Is there any point to low tier BB?

[lezantas26]

long range you dont hit crap, medium range you are burning all the time AND you cant hit crap, low range you get torped to death AND you cant hit crap (if you manage to shoot anything with such turret traverse in the first place..)

 

i am trying to grind out of the wyoming, and i dont get any enjoyment out of it. is this kind of gameplay what new players should experience, is it supposed to suck them into the game?

 

i am not a BB fanboy, not even a BB player, most my games are in JPN cruisers, just find that low tiers are "DD or go home"

[aboomination]

Spend 150€ and get yourself a balanced I.N. - now you can enjoy low tier BB gameplay with accurate guns!

[RUSSIANBlAS]

WG I'm sorry but the Nikolai is stupid, utterly stupid.

 

I acquired one recently and its basically like having a hack. It's a middle finger up to all the poor/unfortunate/non Russians.

 

It's by far the most broken ship in the game and stinks of an illogical Russian bias.

 

Lets go through its bad points first:

 

Has awful AA

 

Is slow (only as slow as USN BB however).

 

Reload is alittle slow as are the shell flight times.

 

Now the plus points:

 

It's armour is insane for a T4 ship, when angled it doesn't seem to care about enemy BBs. That is if they can even hit you as they have derp dispersion.

 

The guns are the worst (most op) thing about her. 12 guns that have fantasy penetration values vs other BB. Playing casually you can hit other BB for 10k+ every salvo. It has excellent dispersion, like a higher tier BB.

 

The position of the guns is crazy also, you can almost always get 9 guns on target (forget about the rear one, you seldom need another 3 op AP rounds). The way they are set out is essentially like a Dunkerque with a little blind spot in the middle that a little forward planning can easily overcome.

 

The Matchmaking... Before I understand she  could see T6 ships. Now she sees a maximum of T5. Essentially you click BATTLE! and you immediately know you will be the top dog BB in every single game. You will out gun and out tank every other ship you might face.

 

The opposition, T3 and T4 ships have no chance against you.Their dispersion, guns and armour suck and are just big floating bags of XP. T5 has a chance atleast.

 

I do play quite a bit of BB and Nikolai is simply obscene. 

 

It's essentially an Arizona and Dunkerque mated together and knocked down two tiers.

 

Shame on WG for even making this thing, but I will continue to use it from time to time to massage my fragile ego 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

110k in Ishizuchi. Confederate. High caliber...

 

Well there is a point to *that* one anyway. Much easier to farm those awards than higher tier games. Where people are good.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

110k in Ishizuchi. Confederate. High caliber...

 

Well there is a point to *that* one anyway. Much easier to farm those awards than higher tier games. Where people are good.

 

True, it isnt a bad ship. Funny to fire troll everyone with a high level IJN CA captain with DE.

 

Until Nikolai shows up that is...

 

[1MajorKoenig]

@OP: yes there is.

 

1) for ppl who like the ships. It's the era when BB vs BB fights did happen. WW2 was the age of air war in fact. Also the mist beautiful battleships and Battlecruisers are from thus era.

 

2) learn BB gameplay and learn not to snipe ffs! Low tier BB matches are brawling slug fests. Boy, these high tier camper idiots suck! Or worse the "REVERSE-PADDLISTS".... *scary soundeffect*

[aboomination]

110k in Ishizuchi. Confederate. High caliber...

 

Well there is a point to *that* one anyway. Much easier to farm those awards than higher tier games. Where people are good.

 

Ishi doesn't allow for "true bb gameplay", tho.

 

1MajorKoenig, on 25 December 2016 - 04:20 PM, said:

It's the era when BB vs BB fights did happen.

 

And the tier where cruisers and DD dominate (not saying this is a bad thing, BB are popular regardless.

 

 learn BB gameplay and learn not to snipe ffs!

 

Wyoming will miss at any range.

 

[ColonelPete]

Take Nassau, Kaiser, Wyoming or any of the premiums (except Mikasa) and have fun. Kawachi, South Carolina and Myogi are an aquired taste, but not bad.

 

 

 Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/12/10 ]

Nation	Class	Tier	Name	Win	Damage	Kills/Battle	Survival		Players	Battles
SN	CA	3	Aurora	43.79	17.019	0.48	19.96		12	170
KM	CA	3	Kolberg	47.05	14.626	0.52	20.79		968	14.097
JP	CA	3	Tenryu	47.34	17.072	0.63	21.41		673	9.817
RN	CA	3	Caledon	47.46	15.648	0.59	20.82		1.033	15.208
US	BB	3	South Carolina	48.35	21.144	0.67	35.29		1.540	23.139
RN	DD	3	Campbeltown	48.38	19.833	0.76	21.11		184	2.974
US	DD	3	Wickes	48.69	14.129	0.64	15.10		639	9.317
JP	DD	3	Wakatake	48.73	15.200	0.60	22.15		479	6.396
JP	BB	3	Kawachi	48.76	20.974	0.71	34.90		800	11.850
SN	DD	3	Derzki	48.78	12.931	0.59	15.28		376	5.922
US	CA	3	St. Louis	50.94	21.035	0.74	29.42		1.338	20.618
SN	CA	3	Bogatyr	51.15	22.385	0.74	29.98		451	6.706
KM	BB	3	Nassau	51.70	29.663	1.08	41.17		1.969	30.071
KM	BB	3	Koenig Albert	58.68	39.338	1.38	45.30		19	426

