Gneisenau and Nagato

[OOAndreasOO]

Sorry but i just wanna ask what are the balancing about this two ships.

 

playing a Nagato after a lot of games i see that:

 

1 - Nagato cant citadel Gneisenau (it never happens to me). Gneisenau can citadel a Nagato easy (regardless gun calibers 410 vs. 380)

2 - Nagato cant pierce Gneisenau in front or rear. Gneisenau can easy pierce Nagato (again regardless Nagato guns caliber is higher) .

3 - Nagato not has torpedo. Then in close fight is easy dead vs. Gneisenau. (But...in real history Nagato has torpedo!...developers forghet this?...oops!)

4 - Nagato has a bad AA. Gneisenau has one of best AA in game

5 - Nagato speed 25 kn. Gneisenau 32

 

THEN: WHERE IS BALANCE ABOUT THIS 2 SHIPS?

 

Wake up WG!!!!!....What are you waiting about rebalance german BBS?

 

You have ruined all game with this OP ships!

 

[principat121]

So, you found another topic to whine about?!

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Nagato is a fully-fledged battleship, a ship of the line, coming from the dreadnought era and having underwent several refits. One of the earliest refits was the removal of the submerged torpedo tubes in favour of a better armor belt. Mutsu may have these tubes though.

Not sure about your issues with penetration. Nagato's 410mm shells hurt like hell, and even though Gneisenau is hard to citadel she takes tons of damage at any angle if the Nagato player knows his trade. Gneisenau excels in close quarters, and in close quarters only, while Nagato can fire accurately (for a BB) at any range. Her accuracy is only slightly subpar to Colorado but at a much higher max range.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Gnesi has two less guns and is lower calibre and less accurate.

 

I actually feel Gnesi is harder to do well in as her strike ability is fairly poor.

 

A well handled one is a impressive adversary but so are most higher tier BB

[ollonborre]

I can see why people praise the Gneisenau, but I just hated it. I could not get along with it at all, and would pick either the Colorado or Nagato over it any day.

[Vaderan]

Just because you can´t handle a ship, it doesn´t mean to be broken or inferior to another one. I would always choose my Nagato over my Gneisenau.

You can easily take on the Gneisenau with a Nagato, just aim for the right spots. Many BB captains make the mistake and try to go for citadell hits, aiming for the armor-belt directly. This will often result in broken shells, bounces or regular pentrations at best, since the Gneisenau´s turtleback will prevent citadell hits most of the time. Gneisenau is very vulnerable to regular penetrations, you just have to make use of it. Aswell, stay out of Gneisenau´s sweetspot in terms of armament (roughly outside it´s torpedoe range will do) and you will usually come out superior.

[Affeks]

Both are balanced IMO, I like Nagato more because of the obvious higher risk higher reward compared to Gneisenau.

 

Nagato has two more guns, bigger caliber and INSANELY MORE ACCURATE. Nagato has 2.0 sigma compared to Gneisenau's 1.8 and Nagato has better dispersion >10km ranges. I brawl with both. Both ships can pen each others bows, with the exception of the Gneisenau's waterline bow belt. Gneisenau has slightly better secondaries and the torps don't make up for the lack of main guns since their range is short, only 3 per side and low damage. On the contrary the Turtleback and speed makes up for it. Also AA is better on Gneisenau.

 

Nagato has way higher skillcap and potential damage output, but Gneisenau is way more safe and less punishing to play. I think Colorado is slightly weaker than the two, but not by enough to call it underpowered.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

10km or so vs Tirp, Bis or Gnesi is deadly. At that range their guns are as good as any other BBs. 

 

I've seen the 15" guns get catastrophic citadel strikes from there abouts.

 

[Dropman12]

Sorry but i just wanna ask what are the balancing about this two ships.

 

playing a Nagato after a lot of games i see that:

 

1 - Nagato cant citadel Gneisenau (it never happens to me). Gneisenau can citadel a Nagato easy (regardless gun calibers 410 vs. 380)

2 - Nagato cant pierce Gneisenau in front or rear. Gneisenau can easy pierce Nagato (again regardless Nagato guns caliber is higher) .

