Bismarck-the paper ship

[SilentKiller_2014]

I had the worst day ever and since I got Bismarck I feel like playing in a mid-tier cruiser not in a high tier BB.A neptune did 4k damage on me with every salvo,really?Low caliber guns,inaccurate and the armor is far from being the best in its tier.I can't even penetrate an Amagi from 10km wtf.Not to say about the poor maneuvrability.North Carolina is way better than this piece of paper.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

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Alright then.

[MudMonkey]

Dude, seriously? Watch this then and arm yourself with wisdom.

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Hull A is rough but only improves thereon.

 

Get closer and stop sniping from 17km.

 

The guns perform fine at close range, punchy if you aim right.

 

Angle vs RN cruisers and their damage falls drastically. Maybe spend more time in lower tiers as T8 MM is not kind. Yam and Gross Curry Wurst farm weaker BBs.

[Justin__Sane]

One thing that comes to mind reading your first post, is the positioning of your ship. Did you angle yourself against the Neptune? Because that's actually a tendency many BB-players have. They just see a light cruiser and think their AP can't do them any harm, but in fact if you give a full broadside and the cruiser aims at the right spot, you eat easily 3-4k AP-damage per salvo, not just in a Bismarck, even in a Yamato! The other mistake many players in German BBs make as well is overestimating their armor. They think due to the turtle-back they can give as much broadside as they want to without receiving any citadels, which is actually right, but what people forget here is the fact that even without citadel hits, you still eat lots of damage giving full broadside to ANYONE. Of course the inaccuracy is an issue with the German BBs, but that was already the case with the predecessors, that didn't start with the Bismarck. But the German BBs are designed for close-range-combat, and in this class they dominate the field in my opinion (and i haven't had any complaints about the armor so far, in fact, compared with their US-counterparts, i always felt really tanky in the German BBs...).

[WingedHussar_Adler]

One thing that comes to mind reading your first post, is the positioning of your ship. Did you angle yourself against the Neptune? Because that's actually a tendency many BB-players have. They just see a light cruiser and think their AP can't do them any harm, but in fact if you give a full broadside and the cruiser aims at the right spot, you eat easily 3-4k AP-damage per salvo, not just in a Bismarck, even in a Yamato! The other mistake many players in German BBs make as well is overestimating their armor. They think due to the turtle-back they can give as much broadside as they want to without receiving any citadels, which is actually right, but what people forget here is the fact that even without citadel hits, you still eat lots of damage giving full broadside to ANYONE. Of course the inaccuracy is an issue with the German BBs, but that was already the case with the predecessors, that didn't start with the Bismarck. But the German BBs are designed for close-range-combat, and in this class they dominate the field in my opinion (and i haven't had any complaints about the armor so far, in fact, compared with their US-counterparts, i always felt really tanky in the German BBs...).

My edinburg goes to 7-8 per salvo on km bs. Not all the time but it happens almost regular. But still Bubi has best armor on t 8

[Exocet6951]

This is why there's powercreep in games.

[MeTaLMooSe]

I wouldn't go so far to say Bismarck is paper. In my experience I find I get focus fired and targeted by CV's. My average damage is dismal compared to Nagato and NC.  I struggle to engage and disengage and do meaningful damage. Go support a cap and get sunk. Sit back and await my time to pounce and the guns don't reward. It's not the ship though it's just me. I'm pretty close to Big Fred but I'm not buying him until I get my Bismarck damage above average. She's not just a yolo cap machine anymore. people are wary.

Oh, if you like to partake in the odd co-op match, Bismarck is utterly savage. Must be like when she first came out onto the server. The bots don't seem to be programmed to evade or counter secondary fire. Lets just say she's going to need new barrels after a match!

[cro_pwr]

Its so paper that you can comfortably charge on Montana (and if she is not smart enough to run away) blast her out of the water.

Heck, You can even do that to Yamato, altho a bit tougher because of lolpen guns and different citadel positions.

But yea, paper as hell...

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I wouldn't go so far to say Bismarck is paper. In my experience I find I get focus fired and targeted by CV's. My average damage is dismal compared to Nagato and NC.  I struggle to engage and disengage and do meaningful damage. Go support a cap and get sunk. Sit back and await my time to pounce and the guns don't reward. It's not the ship though it's just me. I'm pretty close to Big Fred but I'm not buying him until I get my Bismarck damage above average. She's not just a yolo cap machine anymore. people are wary.