 

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/12/10 ]
Nation	Class	Tier	Name	Win	Damage	Kills/Battle	Survival
JP	BB	4	Myogi	47.31	23.026	0.54	34.88
KM	CA	4	Karlsruhe	48.05	15.580	0.47	18.06
RN	CA	4	Danae	48.08	17.130	0.60	17.36
US	BB	4	Wyoming	48.64	27.655	0.69	34.90
US	CV	4	Langley	48.73	28.668	0.61	44.36
SN	DD	4	Izyaslav	48.91	16.278	0.60	16.63
US	CA	4	Phoenix	48.92	18.497	0.50	18.02
KM	BB	4	Kaiser	49.16	34.108	0.88	40.08
JP	CA	4	Kuma	49.38	19.844	0.59	18.63
JP	DD	4	Isokaze	49.51	20.681	0.71	23.54
SN	CA	4	Svietlana	50.04	21.076	0.62	20.73
US	DD	4	Clemson	50.70	19.402	0.76	17.06
JP	CV	4	Hosho	50.97	38.632	0.87	55.30

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/68793-why-low-tier-battleships-must-suck/page__p__1493255#entry1493255

 

 

[RenamedUser_92906789]

long range you dont hit crap, medium range you are burning all the time AND you cant hit crap, low range you get torped to death AND you cant hit crap (if you manage to shoot anything with such turret traverse in the first place..)

 

i am trying to grind out of the wyoming, and i dont get any enjoyment out of it. is this kind of gameplay what new players should experience, is it supposed to suck them into the game?

 

i am not a BB fanboy, not even a BB player, most my games are in JPN cruisers, just find that low tiers are "DD or go home"

 

Now for some serious answer....

 

Yes, current release of KM DD line makes low tier BBs hard to play. 

You have either not to play (grind) low tier BBs and rather focus on countering current DD infestation (your prefered DD killers of any tier).

 

As regarding to Wyoming ... its a decend ship. Sure its slow, but when you hit you will do massive damage. Its not as trash as some might say ... i like it a lot, I am not afraid of facing a DD (just turn away and use your two turrets to delete him). The only pain are CVs if you get focused by them, because of the slow speed and lack of AA. Fires are not that much of an issue ... pack premium consumables and invest in standard BB skills (survivability, high alert, super indendent, vigilance) and completely ignore T4 and T5 captain skills. Oh one more thing... always try to get a cruiser to join you if you are not divisioning.

 

In conclusion ... Wyoming is a great ship, I like it far better then Myogi or Kaizer. Plus its a T4 MM. Its one of the low tier ships I kept and an still playing it now and then (mostly with some division mate preferable Yubari ).

[Hades_warrior]

long range you dont hit crap, medium range you are burning all the time AND you cant hit crap, low range you get torped to death AND you cant hit crap (if you manage to shoot anything with such turret traverse in the first place..)

 

i am trying to grind out of the wyoming, and i dont get any enjoyment out of it. is this kind of gameplay what new players should experience, is it supposed to suck them into the game?

 

i am not a BB fanboy, not even a BB player, most my games are in JPN cruisers, just find that low tiers are "DD or go home"

 

If youre not a BB player but cruiser, then you wont find much joy in playing that class not even on higher tiers.

Wyoming is a very good ship for his tier and good damage dealer with 6 main batterys. Next in line is New York. Now, that is much less joyable ship then Wyo.

After are coming better ships, New Mexico, Colorado, and ofc, N. Carolina as very popular BB in general.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

 

If youre not a BB player but cruiser, then you wont find much joy in playing that class not even on higher tiers.

Wyoming is a very good ship for his tier and good damage dealer with 6 main batterys. Next in line is New York. Now, that is much less joyable ship then Wyo.

After are coming better ships, New Mexico, Colorado, and ofc, N. Carolina as very popular BB in general.

 

I agree. New York is the only BB in USN line that I actually sold

[Hades_warrior]

I have and Texas who is the same class as NY only upgraded, and is better then NY a bit.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

I have and Texas who is the same class as NY only upgraded, and is better then NY a bit.

 

And with better AA Texas is what NY should be in regular line, but unfortunately NY is only a minor improvement of the Wyoming with far worse MM.

[Hades_warrior]

From my experience I found NY downgrade comparing to Wyoming. Did less damage.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

From my experience I found NY downgrade comparing to Wyoming. Did less damage.

