carriers players rigging battles.

[ulcusrodens]

the only class able to counter a CV is another CV. it's a well known fact, and it's always true - unless a team completely screws up. a lone destroyer can even hope to spot a CV, but has no chance to kill it (except in very low tiers).

what if both CV players admittedly decide not to go against eachother, to have more fun farming ships?

 

they farm kills, and who cares if their team wins or loses? they'll go home unscathed, they'll get xp and credits and that's all that matters.

 

before you start posting memes about cats with tinfoil hats, it's just happened. i was after a CV, my carrier refused to give me AA support and to go against the other clicker. i was obliterated in 2 seconds by 3 TB and 2 DB squadrons (smoking was perfectly useless, the guy simply put enough torpedoes in the water to make any dodging attempt useless. i took 2 torps anyway, and a bomb finished me). while our carrier was keeping his fighters loitering at 3-4 km from me. "i don't want to lose planes", has been the answer. "blame WG, not us".

we won anyway, the other CV got his 3 kills and survived his team (of course, when it doesn't happen?), and everyone was happy.

 

[Ghostychan]

I wanted to stop reading after your first sentence, but I forced myself through

 

CVs are useless when a group of ships stick together and thus can easily be countered. Also starting at T VIII, CVs get defensive AA (which is active for a long time), making it difficult for CVs to counter CVs. Also a lone DD no chance to kill a CV? I think I missed something... Light her up and continue lighting her up, and done. (Yes, even when playing IJN DDs - only because torpedoes are regarded the primary armament, the guns still pack a punch).

 

I'll still hand you a tin foil hat though (unless you can post a screenshot showing the conversion between the carriers)

[dasCKD]

 

I know you were in a destroyer, but it's still funny.

 

The Taiho didn't go after the other Taiho because Taihos have defensive fire cooldowns and extremely powerful ones at that. Your carrier was probably just bad as was the enemy carrier considering that from your telling of the story he was completely unopposed by your carrier and still only managed 3 kills. Unless your team was crawling with Montanas, Des Moines, and Minotaurs that is a very poor performance. Then again he managed to sink a destroyer, so the battle might not have been as black and white as you would like us to assume.

[cro_pwr]

And why were you chasing t9/10 IJN carrier around the map in a DD at the first place? (serious question)

[ulcusrodens]

And why were you chasing t9/10 IJN carrier around the map in a DD at the first place? (serious question)

 

because there were 4 enemy ships remaining (on the other side of the map), it was simply sitting with no cover and i managed to take 20k HPs off him with few salvoes? am i supposed to try and kill or at least scout carriers in a destroyer or i must simply let them do their stuff?

[ulcusrodens]

 

I know you were in a destroyer, but it's still funny.

 

The Taiho didn't go after the other Taiho because Taihos have defensive fire cooldowns and extremely powerful ones at that. Your carrier was probably just bad as was the enemy carrier considering that from your telling of the story he was completely unopposed by your carrier and still only managed 3 kills. Unless your team was crawling with Montanas, Des Moines, and Minotaurs that is a very poor performance. Then again he managed to sink a destroyer, so the battle might not have been as black and white as you would like us to assume.

 

my CV went home with 0 kills and 15 destroyed planes. the other one went home with 3 ships sunk and 33 or 35 planes. i kept the guy spotted for 2 minutes, and my carrier refused to go against him. then i simply started firing my guns. and the guy sent everything he had on me.

[bushwacker001]

 

because there were 4 enemy ships remaining (on the other side of the map), it was simply sitting with no cover and i managed to take 20k HPs off him with few salvoes? am i supposed to try and kill or at least scout carriers in a destroyer or i must simply let them do their stuff?

 

Sounds like a fair fight, you showed up and the carrier defended himself.....at least he wasn't good enough to hound you out of the game early on like the good ones do against DD's. 

[ulcusrodens]

I wanted to stop reading after your first sentence, but I forced myself through

 

CVs are useless when a group of ships stick together and thus can easily be countered. Also starting at T VIII, CVs get defensive AA (which is active for a long time), making it difficult for CVs to counter CVs. Also a lone DD no chance to kill a CV? I think I missed something... Light her up and continue lighting her up, and done. (Yes, even when playing IJN DDs - only because torpedoes are regarded the primary armament, the guns still pack a punch).

 

I'll still hand you a tin foil hat though (unless you can post a screenshot showing the conversion between the carriers)

 

because not even CVs can counter CVs in high tiers?

what makes you think that i was not lighting her up? what makes you think that i didn't use my guns?

i have no real intention to create a photobucket account or whatever for the sole purpose of posting the screenshots i took. feel free to post your memes now.

[ulcusrodens]

 

Sounds like a fair fight, you showed up and the carrier defended himself.....at least he wasn't good enough to hound you out of the game early on like the good ones do against DD's. 

 

he tried and failed. he could do it in the end just because i was completely alone

[cro_pwr]

 

my CV went home with 0 kills and 15 destroyed planes. the other one went home with 3 ships sunk and 33 or 35 planes. i kept the guy spotted for 2 minutes, and my carrier refused to go against him. then i simply started firing my guns. and the guy sent everything he had on me.

 

high tier carriers have Defensive AA button that will simply eat your planes as soon as you try to strike him (added because of CV sniping in every high tier match).

But you said CVs didn't want to go against each other, yet enemy CV had 35 planes shot down... What seems to be the case is that your CV was a bob...

