What is the reason to play American crusers ?

[veso_vn]

Today i play some games with my american crusers tier VII ( Pensacola ) and VIII ( New Orleans ) and realy start to wonder what is the point of this crusers . When BB fire at you and hit you almost all the time is citadel hit . This 2 crusers have a good guns yes but fire range 15.7 for pensa and 16.2 for orleans Its not enough . If you meet hier tier german bb and you make mistake to  close  them to 10km the secondary will kill you .10 km  is 1/3 of  crusers range so you have only 5-6 km range to fire at them but BB guns are pretty accured at this distance.  Also i didn`t faind them so usefull for AA you meet CV`s so rarely that there is no point to have defensive fire.... so what is the point to play this crusers ?

[ColonelPete]

Maybe this one:

https://wowreplays.com/Replay/26655

 

All cruisers have problems at the moment, US is no exception. When you angle, they are quite tough. Use your speed to stay out of secondary range.

And if you want to use your AA advantage, feel free to make a division with a CV.

Generally US cruisers have good AP and decent HE.

 

 

 

[Smeggo]

US-cruiser are a relict from the early game, where CVs were dominant and always there - and BBs had no AA. 

This has not worked out, so BBs got AA and US-CA became obsolete. 

 

You can do good with them, but it requires more luck and work than BBs. For fun play, I recommend Coop, there are less BBs. 

[StoneRhino]

Not sure if you try to bait here, but 1 thing almost all Cruiser do not need is more range. Already way too many Cruiser ingame that have near 20km range, can shoot invis or ability to smoke. Jack of all trades - also includes - Master of NONE and not Best in all and everything with no equal.

If you can`t keep your [edited]out of 11km Range from a Bismarck, i have to ask wtf you are doing in the Corner of the Map. I certainly can keep my distance, as long as i want, from all BB but the Genisenau/Scharnhorst. Those actually give me a run for my Money speedwise.

 

All you do with more range is Powercreep. "... and that is never a good Idea" ( Broken Arrow ).

[loppantorkel]

Hunt dds and light cruisers. Ambushing them and using radars to let teammates kill them? Because they're fairly fun ships, if not - pick another ship to play that suits you better.

[Valthasar]

Des Moines is one hell of a CA and I'm pretty glad its my first T10. Even a novice like myself can tear people a new one with it. Keep it at and you'll be rewarded with a beast.

[SaintGordon]

All Cruisers have problems with BBs.

But its not your Job to fight BBs. 

 

Fight DDs and CA/CL. That is the best you can do. 

 

Try to show your bow or stern often.

Turning a lot makes you unattractiv for BBs. 

Then you will stay alive longer 

[ParEx]

For me there is almost no reason to play US-CA as a relaxed evening entertainment. Some will say they can perform well - indeed, thats true. But there are a lot of "buts" that make them rather mediocre.

US-BBs were designed to counter CAs and to keep the birds away. First thing is now done by BBs due to their number. Second...well...sky is not that crowded anymore. They have radar but their reload is too low to make realy use of it - you get 2 salvos on target if you are lucky and dont have a DM.

 

In the current meta there are some ships that overperform US-CAs in simple and continiuus damage and success. That angled BB at 15km you can do 2k Savlos in your Baltimore ? Take Mogami and burn this fu**er down.

 

The only US-CL I play at the moment is my beloved Lollanta I take out every day. And in nowadays CV missions it shines as bright as ever.

[Date_A_Bullet]

 All Cruisers bad Cruiser players have problems with BBs.

 

fixed

[Bladezfist]

My biggest issue with BBs as a cruiser player is just that always having 5 BBs in a game makes HE cruisers more useful than AP reliant cruisers. The damage I do in the kutuzov compared to the hipper is an insane gap, the german cruisers were so much more fun to play when you were fighting other cruisers more often.

[SerPurr]

Other than Cleveland and Des Moines there is no reason to play any of them since they all have better counterparts in other lines. Most of them are not bad perse. Just average. Really average. If you like average ships than go with USN CA's.

 

[loppantorkel]

Other than Cleveland and Des Moines there is no reason to play any of them since they all have better counterparts in other lines. Most of them are not bad perse. Just average. Really average. If you like average ships than go with USN CA's.

Sitting in smoke and spamming fire all day isn't my idea of fun. Radar is needed to expose those cruisers, so average is fine as long as there's a role that's fun to play.

[MoveZig]

I think ships that have that rainbow arc should have the same top-down targeting view as with the spotting plane. Would make cover-shooting much easier. The one time you want to use that view and it's not available.

[SerPurr]

Sitting in smoke and spamming fire all day isn't my idea of fun. Radar is needed to expose those cruisers, so average is fine as long as there's a role that's fun to play.

 

Tell that to your team when you bring a New Orleans and the reds get a Atago or a Kutozov. Or a Baltimore versus a Dmitri Donskoy. Sure, you'll have your role to play but -exceptions granted-, it's not like you'll ever bring the best utility for buck.

 

[loppantorkel]

Tell that to your team when you bring a New Orleans and the reds get a Atago or a Kutozov. Or a Baltimore versus a Dmitri Donskoy. Sure, you'll have your role to play but -exceptions granted-, it's not like you'll ever bring the best utility for buck.

That's true. Otoh, it's not all about powergaming. It's great seeing enemies bring shimas to my Gearing, so maybe I got to repay this debt in some way    ....I hope WG will buff the US cruisers a bit though, maybe better secondaries or slightly faster reload.