 

Eeerm no ...

That is just RNG and worse MM 

 

Main battery: (Wyoming:NY)

305 mm/50 Mk7

356 mm/45 Mk2

 

Dispersion: (Wyoming:NY)

169.00 - 1.54%

201.00 - 1.42%

 

Gun rotation is the same, and NY has 3 secs longer reload time.

[SovietFury43]

 

Because those ships WERE crappy in real life compared to their 1930/40s counterparts.

 

No radar, barely any AA, crappy torpedo protection, poor speed and manouverability, poor fire control, crappy deck armor. Those ships were made at a time when other BBs were really the only thing they had to fear, but in game they face planes with bombs and torpedoes, Destroyers with torpedoes, agile fire spitting CLs etc. 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

In game the Wyoming and New York even are good ships. Managed decent damage in both.

[lezantas26]

 

If youre not a BB player but cruiser, then you wont find much joy in playing that class not even on higher tiers.

Wyoming is a very good ship for his tier and good damage dealer with 6 main batterys. Next in line is New York. Now, that is much less joyable ship then Wyo.

After are coming better ships, New Mexico, Colorado, and ofc, N. Carolina as very popular BB in general.

 

i play some BB too, its my second most played class because i need way more games to grind them, DD is the class i am best at and i grinded some mid tiers easily so its my less played class 

 

anyway, today is not a very good today in wows for me so i am not sure i can conclude anything, but the t5 games i played as wyoming were better. i was able to perform well, able to citadel, not get torped instantly. the only difference was that there were not 10 DD in each team, unlike t3 

[godofdarkness]

u can always try to learn to play

cruisers have low range - why not do your job?

nevermind the armor japanese dont have

upgrades

scout plane

And i guess u rly dont want those high tier ships, so quit now.

[lezantas26]

u can always try to learn to play

cruisers have low range - why not do your job?

nevermind the armor japanese dont have

upgrades

scout plane

And i guess u rly dont want those high tier ships, so quit now.

 

wut?

[txtspeak]

Is it just me that's never had trouble defeating nikolais in kongos at all?

[steviln]

 

Now the plus points:

 

 

You forgot the very small superstructure! So it is a very difficult to ship to set on fire or damage with a british CL as well. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Is it just me that's never had trouble defeating nikolais in kongos at all?

 

 Then their pilots must be doing it wrong.

 

Nikolai is the Lord and Master of low tier BB! 

 

You forgot the very small superstructure! So it is a very difficult to ship to set on fire or damage with a british CL as well. 

 

 Yes, true. Flame retardant facility built in too... Laugh as the underpowered short fuse AP plink off the side of the hull.

[Shirakami_Kon]

WG I'm sorry but the Nikolai is stupid, utterly stupid.

 

I acquired one recently and its basically like having a hack. It's a middle finger up to all the poor/unfortunate/non Russians.

 

It's by far the most broken ship in the game and stinks of an illogical Russian bias.

 

Lets go through its bad points first:

 

Has awful AA

 

Is slow (only as slow as USN BB however).

 

Reload is alittle slow as are the shell flight times.

 

Now the plus points:

 

It's armour is insane for a T4 ship, when angled it doesn't seem to care about enemy BBs. That is if they can even hit you as they have derp dispersion.

 

The guns are the worst (most op) thing about her. 12 guns that have fantasy penetration values vs other BB. Playing casually you can hit other BB for 10k+ every salvo. It has excellent dispersion, like a higher tier BB.

 

The position of the guns is crazy also, you can almost always get 9 guns on target (forget about the rear one, you seldom need another 3 op AP rounds). The way they are set out is essentially like a Dunkerque with a little blind spot in the middle that a little forward planning can easily overcome.

 

The Matchmaking... Before I understand she  could see T6 ships. Now she sees a maximum of T5. Essentially you click BATTLE! and you immediately know you will be the top dog BB in every single game. You will out gun and out tank every other ship you might face.

 

The opposition, T3 and T4 ships have no chance against you.Their dispersion, guns and armour suck and are just big floating bags of XP. T5 has a chance atleast.

 

I do play quite a bit of BB and Nikolai is simply obscene. 

 

It's essentially an Arizona and Dunkerque mated together and knocked down two tiers.

 

Shame on WG for even making this thing, but I will continue to use it from time to time to massage my fragile ego 

 

 

Well, it could be worse. Just slap a 15 point captain in it with CE so everything that detects you it's well within your range.  Make yourself feel genuinely bad with that max sealclubbing.  Add Vigilance on top of that and the only thing that could remotely worry you a bit it's a Kamikaze or Fujin.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Well, it could be worse. Just slap a 15 point captain in it with CE so everything that detects you it's well within your range.  Make yourself feel genuinely bad with that max sealclubbing. 

 

 Hopefully I'll never play that much of her to get to CE! Shame on you if you do that