3 - Nagato not has torpedo. Then in close fight is easy dead vs. Gneisenau. (But...in real history Nagato has torpedo!...developers forghet this?...oops!)

4 - Nagato has a bad AA. Gneisenau has one of best AA in game

5 - Nagato speed 25 kn. Gneisenau 32

 

THEN: WHERE IS BALANCE ABOUT THIS 2 SHIPS?

 

Wake up WG!!!!!....What are you waiting about rebalance german BBS?

 

You have ruined all game with this OP ships!

 

 

Troll, or just mad newbie?

Its not bad to actually use brain before whining, you might look pretty stupid without it...

1)Nagato can citadel Gneis/Scharn/Tirp/Bism. Its just question of angle. Contrary Gneis have hard times to even hit at long ranges, citadel is only question of luck.

2)Nagato can pen Gneis frontally. Its basic game mechanics, 410mm gun overpen front armour of anything at T7. It can even citadel Gneis frontally at close range.

3)Gneiss aside, no regular BB has torps. No regular BB has only 6 guns. Fair trade.

4)No, Gneis has great AA at T7. Still T8 and T9 CV will destroy you if they want. Its question of time, nothing more.

5)Again, 25 is not bad. But it is enough for what Nagato need to do.

 

 

I really doubt what are you doing in this game, whining aside. You have no idea of basic mechanics nor ships weaknesess. You somehow miss Nagato is one of the most accurate BBs in game and purely compare it to brawler in close combat. Like bringing sniper rifle into knife fight with shotgun. God save us if WG would actually listen these experts...

 

 

TL;DR: Learn to play...

[deadly_if_swallowed]

No regular BB has only 6 guns. Fair trade.

 

Myogi begs to differ

[Dropman12]

 

Myogi begs to differ

 

It's beed long time since I played it...but ok, I apologize Myogi for my ignorance

[Redcap375]

Its horses for courses, really is.

 

You like to snipe....Pick the Nag

You like to Brawl....Pick the Gne

You like a bit of both.....Apparently Pick the Col?

 

I personally didn't like the Col at all. It just seemed down right weak, even with that armour its supposed to have  Some people like it and can make it work (like the pens), i just didn't like it or make it work (like the pens)  

 

I didn't mind the Nag and used it for its Secondary build but that was when the German BBs wasn't in the game.  Since the German BBs came out its been spooned out as the German BBs rip it apart from close range.  

 

This is a true story (Sunday Night). Perfect example in a nut shell:

 

Introduction

1 vs 1 in my Gne against a Nag. He was broadside lobbing shells and i was heading straight towards him Bow on. Half his Shells pinged off. Distance of about 16 km.

 

Main Text

Caught up to him and got within Secondary Range, setting him on fire with 4 main guns shooting up his rear end (7.4 km).  He ran as fast as his little legs could carry him but now only 4 of his rear guns was firing on me.  Half his shells went pinging off, again.

 

Ending of the Story

I have faster legs with little tin fishes. He's dead.

 

Moral of the story

If a Gne wants to engage either a Col or Nag on his terms then its very hard to escape that fact.  It is a hell of alot harder for the other two ships to do the same.  

 

Its only down to the fact that you have a team behind you which can con fire on any Gne that tries to get to your BB  that stops them from romperstomping other tier 7 BBs. If the Nag sits behind the line and lob shells from a distance then it will punish the Gne with Plunging fire, alot. IMHO

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I remember having this conversion on here a few weeks ago. German power creep makes them very strong to the uninitiated, if a Gnesi wants to rush you and you haven't taken most of their hp down at long range then you're going to be in trouble as you can't run and her armour close in dominates you.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

Sorry but i just wanna ask what are the balancing about this two ships.

 

playing a Nagato after a lot of games i see that:

 

1 - Nagato cant citadel Gneisenau (it never happens to me). Gneisenau can citadel a Nagato easy (regardless gun calibers 410 vs. 380)

2 - Nagato cant pierce Gneisenau in front or rear. Gneisenau can easy pierce Nagato (again regardless Nagato guns caliber is higher) .

