Cpl_johan11 Beta Tester 60 posts 295 battles Report post #26 Posted January 11, 2017 The only military more incompetent than the french and all I hear about it is love. But yeah ridicule the baguettes. How is that post ridiculing the French navy? it isn't even mentioned in there. And calling the Italian navy more incompetent than France would be a gross unjustice. Doesn't mean that it was perfect (and neither was the French navy), but it preformed for 3 years while being significantly out teched, without air cover, and without sufficient fuel...and did alright considering the odds against it. The French navy meanwhile spent most of the war sulking in ports about British betrayal, and even though some French captains saw the light and sailed out for Free France, none of its large ships did, and as a result, did not really play a role in the war after 1940. So even if they were more competent, wich i would agree with in terms of the naval general staff, they didn't use this competence...this is why many people prefer Italy, as it fought in quite a few more naval battles than france in WW2 5 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #27 Posted January 11, 2017 The only military more incompetent than the french and all I hear about it is love. But yeah ridicule the baguettes. I don't even know how to respond to such ignorant comment. Those that make fun of French are same idiots that make fun of Italians. People want Italian ships because they were very advanced, cool looking and actually fought in major WWII engagements. It has nothing to do with being French, Italian etc. French despite having also some really cool ships fought only in a few naval engagements most of which were under the flag of Vichy France - Dakar, Koh Chang and Madagascar. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CLADS] olmedreca Players 226 posts 5,719 battles Report post #28 Posted January 11, 2017 AND NO BLOODY INFO ABOUT THE CV REWORK! Every time they touch CVs things seem to be getting worse, so I wouldn't see this so negatively. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Porpoisee Players 812 posts 2,660 battles Report post #29 Posted January 11, 2017 I think we will receive full RN BB line along with heavy cruiser or CV line. The French will get cruisers + battleships for sure. I am little bit scared about new armament type. I think it will be non-guided missiles for the upcoming russian DDs. I am little bit scared. Will we receive tomahawks for Iowas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TNG] TheCoolBird Players 136 posts 2,171 battles Report post #30 Posted January 11, 2017 Kiev is great fun. At least get to tier 7 first. Is that so? I can do that. I need to earn xp as it is, so I'll get to Kiev. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #31 Posted January 11, 2017 I highly doubt they'll include 1958 soviet nuclear warhead anti-ship missiles in WoWs as it would break the game on way too many levels. Meanwhile in WG development center 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] fumtu [CR33D] Players 3,842 posts 38,926 battles Report post #32 Posted January 11, 2017 Pretty sure that those were Kotlin class DDs, not Kildin. I highly doubt they'll include 1958 soviet nuclear warhead anti-ship missiles in WoWs as it would break the game on way too many levels. Kildin class is a subclass of Kotlin class so they are very similar. But ship in the video is a Kildin class. You can notice there there isn't 130mm gun mounting in front but 2 quadruple 57mm mountings on the drawings beside model Also Kotlin class don't have that elevated platform for A position gun mount I guess the missiles won't use nuclear warheads but rather conventional ones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #33 Posted January 11, 2017 I really hope for French BB line instead of DD. IF im not wrong we have more DD's in game then BB's. And British BB? Yes please there will always be more DD lines than BB lines because not every nation had BBs but most nations had DDs and many different classes on top more so than BBs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #34 Posted January 11, 2017 Kildin class is a subclass of Kotlin class so they are very similar. But ship in the video is a Kildin class. You can notice there there isn't 130mm gun mounting in front but 2 quadruple 57mm mountings on the drawings beside model Also Kotlin class don't have that elevated platform for A position gun mount I guess the missiles won't use nuclear warheads but rather conventional ones. so that opens the gates for this 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Auzor_S Players 138 posts 9,010 battles Report post #35 Posted January 11, 2017 * I was actually rather hoping to see British DD's.. certainly before the French?? * Skeptical of guided missile destroyers. And am especially anti-mines: this would mean DD's would get even worse if a BB just turns it back towards it and sails away... *Whatever WG plans are, WG EU plans apparently keep including ridiculous missions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TSSHI] Kazomir Players 1,566 posts Report post #36 Posted January 11, 2017 Every Wargaming, and warthunder for that fact, game, just HAS to include god-damn Cold War stuff. Why? Why? WHY?? What is so wrong with leaving it from WW1 to the end of WW2??? Inclusion of missiles will just lead to inclusion of lot more cold war stuff on the slippery slope, Jet planes will come back...goddammit... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #37 Posted January 11, 2017 It's depth charges for destroyers. Needed to hunt upcoming submarines with the RDF skill... It's all coming together 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] NoirLotus [CPC] Quality Poster 2,545 posts 13,085 battles Report post #38 Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Well French CA line already revealed in the Santa Video, the other line seems like its going to be a DD line since all the renderings they showed are rather small ships. Problem is that french DDs are Contre-torpilleurs, aka DD hunters, with hard hitting guns and great speed, and that niche has been stolen by russian DDs. So unless WG uses the russian DD split to change their role, I hardly see them putting into play a branch with a gameplay that is already in game. On the other hand, french BBs are easy to implement as their specific gameplay is quite obivous : all guns front-facing !! Edited January 11, 2017 by NoirLotus Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WGB] 13Ninjas Players 198 posts 2,769 battles Report post #39 Posted January 11, 2017 DD rushes cap, lays smoke, lays mines. BBs blunder into it, get nuked. Unless they put mines in the same consumable group as the smoke, then you have a choice, Smoke or Mines, I think that's fair, If mines are ever introduced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] Robber_Baron Players 1,322 posts 7,981 battles Report post #40 Posted January 11, 2017 Problem is that french DDs are Contre-torpilleurs, aka DD hunters, No, they are torpedoboat hunters, just like why the first destroyers entered service. Contre-torpilleur means somewhat like anti-torpedoboat. Or Torpedo Boat Destroyer if you like. And I believe that was the original name before it was shortened to "destroyer". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
