CaptainThunderWalker Players 357 posts 3,178 battles Report post #51 Posted February 28, 2017 Tier VI or VII, depending on if you give her 8 (4×2) or 10 (2×2 and 2×3) guns. Even then, she'd probably be fairly average unless Wargaming thinks of a fun gimmick for the Dutch line. Best that can be said is that they'd be better than the Pensacola. The Dutch line would be lovely for low-tier gameplay as the Hosho and Langley sealclubbers would finally have something to worry about, but the mid tiers would be pretty bland - and high tiers would be mostly paper and could be pretty much everything, though Design 1047 at Tier X would undoubtedly be very powerful (as it would be a Moskva with bigger guns, basically...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #52 Posted March 3, 2017 Wikipedia, Wackypedia. It's just a tool; you have to use it right. Of course, it doesn't help if an academic, supposedly expert of WWII and Germany, makes a mistake that reeks of inattention, and it gets quoted in the above-mentioned tool... Well, to be fair academics make mistakes all the time. That's why we have peer review systems before stuff is published. Statements such as "the biggest" or "the greatest ever" adds spice to a text, but are also completely meaningless as long as those terms are not defined. Largest as measured by what? Number of participants? Tonnage? Losses? Length of time? Something else completely? The wiki article quotes a text by Weinberg. I don't have access to it (at least not here and now), and although he probably qualifies his statement there, but the wiki editor who used him as a source didn't include that part, this rendering the statement pointless. All of this is known to the reader of the article, though. You can't assume that the article says something when the info isn't there. That's just basic source criticism. =) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #53 Posted March 3, 2017 (edited) Well, to be fair academics make mistakes all the time. That's why we have peer review systems before stuff is published. Statements such as "the biggest" or "the greatest ever" adds spice to a text, but are also completely meaningless as long as those terms are not defined. Largest as measured by what? Number of participants? Tonnage? Losses? Length of time? Something else completely? The wiki article quotes a text by Weinberg. I don't have access to it (at least not here and now), and although he probably qualifies his statement there, but the wiki editor who used him as a source didn't include that part, this rendering the statement pointless. All of this is known to the reader of the article, though. You can't assume that the article says something when the info isn't there. That's just basic source criticism. =) I acknowledge that, but peer review, while a good method, does not 100% guarantee that a mistake won't slip through; although it would be too much to ask for it. An academic may very well feel the need to add such "spices", but he should do well to add them right. I found the exact quote: In the Battle of Java Sea, the largest surface naval battle since Jutland in 1916, the Japanese literally destroyed the Allied fleet in a series of engagements on February 27-28. This may be a generic statement, but I don't believe we can't agree that it merely implies a size-based notion on which he makes that claim; and, in my opinion, that means that my criticism based on the other battle I pointed to is justified, I believe. Because I very well know that quotes can be misattributed or misunderstood, and I immediately went to search for the original one to see if this was the case. Edited March 3, 2017 by Historynerd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PAR] 123PanzerSchokolade Players 2 posts 4,551 battles Report post #54 Posted March 7, 2017 How about this one? Seems more competitive.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn-class_cruiser Think that that would be a nice one and it could be either a premium ship or like in world of tanks be incorporated in the German tech tree (as could be the Callenburgh) XD I am really desperate about seeing at least one Dutch ship in the game and would be at this point even satisfied with a lend leased British Destroyer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #55 Posted March 7, 2017 Think that that would be a nice one and it could be either a premium ship or like in world of tanks be incorporated in the German tech tree (as could be the Callenburgh) XD I am really desperate about seeing at least one Dutch ship in the game and would be at this point even satisfied with a lend leased British Destroyer Campbeltown served in the Dutch navy ( briefly ) ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLAPP] lameoll Players 1,792 posts 10,834 battles Report post #56 Posted April 17, 2017 there probably wont come a full line . but i would like to see a dutch premium tho the dutch navy was more active in asia fighting the japanese then in europe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #57 Posted April 17, 2017 Think that that would be a nice one and it could be either a premium ship or like in world of tanks be incorporated in the German tech tree (as could be the Callenburgh) XD I am really desperate about seeing at least one Dutch ship in the game and would be at this point even satisfied with a lend leased British Destroyer If the Polish can get a ship as an independant nation in WoWs than the Dutch with their long naval history and significance should as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FK] Combat_Hamster Players 438 posts 33,869 battles Report post #58 Posted April 17, 2017 Would like to see a Tromp, but would be tier 5 absolute tops........with regard to the Java Sea, I was given a book when 14 'The Forlorn Battle' is a very good read..still have it.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #59 Posted April 17, 2017 I just have a great idea!! Would someone be willing to make a RTS game of the France in history. Starting with Louis XIV all the way to the second world war. The European wars, the wars on the colonies with different factions/ countries? But leave Russia out of it please.... What historical role did they ever play in that? *just to level on the feelings here* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MDS] HNMLS_Bloyesvantreslong Players 33 posts Report post #60 Posted June 18, 2017 I just have a great idea!! Would someone be willing to make a RTS game of the France in history. Starting with Louis XIV all the way to the second world war. The European wars, the wars on the colonies with different factions/ countries? But leave Russia out of it please.... What historical role did they ever play in that? *just to level on the feelings here* Interesting idea exept lets start at 1492 where the age of exploration enlightenment and revolution started. as it was the start of global empires and naval inovations Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
