Give Scharnhorst the Cruiser accuracy or alpha it deserves.

[tsounts]

Scharnhorst rocks! It's a fine ship and fun to play particularly when your captain gets to a good skill level and of course you're playing her right!

She's fast, maneuverable, got blazing secondaries, torps and AA + fighter plane, and can put fear even in tier 9 Battleships, what more to ask?!?!?!? Of course, she ain't a sniper.

She's my favourite ship!

[159Hunter]

Did you just compare a T7 BB to a T8 BB? And the came to the conclusion that the T7 was inferior to the T8? God, this is world shocking news.
 

Now go compare your T7 BB to a T6 BB and let us know the results. I'm sure you'll come to the conclusion that your T6 is underperforming, thus your T7 should be nerfed ( stupid logice right? same logig you used in your comparison... )

[ColonelPete]

 

In T8 main turrets are exactly the same on paper(so basically it gets a rack of 4 torps per side, without drawbacks), in T7 Scharn is denied any capability of engaging at range or heavily armored targets at all.

 

This is a serious L2P issue, because she can!

 

And the majority of her captains can play her and get better results than in Gneisenau.

You should ask yourself what you are doing wrong and not ask WG to make the ship even stronger.

[Devantejah]

After having like 5 dozend matches in her, i come to the conclusion that its not ina good spot atm.

 

 

If Scharnhorst isn't in a good spot right now, what ship is according to you? Imperator Nikolai I?

 

Huh? I admit I didn't read the stats, but GS has more damage than the Scharnhorst with those guns?

 

I read something about better accuracy, but I thought that's logical because of less guns and being a cruiser, but GS deals more damage?

GS have slightly more maximum AP damage to somewhat compensate for the 50% extra barrels on Scharnhorst.

 

[tsounts]

We shouldn't keep defending Scharnhorst that much or she'll get nerfed....

Maybe the OP needs a different type of ship to perform well in...

[ColonelPete]

We shouldn't keep defending Scharnhorst that much or she'll get nerfed....

 

 

Premium ship....

[Viktor_Lima]

You're not seriously asking a buff for the Scharnhorst? The ship is already a very powerful fast battleship, which if well piloted can destroy any BB up to Tier 9 in terrain and close quarters, while being completely superior to the cruisers it fights in terms of firepower and armour. I daresay Scharnhorst makes all T7 cruisers except Myoko and Belfast obsolete.

[Fatty_TheCaughtCarrier]

S T O P   U S I N G   A S   A   S N I P E R   R I F L E 

 

Dear WG; can you make a banner as "BATTLESHIPS ARE NOT SNIPER RIFLES" on top of the client ? Ty.

 

Lets make it clear boys;

 

1) Battleships are not sniper rifles

2) Germans shines at brawling, knife fights

3) US have open citadels

4) Japs have no air defence.

 

C'mon its soooo damn easy to understand

 

[ilhilh]

Threads like this make me wish we had neg rep buttons still

[Shirakami_Kon]

GS have slightly more maximum AP damage to somewhat compensate for the 50% extra barrels on Scharnhorst.

 

Oh, should have seen that earlier, seems fair enough. Thanks for the answer anyways. 

[T_H_0_R]

Shiny Horse buff? OP must be out of his mind. NO. Just no.

[aboomination]

NO. Just no.

 

New Orleans buff? Probably! Increased rof pls

[gizaman]

I hope you are using irony in that post. Scharnhorst does not need any buffs. It needs nerfs.

 

As a cruiser player at times I i see the Scharnhorst in a group on the other side, now I know that instead of dodging shells from battleships each 30 seconds, now it is 20 seconds. That is really a lot harder to do.

Besides if using 203mm guns my reload is 15 seconds...those 5 seconds does really not matter much in a 1vs1. 15 seconds in difference does.

Also the Scharnhorst player can easy just go full speed against me. He has almost all the advantages. I need to break of that engagement.

 

The armor layout of the scharnhorst is made so if he angles the front, he can both use all his 9 guns and still have the best armor possible. That is nice.

The close range armor is really nice. Have met it in a tier 7 battleship the colorado with a division mate in his tier 7 japan battleship. We did not get any citadel hits on hit even from very close range.