Oh, if you like to partake in the odd co-op match, Bismarck is utterly savage. Must be like when she first came out onto the server. The bots don't seem to be programmed to evade or counter secondary fire. Lets just say she's going to need new barrels after a match!

 

 Fat Freddy has far better guns than the Bismarck. I've only just grinded 420mm ones (haven't used yet) but the 406mm ones are great, competent medium range and the ship itself doesn't seem to rely on secondaries quite as much as the Bismarck.

 

Mind you, I find the Bismarck guns fine. I've probably fired tens of thousands of shells from out of the Tirp before I got the Bismarck and I've never really had an issue with their penetration or dispersion.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Its so paper that you can comfortably charge on Montana (and if she is not smart enough to run away) blast her out of the water.

Heck, You can even do that to Yamato, altho a bit tougher because of lolpen guns and different citadel positions.

But yea, paper as hell...

 

 Might not survive a Yam rush unless you get so close the front turret can't fire over its own bow! But you can certainly do it a lot of damage, only issue is getting close in the campy high tier meta

[aboomination]

Its so paper that you can comfortably charge on Montana (and if she is not smart enough to run away) blast her out of the water.

Heck, You can even do that to Yamato, altho a bit tougher because of lolpen guns and different citadel positions.

But yea, paper as hell...

 

Don't try that with my Montana, tho. Montana shi.ts on Bismarcks..

[Srle_Vigilante]

Not to say about the poor maneuvrability

 

Ok you just pushed my buttons...

 

Confirmed:

 Not rly tho.... other people already said everything that needed to be said.

 

[theta0123]

Is this guy playing the same bismarck as i am? My bismarck surpasses my North carolina in performance...

[deadly_if_swallowed]

Well, after the introduction of Tirpitz, people have learned when to aim for the lower or upper hull, resp. superstructure. It's not the ship's fault since Bismarck generally has superb armor, it's just a bad position/situation and an enemy who knows his trade. Yesterday I pumped 7-11k volleys constantly on a Friedrich with my Baltimore from ~12 km.

[cro_pwr]

Well, after the introduction of Tirpitz, people have learned when to aim for the lower or upper hull, resp. superstructure. It's not the ship's fault since Bismarck generally has superb armor, it's just a bad position/situation and an enemy who knows his trade. Yesterday I pumped 7-11k volleys constantly on a Friedrich with my Baltimore from ~12 km.

 

let me guess, he gave you full broadside because you are puny cruiser, and who gives a F about you and your AP, right?

[deadly_if_swallowed]

let me guess, he gave you full broadside because you are puny cruiser, and who gives a F about you and your AP, right?

 

Exactly. Although I think he did not even notice me as he was busy fighting our other flank and tried to get into cover before my 420mm friends open fire at him again. Then again, this shows exactly OP's issue - people know how to aim, when and where.

[Affeks]

This post is comedy gold, hard to know if OP is trolling or not

[FaceFisted]

I had the worst day ever and since I got Bismarck I feel like playing in a mid-tier cruiser not in a high tier BB.A neptune did 4k damage on me with every salvo,really?Low caliber guns,inaccurate and the armor is far from being the best in its tier.I can't even penetrate an Amagi from 10km wtf.Not to say about the poor maneuvrability.North Carolina is way better than this piece of paper.

 

I had the same problem.

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/69495-bismarck-problem/

 

That ship is completely gimped. Worst T8 BB, nerfed over time so much it's not fun any more, but most players think it's awesome for some reasons that don't exist any more.

[Gabzool]

I also left german bb-s at bismarck. Didnt liked it. All those OP videos about bismarck are against potato teams.

Cruisers with AP can shred 8-10k dmg if show broadside and hit around deck and superstructure, with Arizona (or basicly any t6 BB and higher) i can do 20k salvo on overconfident bismarcks if u aim between deck and superstructure. If the enemy team is not potato (like in all bismarck videos) team your 69200 HP is lost realy fast. 

On a side note in ranked it was realy OP with sonar, super rudder shift and speed, 10,6km secondarys.

