BBs with inertia Fuse - Dead Cruisers?

[Kazomir]

Theoretically, Ever wondered what would happen if overpens did not exist? A BB that takes the HE penetration skill will now break cruisers left and right from my expectations since they have just enough pen to get to the citadel without overpenetrating. Shells that miss and go into the superstructure will also cause fires instead of overpenetrating as well.  And correct me here if I am in the wrong, angling will not help since HE is not affected by it.

 

 

Has somebody tested this? Please prove me wrong.

[Shirakami_Kon]

I didn't test it on the TS, but I thought the same when I saw that skill. Remembering that surprisingly high amount of BBs that shoot HE, you know? But well, since this game cater to all the potatoes to be I expect nothing else.

[_ramrus_]

Cruisers ?

Fuso did 30k damage with HE salvo to my NC

 

Try it out on test server

[Kazomir]

Cruisers ?

Fuso did 30k damage with HE salvo to my NC

 

Try it out on test server

 

No access to a computer for now, but holy hell.

[aboomination]

And all of this just to shift the focus of HE from DoT to direct dmg... 

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

Sometimes I wonder how that could work on a Scharnhorst since with a quick reload for a BB Scharnhorst already benefits of knowing the right ammo choice. AP would still better when targets aren't angled, but a Scharnhorst with that skill against angled ships that kind of countered you specially if they are BBs?

[Nechrom]

What makes you think the skill will make such a difference?

As far as I can tell, only the German BBs will get much out of the skill out of all the BBs.

 

Even the Yamato wouldn't be able to penetrate a CA belt with the skill. And everywhere else on the cruiser you could already penetrate with every BB without the skill.

[woppy101]

What makes you think the skill will make such a difference?

As far as I can tell, only the German BBs will get much out of the skill out of all the BBs.

 

Even the Yamato wouldn't be able to penetrate a CA belt with the skill. And everywhere else on the cruiser you could already penetrate with every BB without the skill.

 

I'm sure someone went into detail about the skill and anything with 16" and above with the new skill will be able to pen the belt on any cruiser, it's certainly one of the first skills I will have on all of my BBs 

[Nechrom]

 

I'm sure someone went into detail about the skill and anything with 16" and above with the new skill will be able to pen the belt on any cruiser, it's certainly one of the first skills I will have on all of my BBs 

 

I would like to see that math, because that makes no sense.

[woppy101]

 

I would like to see that math, because that makes no sense.

 

I'm sure someone more learned than me will be around sooner or later to point it out  I just remember reading it which made up my mind that it will be my first tier4 skill

[_ramrus_]

You can already pen cruisers with BB HE, but even with 30% extra you cannot go trough 100mm of citadel. Yamato, GK could  but HE damage si low.

[Nechrom]

 

I'm sure someone more learned than me will be around sooner or later to point it out  I just remember reading it which made up my mind that it will be my first tier4 skill

 

Yamato: 1.3(460/6) = 99.7

That's about as easy as math gets.

[Exocet6951]

 

I would like to see that math, because that makes no sense.

 

It doesn't.

The Yamato would only be able to do so if you round up the "penetration" from 99.67mm to an even 100mm (which I doubt it does)

 

The only ones truly benefitting from the skill are CLs with 152mm guns which will finally be able to deal damage to 25mm armor plating, the Akizuki which will finally be able to use HE, and German BBs which will all have over 120mm of HE "penetration", save for the 305mm armed ones which will "only" have 99mm, the same as the Yamato, because German BBs are totally balanced and also needed special HE.

 

[Shirakami_Kon]

German BBs which will all have over 120mm of HE "penetration", save for the 305mm armed ones which will "only" have 99mm, the same as the Yamato, because German BBs are totally balanced and also needed special HE.

 

Huh? I barely ever use HE with my BBs so I didn't notice but German BBs have more HE pen that other BBs? Why?

[Exocet6951]

 

Huh? I barely ever use HE with my BBs so I didn't notice but German BBs have more HE pen that other BBs? Why?

 

For some reason that baffles me, German BB HE gets 1/4th of the shell's caliber as HE penetration.

 

The reason that it's not as well known is that BBs only shoot HE at another BB when the latter bow tanks, and there's really no way to citpen with HE that way.

Even if you get a side shot with HE on a BB, there's really none past maybe tier3 with citadel plating directly exposed, so even then it's not possible.

 

On cruisers however...

Shoot a Mogami or Ibuki's citadel with the FDG or Currywurst's HE, and you're very likely to citpen. 

The extra 30% to penetration might be enough to shoot hull plating over citadel armor and still get citpens though, and that's a concern since HE doesn't give a care in the world about impact angle or line of sight armor.

