT: Took my Monty out today for the first time in a while.

Not sure why I even bothered. #funandengaging

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Maybe it's about time WG gives all USN BB that accuracy module that every other nation has...