If you are a battleship player and that ship is closing in on you, you know you are in trouble. The fear of those torps can make any battleship captain be scared. 

 

What about the good AA? nice. The good matchmaking tier 7, The really nice secondaries....

 

What are there not to like about it? It is a fast battleship armored ship with 60k hp with upgrade that can get heal, 30 knots, good AA, Good secondaries and deadly torps that makes any close range fight against suicidal with it.

 

[aboomination]

It needs nerfs

 

Bite me!

[tsounts]

 

Premium ship....

 

I know, but it's WG we're talking about, you can never be sure!

[tsounts]

I hope you are using irony in that post. Scharnhorst does not need any buffs. It needs nerfs.

 

 

 

Blasphemer!

It's very inaccurate with its primary guns and that's the end of discussion! 

[txtspeak]

Blasphemer!

It's very inaccurate with its primary guns and that's the end of discussion! 

 

this is madness!

[IanH755]

 

this is madness!

 

 

 

At under 10km it's guns are very good, if a little UP against BB's (understandable really), but as a ship which makes Cruiser captains like myself poop their pants when one appears 10km away and charging at them, it's one of the best!

[Cpt_Mooney]

Being a mostly cruiser captain myself i gotta disagree.

The Scharn is the tier6+ BB im least affraid of. Just keep your angling and shell only make scratches in the paint, granted she even hits you at all with only a slim sillouhette visible.

While running away or approaching a Scharnhorst, your 99% safe in a tier6+ cruiser, while other BBs will easily punch thorugh your armor regardless.

 

I hope you are using irony in that post. Scharnhorst does not need any buffs. It needs nerfs.

Its an actual downgrade from the free counterpart, less HP, lackluster armament as long as your not right in someones face, weaker AA.

Funny how people insist on shes meant to be a brawler, and then dont complain about HP being cut.

Mind your that noone calls for simmilar drawbacks on the Tirpiz, even tho shes "allso" meant to brawl.

Cut down her HP by roughly 2200 HP (same ratio as in T7), lower her accuracy and AP alpha(again same treatment as in T7), and then youd actually need to come up with ANOTHER

negatve perk to compensate for the 33% more torps she carriers(while the scharn doesent even get any torpedo improovements over the Gneis, much unlike in the case of Bismark/Tirpiz,

so thats even a lowball call) to end up with a simmilar result in terms of balancing, as its found in the previous tier.

 

You dont want any of that? Well then yes, Scharn does need a buff, to justify her being a premium to begin with.

Clearly noone bothered about balancing when it comes to the most exensive premium, and thats a nono.

Either you treat and hamstring them all the same way, or you grant them all simmilar superiority in their tier.

Anyone with the slightest common sense can see the pattern that led to the situation we have atm, and calling for "balance" while being totally fine with the ludicrous OPness

(when compared to the free counterpart)of their own favorite toy(yes, to a certain degree the issue is allso the Tirpiz), is just plain pathetic.

Consistency people, consistency...

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Being a mostly cruiser captain myself i gotta disagree.

The Scharn is the tier6+ BB im least affraid of. Just keep your angling and shell only make scratches in the paint, granted she even hits you at all with only a slim sillouhette visible.

While running away or approaching a Scharnhorst, your 99% safe in a tier6+ cruiser, while other BBs will easily punch thorugh your armor regardless.

 

I hope you are using irony in that post. Scharnhorst does not need any buffs. It needs nerfs.

Its an actual downgrade from the free counterpart, less HP, lackluster armament as long as your not right in someones face, weaker AA.

Funny how people insist on shes meant to be a brawler, and then dont complain about HP being cut.

Mind your that noone calls for simmilar drawbacks on the Tirpiz, even tho shes "allso" meant to brawl.

Cut down her HP by roughly 2200 HP (same ratio as in T7), lower her accuracy and AP alpha(again same treatment as in T7), and then youd actually need to come up with ANOTHER

negatve perk to compensate for the 33% more torps she carriers(while the scharn doesent even get any torpedo improovements over the Gneis, much unlike in the case of Bismark/Tirpiz,

o thats even a lowball call) to end up with a simmilar result in terms of balancing, as its found in the previous tier.