[Shirakami_Kon]

 

For some reason that baffles me, German BB HE gets 1/4th of the shell's caliber as HE penetration.

 

The reason that it's not as well known is that BBs only shoot HE at another BB when the latter bow tanks, and there's really no way to citpen with HE that way.

Even if you get a side shot with HE on a BB, there's really none past maybe tier3 with citadel plating directly exposed, so even then it's not possible.

 

On cruisers however...

Shoot a Mogami or Ibuki's citadel with the FDG or Currywurst's HE, and you're very likely to citpen. 

The extra 30% to penetration might be enough to shoot hull plating over citadel armor and still get citpens though, and that's a concern since HE doesn't give a care in the world about impact angle or line of sight armor.

 

I see... Well, something new learned today. But I don't understand why that buff to the German HE. I understand the they gave to the German cruisers from tier 8+ since aparently it was so weak, but a penetration buff to HE? To BBs? Well, whatever... Thanks for the info. ​

[El2aZeR]

I think it has something to do with the unification of nation specific shell traits (e.g. normalization of all shells of one nation is the same). They probably can't change the HE pen value for KM BBs because that'd affect KM cruisers as well.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Sorry,

 

Call me a troll or what not but why would a seasoned BB pilot take this?

 

Is landing 20k citadels not enough for you?

 

Does using AP only make you feel sad?

 

Do you feel you need to spend less time aiming so the HE can do lazy penetrating damage?

 

Do you feel BBs need more buffs? 

 

 

[Corvi]

Does that skill also apply to secondary guns ? If yes that would make German BB's a lot stronger .. Or the Mighty Mikasa :o

[Shirakami_Kon]

Sorry,

 

Call me a troll or what not but why would a seasoned BB pilot take this?

 

Is landing 20k citadels not enough for you?

 

Does using AP only make you feel sad?

 

Do you feel you need to spend less time aiming so the HE can do lazy penetrating damage?

 

Do you feel BBs need more buffs? 

 

 

 

Meh... I personally agree, but I'm kind of concerned about all those potatoes I find in my matches shooting HE, even to ships that present a perfect broadside to them asking to be deleted but then the random BB shoots HE and... well. But if that's how the skill it's going to work and it doesn't have a cap in caliber like BFT and AFT to exclude BBs all those bad players are going to get rewarded for sticking with HE with more consistent damage, no bounces and no overpens without caring if the target angles at all. The only way they lose to the one using AP is damage per citadel hit, but that's it.

 

It's a reward to potatoes in BB, just like RPF. I'm going to really dislike it if it doesn't exclude BBs.

[Vanhal]

What makes you think the skill will make such a difference?

As far as I can tell, only the German BBs will get much out of the skill out of all the BBs.

 

Even the Yamato wouldn't be able to penetrate a CA belt with the skill. And everywhere else on the cruiser you could already penetrate with every BB without the skill.

 

It's just Kazomir. In the absence of Skybuck and Acheron he must fill the whine threads quota.

[Kurbain]

Even if BBs had enough penetration to citadel cruisers with HE it wouldn't really matter, because

A) HE citadel hits deal a lot less damage than AP citadel hits

B) The fuse time on HE is extremely short. Unless the citadel is directly connected to the outside, the shell will explode before it reaches the citadel.

 

HEAP is of very little use for BBs. The only BB it could be worth using on is the Scharnhorst, because then it can penetrate 50mm armor plates.

Will be good for cruisers if bad BB players take HEAP and start spamming HE.

[AUT_Znarf]

Why would I desecrate the holy barrels of my mighty high caliber artillery with Heresy Ammunition? 

 

I mean, there's no way to run out of AP ammo?

 

Right?

 

 

Right?! >panic<

[SovietFury43]

What makes you think the skill will make such a difference?

As far as I can tell, only the German BBs will get much out of the skill out of all the BBs.

 

Even the Yamato wouldn't be able to penetrate a CA belt with the skill. And everywhere else on the cruiser you could already penetrate with every BB without the skill.

 

And German BBs just so happen to be the most played ships in the game.

 

Great...

[ScratxNeko]

Sorry,

 

Call me a troll or what not but why would a seasoned BB pilot take this?

 

Is landing 20k citadels not enough for you?

 

Does using AP only make you feel sad?

 

Do you feel you need to spend less time aiming so the HE can do lazy penetrating damage?

 

Do you feel BBs need more buffs? 

 

 

 

Secondaries are affected too, AFAIK. Perhaps the secondaries alone would be worth it for some battleships? German BBs for example with their 150mm secondaries would be able to pen battleship hull plating of 32mm...