3 - Nagato not has torpedo. Then in close fight is easy dead vs. Gneisenau. (But...in real history Nagato has torpedo!...developers forghet this?...oops!)

4 - Nagato has a bad AA. Gneisenau has one of best AA in game

5 - Nagato speed 25 kn. Gneisenau 32

 

THEN: WHERE IS BALANCE ABOUT THIS 2 SHIPS?

 

Wake up WG!!!!!....What are you waiting about rebalance german BBS?

 

You have ruined all game with this OP ships!

 

1) Yes you can citadel a Gn with a Nagato. I have done. You need to know where to aim. I havent done it often, I grant you that.

 

2) Again, yes you can, but not for much damage. So switch to HE and see if you can get him to move.

 

3) Dont need them. Torps are nice, but never the primary reason to play a BB. Any BB.

 

4) Nothing wrong with the Nags AA. Not as good as Gn or Colly, but certainly not bad.

 

5) Speed is irrelevant. Positioning, reaction, and anticipation are far more important.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Sorry but i just wanna ask what are the balancing about this two ships.

 

playing a Nagato after a lot of games i see that:

 

1 - Nagato cant citadel Gneisenau (it never happens to me). Gneisenau can citadel a Nagato easy (regardless gun calibers 410 vs. 380)

2 - Nagato cant pierce Gneisenau in front or rear. Gneisenau can easy pierce Nagato (again regardless Nagato guns caliber is higher) .

3 - Nagato not has torpedo. Then in close fight is easy dead vs. Gneisenau. (But...in real history Nagato has torpedo!...developers forghet this?...oops!)

4 - Nagato has a bad AA. Gneisenau has one of best AA in game

5 - Nagato speed 25 kn. Gneisenau 32

 

THEN: WHERE IS BALANCE ABOUT THIS 2 SHIPS?

 

Wake up WG!!!!!....What are you waiting about rebalance german BBS?

 

You have ruined all game with this OP ships!

 

Buthurt much?

Nagato is beast. 410 guns on t 7. 

 

Oh and yes. Citadeled yesterday Gneis with nagato and tirpitz with NC. 

 

Ltp issue again

[Ryuuteimaru]

Gneisenau is probably the worst BB I've played, can't stand it.

[OOAndreasOO]

To answer all you, with your FALSE informations (starting about submerged torpedo tubes of Nagato, that were 4+4 510mm normal on-deck tubes mantained till end), i just like invite you in a immaginary trial.

 

I'd like to challenge all you in any match (i'd like there would be a room to do it)

 

BB vs. BB

BB+CV vs. BB+CV

BB+DD vs. BB+DD

 

I use Gneisenau and you use Nagato and I BET I'd win you every times.

 

Probably who say Gneisenau is inferior to Nagato dont know how use Gneisenau.

 

Yes...Gneisenau has 2 gun less...but has also huge advantages (repeat: citadel barely untouchable, torpedos, speed, sonar, impossible AA...ecc.).

If Gneisenau is so derp, why in tier 7 games a lot of ppl use it? (I find 3 Gneisenau every one Nagato in game).

 

I think probaly Mrs. Merkel pay WG to push german ships!

[lup3s]

Gneisenau has sonar?

 

[deadly_if_swallowed]

I play Gneisenau to get past her, and to eventually get rid of this joke of a battleship. Yes, she has some potential and she looks nice. But even with 380mm guns she is not a proper battleship and cannot compare with the Big Seven. Gameplaywise she feels subpar to Scharnhorst in every way except AA. If Gneisenau had Colorado's accuracy I might change my mind.

 

If you like the ship it's fine by me. If you can do well with her, even better. 

 

As for Nagato's torpedo tubes: My fault, there were 2 on-deck and 2 submerged on each side. The on-deck launchers were removed in 1926 and replaced by AA guns. The submerged tubes were removed later in 1934-36. Even so, all torps were removed before the ship saw her first action in 1937.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

To answer all you, with your FALSE informations (starting about submerged torpedo tubes of Nagato, that were 4+4 510mm normal on-deck tubes mantained till end), i just like invite you in a immaginary trial.