moomoo2 Players 384 posts 12,670 battles Report post #41 Posted January 11, 2017 Is that so? I can do that. I need to earn xp as it is, so I'll get to Kiev. Ognevoi is a nuisance, but persevere and you find a stupidly quick gunboat. On Udaloi now and it's very similar. Tashkent is just an aberration..it's basically a British cruiser with better gun arcs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,184 battles Report post #42 Posted January 11, 2017 Is that so? I can do that. I need to earn xp as it is, so I'll get to Kiev. Not convinced it's worth grind. I find USN and IJN ships much more fun in tiers 6+ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kurbain Players 1,976 posts 2,773 battles Report post #43 Posted January 11, 2017 Every Wargaming, and warthunder for that fact, game, just HAS to include god-damn Cold War stuff. Why? Why? WHY?? What is so wrong with leaving it from WW1 to the end of WW2??? Inclusion of missiles will just lead to inclusion of lot more cold war stuff on the slippery slope, Jet planes will come back...goddammit... I doubt WG will implement ships with missiles. Doesn't fit the theme of the game in my opinion and would be difficult to balance.The introduction of ships that carried missiles in real-life might be a possibility, but I imagine they would remove the missiles on those and only keep the main guns/torpedoes. At this point it's all just pure speculation, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Unintentional_submarine [SPUDS] Beta Tester 4,052 posts 8,765 battles Report post #44 Posted January 11, 2017 No, they are torpedoboat hunters, just like why the first destroyers entered service. Contre-torpilleur means somewhat like anti-torpedoboat. Or Torpedo Boat Destroyer if you like. And I believe that was the original name before it was shortened to "destroyer". This is correct. Destroyers were 'torpedo boat destroyers', but obviously that was a bit of a mouthful so it was quickly shortened. It should be noted that several of the destroyers ingame are in fact torpedo boats. But it is simply a matter of terminology. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,184 battles Report post #45 Posted January 11, 2017 They didn't say they fix chat or UI bugs... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #46 Posted January 12, 2017 Kildin class is a subclass of Kotlin class so they are very similar. But ship in the video is a Kildin class. You can notice there there isn't 130mm gun mounting in front but 2 quadruple 57mm mountings on the drawings beside model Also Kotlin class don't have that elevated platform for A position gun mount I guess the missiles won't use nuclear warheads but rather conventional ones. But they already gave us this at WGfest: Considering these are all post war ships I'd expect them to be the last ships on the branch so Smeliy tier 8, Neustrashimy tier 9 andProject 56 will be tier 10 I'd assume so either Kotlin or Kildin (56M), not both. However the image used at WGfest seems to have the front turret which points to Kotlin. But mostly I just hope that they won't do anti ship missile in WoWs. I mean this is a bloody guided missile while the IJN DD and BB tech tree ends with ships launched in 1941/42. Missiles have no place in this game. I'm not 100% certain but I am fairly sure that the devs also said that they wouldn't be including such advanced weapons either. Their justifciation for using post-war designs was that gun technology didn't develop much further after the war so it would be somewhat balanced. So far they have given no indication that they are introducing missiles into the game and refered to the branches as destroyer leader and artillery destroyer. I'd also doubt they'd introduce a ship without a main battery (that is not a CV obviously). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #47 Posted January 12, 2017 But they already gave us this at WGfest: Considering these are all post war ships I'd expect them to be the last ships on the branch so Smeliy tier 8, Neustrashimy tier 9 andProject 56 will be tier 10 I'd assume so either Kotlin or Kildin (56M), not both. However the image used at WGfest seems to have the front turret which points to Kotlin. But mostly I just hope that they won't do anti ship missile in WoWs. I mean this is a bloody guided missile while the IJN DD and BB tech tree ends with ships launched in 1941/42. Missiles have no place in this game. I'm not 100% certain but I am fairly sure that the devs also said that they wouldn't be including such advanced weapons either. Their justifciation for using post-war designs was that gun technology didn't develop much further after the war so it would be somewhat balanced. So far they have given no indication that they are introducing missiles into the game and refered to the branches as destroyer leader and artillery destroyer. I'd also doubt they'd introduce a ship without a main battery (that is not a CV obviously). IJN did have some post war DDs, nothing special. Maybe they will be the tier 9 and 10 for the sub-branch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #48 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) IJN did have some post war DDs, nothing special. Maybe they will be the tier 9 and 10 for the sub-branch. Uhm, that's kinda unlikely considering, you know, the iJN got dissolved after WW2. Any viable (read: non-missile) JMSDF cold-war DD would either be a Fletcher or thoroughly lacking in both gun and torpedo armament. Edited January 12, 2017 by El2aZeR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-EXS-] Hades_warrior Players 5,381 posts 6,643 battles Report post #49 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) there will always be more DD lines than BB lines because not every nation had BBs but most nations had DDs and many different classes on top more so than BBs Yea, sadly but true. That current line balance is bad. As BB player-DD hater I want more BB's(!) Edited January 12, 2017 by Hades_warrior Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #50 Posted January 12, 2017 Mines would increase the camping in game by exponential amounts... No idea how missiles would work but I'd rather have those in game than mines as mediocre players wouldn't get lol 1 shotted. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
