Anyone else having problems with BB players and inteligence ?

[Joergensen]

First thing, there are good BB players out there and god bless the battles where u find em.

 

Enuone else noticed that BB players have been degrading in skill/inteligence last months ?

Ok, its fine if a BB doesnt charge blindly ahead, or use causion if there are lots of DDs... well eny use of inteligent action is fine. But more and more battles they act as brainless idiots (just dont have bad enough words for it) U can find the best ingame close combat monsters creeping behind an island or so far from the battle or cap zones that they barly have the gun range, They do stuff that there are no reason to do. Want with this post to start a small competition, posting screenshot of the dumbest situations gotten in a screenshoot.

 

Starts with scrn shot of the 2 of this morning battle : Pic 1: me and my division friend did cap the zone, scout up the enemy DDs , and the BBs did... well run for the border... behind the taken cap and stayed there...

Pic 2: my division did cap center, spotted and engaged 2 of the enemys DDS before we did get so much beating we had to withdraw... pic shows the non inteligent actions from our BBs

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[Ghostychan]

I remember my Nagato match yesterday

My division buddies and me are on the east flank, fending of DDs, Cruisers, and an Iowa and Amagi

Our teams 3 Bismarcks (which were in one division) and Friedrich on the west flank, camping behind islands, because there is one Sims.

(the remaining enemy BBs, all on the "Bismarck flank" were long range snipers apparently)

 

I agree, not charging in blindly is not stupid, but 4 BBs with hydro and insane secondary range held of by one T VII DD?

 

Long story short, our team lost and my Nagato ended up with the most base XP in our team (in a T IX match)

[Azalgor]

Inteligence is a major factor, but the world itself is degrading, so its no wonder there are so many apes in games ruining the fun for all of us.

[mtm78]

BB stands for BrainlessBoat didn't you realize this until today? Ofc, as Esu always tells me, it can/does also stand for BallessBoat, and especially the combination of Brainless and Balless can be quite disheartening to witness when on your team.

 

But rejoice, they also frequently enough will be on the enemy team, and we can feast on them because they always repair single fires right away, letting us torp+flood in addition to the 2 or 3 or sometimes even 4 fires we set afterwards

 

The real problem however, is that it's hard to see if it's a BrainlessBoat or a BrawlerBoat, as the latter especially in case with a Bismarck has caught my DD with her pantsu down more then once. Actually being agressive and pushing towards my smoke which I layd thinking I could be farming some cheap damage, without preparing an exit strategy. 

 

Thank god for those BrawlerBoats, they restore some of the faith lost in human kind

[Skyllon]

Bots or humans... Sometimes it is very hard to tell... If only there was a way of telling AI what is required of them to do I guess it would be way easier to tell the difference.

And win battles...

[Shaka_D]

#BBplayersareallmostlyverystupidpeople

 

There is a serious serious problem with most BB players at the moment - it's too easy for people to tier up and many race to get to the infamous Bismarck, yamato, etc without learning anything.

 

I've become seriously demotivated with the game lately. The last week I've not exactly had great luck with teams and each loss has almost certainly been due to the actions and inactions by BB players either yoloing, touring the map, or firing at maximum distance expecting cruisers and dd's to do all the work. I have no words beyond this and have earned a nice chat ban because of the ultimate lack of control I suffered due to frustration.

[Bulrim]

TBH the same can be said of poor players in any type of ship, a poor CV player, for example, will lose you the match more surely than a poor player in any other class of ship. 

 

 

[the_dude33]

TBH the same can be said of poor players in any type of ship, a poor CV player, for example, will lose you the match more surely than a poor player in any other class of ship. 

 

 

 

That may be so, but it is BBs that are the most numerous class in a battle, not CVs.

Saying that any ship type poorly played can make you lose a battle is a truism, and only serves to stray away from the topic: too many BBs, and too many BBs poorly played.

[Vanhal]

 

Enuone else noticed that BB players have been degrading in skill/inteligence last months ?

 

That could be true. We got so much whining about BB being OP or "easy mode" that we got bad players infestation as the result, who have no business whatsoever playing the BB. Those same players that try headshot with AS Bogue or sail Furutakas broadside to Fusos over their own range, or are losing gun duels with their Farragut against Mutsuki, and so on.

[piet11111]

Current meta trains BB-captains to behave this way.

So often i play a BB and end up being the only one pushing while cruisers turn tail and flee or i see DD's running circles around cap points because "they dont want to give away their position"

 

I do not see the meta change until we get a solid cruiser line (with HE) that everyone wants to play.

 

[Tugnut]

Some times its better they play a class that can be more forgiving than say CV DD or cruisers for that matter.

 

Is it anoying hooo yes and have my fare share of post/rants on it... but one thing will never change a bad player is a bad player... it is what it is and you just got to hope the enemy has more of them than you lol

[ilhilh]

I haven't found intelligence to be class specific - bad players are everywhere!

[RandyWookie]

Hmm .. usually people use abbreviations online to save time/be lazy so you=u, though=thou, I am so good I don't have to talk to you=Chuck Norris.. but .. anyone=enuone?