[Redcap375]

I made the decision to stop at the Cleveland many moons ago. That is and always has been my Fav ship to date (CV captain too), Nerfs and all.  I get more Cits in this ship more than any other.  SO many people don't know about the AP on this thing and just spam HE which is ok depending on what your facing.  Its been hit again recently with all the smoke going around (RN) but its manageable.

 

I never seen the need to go any further down that line. I looked ahead and didn't fancy any of the ships on the US line. The Pens didn't give me any hope as i used to own them when 1 vs 1 in my Cleveland.  That armour is painful.

 

I've seen some good players do well in the Des and New tho.  The Pens and Balti is a horror story.

 

Anyway, Cruisers are struggling at the moment and have an identity crisis 

 

 

 

[SerPurr]

  ....I hope WG will buff the US cruisers a bit though, maybe better secondaries or slightly faster reload.

 

They are in desperate need of at least some kind of buff that matters in the meta. Lets hope WG decides to make it count. Personally I don't mind sailing a sub-par CA once in a while. You can have great games in any of them but there's something seriously wrong with the majority of the USN CA right now if you just go by stats. Even Des Moines struggles in raw damage output compared to its piers but at least that ship has plenty going for it and the difference isn't huge. Still, it's not like it pales the other tier x's either. Would be nice if the USN CA line actually got a ship -for once- that would be best, not worst. Yeah, Flint. Doh.

 

 

[Spuggy]

US CA have superb AP. Very good HE too. 

 

They have pretty good armour too when angled correctly.

 

If you can sail them with proficiency they are very very good. Their main problem is simply they are easily spotted from range. I like to fit mine with the rudder enhancement to get super quick rudder shift (as they already accelerate/decelerate fairly well) and jink and jive like mad under fire.

 

Gotta use cover, only fire your guns when it's under your terms and never show your broadside to anything with large guns.  

[mikelight1805]

In regards to the New Orleans, She was a great AA and DD hunter in the early days of the game. She is far more situational now. If you want to persist with the NO, i would recommend a concealment build, and exercise caution and good fire discipline and not shoot the first thing you see. Her AP is great against other cruisers. I just feel she needs a slight RoF buff to keep pace with all the new DDs since release. I still have her in my port, but the German cruisers caught my eye, and now i'm grinding the RN CLs so she has been gathering dust for a while now.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Main reason is - Des Moien

[IceyJones]

reasons for grinding US CA line:

- radar starting from T8

- decent concealment

- tanky if angled. yes....even the pepsi can be tanky

- agile

- strongest AP

- des moines

 

reasons NOT to grind them:

- shell arcs need perfect aim

- angling needs skill by good map awareness

 

[Lin3]

US CA have superb AP. Very good HE too. 

 

They have pretty good armour too when angled correctly.

 

If you can sail them with proficiency they are very very good. Their main problem is simply they are easily spotted from range. I like to fit mine with the rudder enhancement to get super quick rudder shift (as they already accelerate/decelerate fairly well) and jink and jive like mad under fire.

 

Gotta use cover, only fire your guns when it's under your terms and never show your broadside to anything with large guns.  

 

I don't know about your Pepsi, but mine gets citadelled when hit by tier 5 to 9 BB's on a regular basis regardless of angling and distance.

 

[Lin3]

reasons for grinding US CA line:

- radar starting from T8

- decent concealment

- tanky if angled. yes....even the pepsi can be tanky

- agile

- strongest AP

- des moines

 

reasons NOT to grind them:

- shell arcs need perfect aim

- angling needs skill by good map awareness

 

 

Pepsi has no radar.

Decent concealment on Pepsi???? Concealment is only slightly less than gun firing range on mine (I don't have a 15 point captain yet). Fire the guns and you can spot the Pepsi from Pluto.

 

Tanky? Against DD's and CL' firing AP when Pepsi is angled, yes. Against BB's no. Not at all. Citadel city.

Strongest AP? Yes it's good, but the Shchors pumps out twice as many shells per minute. That makes a big difference.

 

Des Moines. Pepsi is not the Des Moines. Japanese get the Zao at tier 10 and have the Myoki at tier 7.

 

[MercFHire]

The God boat that is Des Moines is the reason for it all.  you can get reload down to about 5 secs and rain death on anything, 5k HE volleys on Yamato and even more with AP if they show broadside.  You are a nightmare to DD's and even the glorious Zao knows to be afraid of a close quarter Des Moines due to the superior fire rate.  But the Zao has torps I hear you say, well if a Zao is silly enough to try and launch them against a Des Moines, he is already dead.

Very nice concealment as well, 10.6 with CE if memory serves me.  Nowhere near the 9.7 of the Zao with CE but with radar you make up for that.

[IceyJones]

 

Pepsi has no radar.

Decent concealment on Pepsi???? Concealment is only slightly less than gun firing range on mine (I don't have a 15 point captain yet). Fire the guns and you can spot the Pepsi from Pluto.

 

Tanky? Against DD's and CL' firing AP when Pepsi is angled, yes. Against BB's no. Not at all. Citadel city.

Strongest AP? Yes it's good, but the Shchors pumps out twice as many shells per minute. That makes a big difference.

 

Des Moines. Pepsi is not the Des Moines. Japanese get the Zao at tier 10 and have the Myoki at tier 7.

 

 

 

radar:

read my post again

 

and i cannot complain about pepsi

 

 

pepsi outclassed the other CAs at T7 for me. RUS Ca is even more paper than the pepsi, myoko turret traverse is biggest issue.