[Ferry_25]

Eerrr. Don't think I agree with you OP. So you had 1 bad match against a CV. So did we all have had. Usually I only notice there are CV's present about half way in the match... In the higher tiers they are extremely rare so I hardly have AA specs on my cruisers anymore. If they are present in higher tiers, they're undertiered in 90% of the cases anyway. So no need to really be concerned. And yes in that 1 out of 500 battles where a CV is on tier-par, does know what he is doing and you're caught out alone he'll wreck you. Doesn't matter what ship you're playing: it's back to port for you. OK, maybe an agile and capable DD player manages to dodge out of that. First eating a mouthfull of torps, cuasing you to flood. Which forces a DCP and after 4 nice squadrons treating your ship on a free BBQ is usually a 1 way trip. I try to make it a point to compliment that CV player. Heck I wouldn't want to play CV's in the current meta at all. Doing great games to be rewarded with a profit of -300k every time? Thanks but no thanks. I just stick to the other lines and bear that 1 rare battle.

[aboomination]

GERMAN CV OP! Only CV can counter them! Cat without tinfoil hat told mez!

 

[ulcusrodens]

 

high tier carriers have Defensive AA button that will simply eat your planes as soon as you try to strike him (added because of CV sniping in every high tier match).

But you said CVs didn't want to go against each other, yet enemy CV had 35 planes shot down... What seems to be the case is that your CV was a bob...

 

of course he was.

i admit i could have told the other carrier where my beloved teammate was sitting, and he simply answered "with 82 AA? no thanks". the game was won, that guy was the lone survivor in his team, what difference could have made?

 

so the point is. if CVs are afraid to go against other CVs (but strangely are not afraid to go against cruisers, apparently), how are they supposed to be balanced? i'm talking about high tier games, of course. who cares about a bloody Bogue?

[ColonelPete]

There has been rigging, but that does not mean that your battle included rigging. Maybe he was just stupid.

[ulcusrodens]

Eerrr. Don't think I agree with you OP. So you had 1 bad match against a CV. So did we all have had. Usually I only notice there are CV's present about half way in the match... In the higher tiers they are extremely rare so I hardly have AA specs on my cruisers anymore. If they are present in higher tiers, they're undertiered in 90% of the cases anyway. So no need to really be concerned. And yes in that 1 out of 500 battles where a CV is on tier-par, does know what he is doing and you're caught out alone he'll wreck you. Doesn't matter what ship you're playing: it's back to port for you. OK, maybe an agile and capable DD player manages to dodge out of that. First eating a mouthfull of torps, cuasing you to flood. Which forces a DCP and after 4 nice squadrons treating your ship on a free BBQ is usually a 1 way trip. I try to make it a point to compliment that CV player. Heck I wouldn't want to play CV's in the current meta at all. Doing great games to be rewarded with a profit of -300k every time? Thanks but no thanks. I just stick to the other lines and bear that 1 rare battle.

 

i have had 2500 bad matches against CVs

[ulcusrodens]

There has been rigging, but that does not mean that your battle included rigging. Maybe he was just stupid.

 

of course he was. but if carriers don't go after eachother because it's not worth the risk, and simply kill stuff uncountered, i call it game rigging. i'm not saying those two guys had any kind of agreement. just that this behaviour risks to become common.

[cro_pwr]

 

of course he was. but if carriers don't go after eachother because it's not worth the risk, and simply kill stuff uncountered, i call it game rigging. i'm not saying those two guys had any kind of agreement. just that this behaviour risks to become common.

 

You get countered by his fighters, by AA, by def AA button, by everyone and his mother having huge AA stats etc, and you are bitching about carriers not going for enemy carriers first.

Thats some next level bitching about carriers, and trust me, I've seen a lot of them so far.

[ulcusrodens]

GERMAN CV OP! Only CV can counter them! Cat without tinfoil hat told mez!

 

 

i love funny people with funny signatures posting funny memes.

 

maybe the fact that in 7-8 games out of 10 the carriers survive - even in a 10/1 situation - is just me being paranoid, and not that carriers have no actual counters. i'm, sure there's a couple of memes that can be used very funnily as a funny reply to this fact

[ColonelPete]

It is not very smart for a carrier to go on a carrier strike alone. It takes a lot of time (reducing your influence on the battle) and has a high chance to fail (enemy carrier survives).

Carrier strikes are a good idea when teammates are in gun range of the enemy carrier (around midgame and later). That way your planes can spot the carrier and your teammaes can finish him should he survive the strike.

[Elenortirion]

I do not think that average carriers have enought power to actually "rig" battles

 

I mean - I've won way to many matches where our Cv died early, and lot way too many matches where their CVs have been killed off early to discard the influence of 11 potato-ships on the battle, with or without the CV

[ulcusrodens]

 

You get countered by his fighters, by AA, by def AA button, by everyone and his mother having huge AA stats etc, and you are bitching about carriers not going for enemy carriers first.

Thats some next level bitching about carriers, and trust me, I've seen a lot of them so far.

 

first? 8 vs 2 is first?

that's some next level lack of text comprehension, i see,

[aboomination]

i'm, sure there's a couple of memes that can be used very funnily as a funny reply to this fact

 

Well duh, I just did!

[ulcusrodens]

ok, guys.

carriers are perfectly fine.

i seriously hope that WG nerfs AA badly, we need more carriers in the game!

[ulcusrodens]

I do not think that average carriers have enought power to actually "rig" battles

 

I mean - I've won way to many matches where our Cv died early, and lot way too many matches where their CVs have been killed off early to discard the influence of 11 potato-ships on the battle, with or without the CV

 

there's simply no way to counter a CV player that knows what he's doing. the fact that most CV players suck exactly like DD, CA, CL and BB players is a completely different thing.

[aboomination]

CV player that knows what he's doing

 

!= average carrier player

 

And those who know what they're doing won't need the enemy CV's help.