 

 

[Aotearas]

I also left german bb-s at bismarck. Didnt liked it. All those OP videos about bismarck are against potato teams.

Cruisers with AP can shred 8-10k dmg if show broadside and hit around deck and superstructure, with Arizona (or basicly any t6 BB and higher) i can do 20k salvo on overconfident bismarcks if u aim between deck and superstructure. If the enemy team is not potato (like in all bismarck videos) team your 69200 HP is lost realy fast. 

On a side note in ranked it was realy OP with sonar, super rudder shift and speed, 10,6km secondarys.

 

 

 

EVERY battleship will eat a metric arseton of damage from AP if you show broadside.

 

If you find yourself catching lots of AP volleys into your flat side, maybe you ought ... I don't know ... NOT SHOW BROADSIDE!?

Might want to check to see if you seem to grow wierd sprouts somewhere, because the problem isn't a lack of potatoes on the enemy team.

[Guillotine]

Bishmarck is great ship and often played too agressive ( yes im guilty of this too ).

150k dmg last night close defeat and had blast, utilizing mainguns mainly and 2ndaries when it wasnt too risky to get close. When angling hard and ignoring rear turrets untill its safe to shoot them its very hard nut to crack, shot enemy bishmarcks around 10k per volley while i took minimal dmg.

[cro_pwr]

 

Exactly. Although I think he did not even notice me as he was busy fighting our other flank and tried to get into cover before my 420mm friends open fire at him again. Then again, this shows exactly OP's issue - people know how to aim, when and where.

 

Thats not knowing how to aim, thats SHOWING EFFING BROADSIDE TO EFFING AMERICAN CRUISER AND HER EFFING MONSTER SUPER HEAVY AP SHELLS!

Show broadside to anything from Pensacola to Des Moines, in any kind of ship, and if he is smart enough to load AP, you will get punished hard. Thats not Bismarck, or any other German BB problem, thats the players problem.

While you will score 10k salvo on Bismarck with that shells, you will get goddamn citadels against Amagi (yes, you will get citadels with cruiser against BB).

So its quite easy. Don't show broadside...

[RobS80]

My Bismarck is my favourite ship and one of only 2 tier 8s I have kept when moving up (I have the FDG now)

 

With 15 point captain you are extremely well rewarded for playing more aggressively as it is like having a tier 6 cruiser welded to your side.

 

It is a while since I checked but I think that Bismarck is in my top 10 ships for damage.

[Affeks]

 

I had the same problem.

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/69495-bismarck-problem/

 

That ship is completely gimped. Worst T8 BB, nerfed over time so much it's not fun any more, but most players think it's awesome for some reasons that don't exist any more.

 

Wait so are you telling me you actually think Bismarck is weak? I see no reason why its a weak ship, other than main battery its stronger than the other tier 8s by a long shot. I guess I need to take a look and compare if it really has become weak.

 

Main battery: Well here it falls short in raw broadside power, less guns and smaller caliber explains in all. On the flip side the guns has utility the other two ships doesn't, High velocity makes for low time to target, faster RoF and traverse. The guns have lowest sigma/dispersion ratio so it really only beats out Amagi when under 10 km range.

 

AA: beaten by NC, but still competitive. Unlike Amagi it has most DPS in long range so AA becomes insane with Manual AA plus more usefull all around. 

 

Survivability: Well here its a no brainer, Bismarck beats all competition by a long shot. Turtleback, thick upper belt, thick waterline bow armor. Only exception is slightly bigger superstructure.

 

Maneuverability: NC has better turning radius, but worse engine and top speed. Other than that best by far

 

Concealment: Second best after NC

 

Secondaries: BY  FAR BEST IN THE GAME TIER FOR TIER WTF

 

Utility: Well Bismarck is the only tier 8 BB with actual utility, with Hydro not only does this give Bismarck indirect survivability, but Bismarck can also protect allies... I mean isnt that the what the cruiser role was supposed to be? Hurray to powercreep amirite.

 

IDK not much has changed... I'm at Gneisenau right now and I can say already even in tier 9 matches I can do just fine without 10.6 km secondary range, 8 guns, hydro and a large health pool. TLDR I am really looking forward to unlocking Bismarck as in every way its a gigantic improvement and jump in power in the German BB line and compared to the other tier 8 BBs.