 

I'd like to challenge all you in any match (i'd like there would be a room to do it)

 

BB vs. BB

BB+CV vs. BB+CV

BB+DD vs. BB+DD

 

I use Gneisenau and you use Nagato and I BET I'd win you every times.

 

Probably who say Gneisenau is inferior to Nagato dont know how use Gneisenau.

 

Yes...Gneisenau has 2 gun less...but has also huge advantages (repeat: citadel barely untouchable, torpedos, speed, sonar, impossible AA...ecc.).

If Gneisenau is so derp, why in tier 7 games a lot of ppl use it? (I find 3 Gneisenau every one Nagato in game).

 

I think probaly Mrs. Merkel pay WG to push german ships!

 

​You may use Gneisenau, but clearly you havent used Nagato much. Gn has it advantages in some areas, but so does the Nag. In a straight fight between the two, with players who understand and can play and exploit both to their full, they are pretty even.

 

As for why you find 3 Gn to every Nag? Simple, the Kriegsmarine are the new cool. Every body wants one. Until the next BB line comes out.

[principat121]

I use Gneisenau and you use Nagato and I BET I'd win you every times.

 

Not true. I think I could beat you at least in 7 out of ten games. Want to know why?

 

1) You do not own a Gneisenau!

2) You struggle hard to play a Nagato above average!

 

I really wonder where your false impression of the Gneisenau come from? Watching other players achieving good results does not mean, that Average Joe can achieve the same! As we can see how you handle your Nagato. So, where comes all the hatred from?

 

 

PS: I think the Gneisenau is a great ship. But, personally, I would prefer my Nagato over the Gneisenau in every aspect. That's the reason why I kept my Nagato, but sold my Gneisenau.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

To answer all you, with your FALSE informations (starting about submerged torpedo tubes of Nagato, that were 4+4 510mm normal on-deck tubes mantained till end), i just like invite you in a immaginary trial.

 

I'd like to challenge all you in any match (i'd like there would be a room to do it)

 

BB vs. BB

BB+CV vs. BB+CV

BB+DD vs. BB+DD

 

I use Gneisenau and you use Nagato and I BET I'd win you every times.

 

Probably who say Gneisenau is inferior to Nagato dont know how use Gneisenau.

 

Yes...Gneisenau has 2 gun less...but has also huge advantages (repeat: citadel barely untouchable, torpedos, speed, sonar, impossible AA...ecc.).

If Gneisenau is so derp, why in tier 7 games a lot of ppl use it? (I find 3 Gneisenau every one Nagato in game).

 

I think probaly Mrs. Merkel pay WG to push german ships!

 

That sonar on Gneu is killer

 

1vs1 gneu wins over any t7 bs. But in team game all 3 bs are strong. Just plays different roles. 

 

Nagato is mid distance heavy sniper. Gneu is bully close range. 

 

You can not compare ships 1v1 because on those standarda we havw one winer = Gearing. Nothin beats gearing on pure 1vs1. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Gnesi has sonar?!? Not that I've ever seen 

 

[ollonborre]

Gnesi has sonar?!? Not that I've ever seen 

 

Offcourse it has sonar, it also has 14 torpedoes per side, Bismarck levels of secondaries, the stealth of a DD or whatever else sort of bollocks the OP might think of to make a point.

 

Seriously this is the same guy that claimed that German BB's made DD's obselete because they had torpedoes, disregarding the fact that only 3 German BB's have torps, and 2 of them are premium. And it is not like the German BB torps can compete to other same tier torps in terms of range or damage potential.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

Seriously this is the same guy that claimed that German BB's made DD's obselete because they had torpedoes, disregarding the fact that only 3 German BB's have torps, and 2 of them are premium. And it is not like the German BB torps can compete to other same tier torps in terms of range or damage potential.

Pls tell me you are joking amd he did not said that.....