 

OnT: I brawl on the rare occiasion I play a BB but then I am told I am a useless n00b for rushing in, pushing too hard, not waiting for support (you know, the cruisers that got stuck 10 kms behind me). This after I very clearly announce my intentions in team chat and hit F7 so the entire team can see where I am. Yes many BB drivers are brainless toads, but it's not all easy playing that class either. You need a good portion of the team to be "on board".

[LamboUK]

As a quite new player, how about rather than slagging players off, How about team up with these players and guide them.   LOL as if that would ever happen :-)

[shockinhockin]

You say that but I would be happy to do this if people are willing to learn. I seem to be often tanking and capping in my bbs. Almost constently in my trusty warspite.

 

Often however even the best written advice is simply met with "shut up noob" followed by there death / uselessness.

 

Maybe there should be a sub division request option for this sort of looking for advice style matchup

 

[aboomination]

The player base as a whole is pretty abysmal, not picking on BB in particular. There are enough reasonable players to keep me motivated, tho.

[Banzan]

Guiding needs people who listen and/or follow at least, but  most BB players turn around "automaticly" once they are spotted or fired at. Its easy to move ahead and make the BBs next to you start follwing, but once the first shells are in the air your "friendly" BBs turn around and steam to the next boarder/isle at full speed.

 

Don't get me wrong, it can be the right decision to turn around and the turn radius of some BBs will bring them to the end of the "group" (especially stock hulls), but yes, its possible to move forward again. Those map borders and isles are not strong magnetic traps.

[LamboUK]

I must admit, I'm quite new to the game and I've watched quite a few youtube Vid's on various ships and how to play them etc...   but I would love it for some real help in game......so if you see me on PLEASE team up with me and help..... :-)

 

[Xevious_Red]

Ive been having the opposite problem, cruisers that seem to have a death wish and zero patience, who seem to think if they can somehow touch the enemy cap even if there are still 12 enemies there that they'll win.

 

So game goes;

Start; Squishy cruiser with no torps/smoke makes beeline straight for enemy base. Brings 2 frineds with him.

30 secs; Cruiser gets detected 15km away from enemy base, enemy start shooting.

1 min; 1 friend is dead. Nearest land is 10km away, has no smoke. Continues forward while taking fire from 2 directions. 

2 min. Other friend is dead. Decides to "angle" towards one group of enemies. Angling exposes full broadside to other enemy group.

2 min 15; is dead as well. Angrily pings map about coward BB

2 min 30. Remaining 9 members of team now try to fight a full 12 person team.

[Dominico]

I'd say there is a bigger issue with cruisers and destroyers. The amount of matches the cruisers and destroyers are BEHIND the Battleships is madness. They don't seem to realise they are scouts and screens. Destroyers who Swan off the map looking for lone targets. Cruisers at the back HE spamming. Last night I had a match where I spotted a Destroyer heading for our carriers at the halfway spot in the map. No reaction other than to tell me to stop spamming chat from 1 guy. 5 mins later carriers dead x2. Who were the 3 people chasing the destroyer now? 3 Battleships...

 

I think tools are not limited to one ship type for sure. Just you often notice the tools in Battleships as they last longer.

[Capra76]

I haven't found intelligence to be class specific - bad players are everywhere!

 

I think the difference is that bad DD/CA/CV players get punished hard and quickly, bad BB players on the other hand can border crawl, camp and generally be ineffective whilst still accumulating "reasonable" damage and XP and probably imagine they're better than they are, "I played well, not my fault everyone else got killed".

 

Bad DD/CA/CV players generally have to either learn or drop out of the game, bad BB players can continue to potato all the way to the top if they like.

[Niaro]

Some more class specific and game mechanic popups and hints in port, during loading and countdown could really help..

 

 

Most of the borderhumping BBs i saw today said they did so because they are poor and cant afford too high repairs. Told em about the service cost and some even came back from their world tour.

Same when you see a CV autodropping torps everyhwere. He prob doesnt know that strafing and manual drops exist because nothing told him that little detail.

[Shaka_D]

As a quite new player, how about rather than slagging players off, How about team up with these players and guide them.   LOL as if that would ever happen :-)

 

Because as romantic a notion that is, the reality is many of these potato BB players think there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Tried all approaches, no joy. The problem is them and you cannot cure stupid. It's genetic. I now go straight to trollling them. My patience is not infinite.

[Shaka_D]

I'd say there is a bigger issue with cruisers and destroyers. The amount of matches the cruisers and destroyers are BEHIND the Battleships is madness.

 

This is rare to me personally. The numbers of BB's in every game makes the BB 'issue' more severe than any other issue that appears less frequently.

[Kaleston]

I think BBs just stick the most. If you have not intelligent DD or CA, they usually die really fast (that's me ). Not intelligent BB is the one trying to break to next game crossing a border. And when you die and look at your minimap and see 3 of those.... yeah that really pisses you off... more than those 3 idiots CA getting obliterated in first few minutes of match I'd say