 

You dont want any of that? Well then yes, Scharn does need a buff, to justify her being a premium to begin with.

Clearly noone bothered about balancing when it comes to the most exensive premium, and thats a nono.

Either you treat and hamstring them all the same way, or you grant them all simmilar superiority in their tier.

Anyone with the slightest common sense can see the pattern that led to the situation we have atm, and calling for "balance" while being totally fine with the ludicrous OPness

(when compared to the free counterpart)of their own favorite toy(yes, to a certain degree the issue is allso the Tirpiz), is just plain pathetic.

Consistency people, consistency...

 

 Can't decide if it's a troll post or if you're missing something...

 

Only thing I might agree with is Scharn is a little unbalanced but the other way.

 

I hope WG don't listen to the buff whines.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Ok let's put it another way.

 

15 point captain with manual secondaries. Full secondary ship spec.

 

For BB and Cruisers with no torps, charge them at an angle (direct bow in is bad). Get as close as possible, use secondaries and torp them as late as possible for good hits.

 

For DDs and Cruisers with torps. Stay out of their torp range and pepper with guns at mid range. Or charge and only use front 2 turrets, worry about dodging the girls.

 

Reap the rewards...

 

 

[Culiacan_Mexico]

 

Scharnhorst 53.50%  All time

Scharnhorst 55.07%  Last two weeks

 

All teir 7 BBs

Highest win percentage

Highest damage

Highest average Kills

 

[El2aZeR]

You dont want any of that? Well then yes, Scharn does need a buff, to justify her being a premium to begin with.

 

Hint: You do not buy a premium ship to automatically have a better ship than others (although a fair amount of them are, despite WG at one point promising that it would not be this way). You buy it for:

- historical reasons

- captain training

- credits/exp earning

- you're a collector and have cash to throw around

 

Do you even read bro?

[Cpt_Mooney]

Again, the Tirpiz gets all that 15pt captain mojo, without being completely gimped past 10k(its allso a brawler isnt it?), lower hp pool, terrible accuracy or any of that garbage.

In fact just got one shot ina mogami at 18k by a derpiz, brawling 4tw(sadly nowhere near the fitst time today).

How does this particular OP beast not have to deal with ANY drawbacks compared to its sister(despite the AA but thats allso true for T7) and "just" gets a free rack of torplaunchers?

See "oh crap, i dumped money on that one, they better dont DARE offer an alternative that might turn out equally attractive".

Shame on each and every one of the guys, who caused the whole subpar(when directlly comparing T7/T8) result, by having the audacity to cry for nerfes without allso demanding a Tirpiz rebalance.

If there were any intention of proper balance, youd find noumerous "nerf derpiz" threads, which are remarkably rare for "some" reason tho.

 

And as long as we HAVE "pay2win" opness on several ships(Murmansk still raises some funkey memories from back when tier5 was your grinding goto. or can you spell Belfast?),

spare me with "historical reasons". Ina a game where you DO get "premium consumables" etc OF COURSE you expect a slightly(! mind you not broken) advantageous performance.

Certainly at least not worse than the freebie counterart(and yes, arguably the Gneis is better atm, because it can engage all shiptypes at all ranges and brawl just as well, even with more hp buffer)...

 

Im not a fan of nerfing stuff to kingdom come, thats why id rather vote to get rid of some of the unnessesary nerfes allready in place(accuracy and lower health pool, i mean brawler, really?)

on the Scharn, instead of crying for nerfing premium ships that do offer above par performance.

I dont mind premiums being slightly stronger, as long as their balanced in their own right, and matchmaking gives every team an equal ammount of em.

 

/edit: Call it a peventive measure: I absolutely refuse to pay money for "the most OP, and ofc most expensive shannigans".

If there were any KIND of reasonable balance, i might have actually settled with the derpiz.

#equalrights

[RandyWookie]

What we're dealing with here is a case of "I'm sorry, I didn't read the manual". Use the Scharn to hunt cruisers. When up against a BB, pretend she IS a cruiser - spam HE and run away or be Chuck Norris, close the distance and torp the evil BB. We can't have every ship work well against every other ship. I see difficulties with that approach .