waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #1 Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) Was in my kiev.....had a great game going, was at 90k dmg and plenty of dmg to go......get into a fight with a mahan....wreck him.....last shot he fires blows me up from 9k hp........Weird thing is that I have the detonation flag on and nothing else. I told someone he was in idiot on the forums earlier because he said you can still blow up even with the flag. I was wrong and I am sorry. Edited December 23, 2016 by waxx25 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #2 Posted December 23, 2016 Were you stacked with fire buff flags? Surely a Detonation Flag alone should reduce the chance to 0%!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #3 Posted December 23, 2016 Were you stacked with fire buff flags? Surely a Detonation Flag alone should reduce the chance to 0%!? detonation flag speed flag +50% exp +300 free exp +dragon flag +50% commander flag Ocean soul camo none of which mess with detonation Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #4 Posted December 23, 2016 That was really bad luck! Lets hope it never happens to you again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #5 Posted December 23, 2016 If this is the case, hope have demo so you can report a bug. Someone should also explain how is detonation mechanic actually working. If I mount detonation flag (Juliet Charlie) + fire flag (India X Ray) that increases the enemy detonation chance (not yours). Do they stack up? Is order of mounting relevant? Is it: X + 5% - 100% = 0% or X -100% + 5% = 5% .... or what? Juliet Charlie (Detonation) "Juliet Charlie" has you 100% covered when it comes to magazine detonations. If only insurance companies were so effective... India X-Ray (Arsonist) Increases the chances of setting an enemy ship on fire - the enemy has a greater chance of detonating your magazine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #6 Posted December 23, 2016 I have the replay yes maybe submit it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XbodzioXplX Players 6,008 posts 7,043 battles Report post #7 Posted December 23, 2016 Offcially devs said that even you have detonation flag there is STILL a chance to explode. But it is so close to zero that it doesn't count. Well.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #8 Posted December 23, 2016 detonation flag speed flag +50% exp +300 free exp +dragon flag +50% commander flag Ocean soul camo none of which mess with detonation wow, bad time. I bet the speed flag has a secret engine detonation chance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
XbodzioXplX Players 6,008 posts 7,043 battles Report post #9 Posted December 23, 2016 I bet the speed flag has a secret engine detonation chance But only when you doesn't have premium account lul 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BOTS] deadly_if_swallowed Players 1,678 posts 13,867 battles Report post #10 Posted December 23, 2016 Had the same with Montana a few days ago. I use this flag on all my T10 ships after my Yamato got detonated by a stray torp that slipped through some islands. Recently, my Montana got detonated by a Fletcher torp to the side. In both cases the torpedoes hit the hull close to turret X. So yeah, it does happen apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #11 Posted December 23, 2016 Surely a Detonation Flag alone should reduce the chance to 0%!? Nope, you can detonate if you have that flag only, but chance is very low. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #12 Posted December 23, 2016 Nope, you can detonate if you have that flag only, but chance is very low. The official description is: "has you 100% covered" DEVS ... can you please elaborate? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #13 Posted December 23, 2016 Had the same with Montana a few days ago. I use this flag on all my T10 ships after my Yamato got detonated by a stray torp that slipped through some islands. Recently, my Montana got detonated by a Fletcher torp to the side. In both cases the torpedoes hit the hull close to turret X. So yeah, it does happen apparently. Under the turrets is a well known BB detonation hot spot. I've even steered into a torp wall and made it happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nethraniel Beta Tester 1,739 posts 1,782 battles Report post #14 Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) Is it: X + 5% - 100% = 0% or X -100% + 5% = 5% .... or what? I think, but that is only my guess, it is X - [X*(1.0-0.05)] = X - 0.95*X = 0.05'X So Detonation Flag + Fire Flag = 95% reduced chance Edited December 23, 2016 by Nethraniel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waxx25 Players 1,296 posts 11,488 battles Report post #15 Posted December 23, 2016 by definition a 100% reduced chance is....im thinking kind of 100% which is total reduction? Unless my stronk Russian math is off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,829 battles Report post #16 Posted December 23, 2016 Even if the 100% is only applied to the base chance of detonation, you don't use anything else that increases the chance. Maybe there is a hidden variable for each ship with "extra" chance for detonation? DD's seem to detonate way more often anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KptStrzyga Beta Tester 4,868 posts 5,014 battles Report post #17 Posted December 23, 2016 Makes me wonder what other flags are "working as intended", especially when I have both flags increasing fire chance mounted on Mogami and I get one fire after 50 hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EXNOM] Spuggy Players 557 posts 6,203 battles Report post #18 Posted December 23, 2016 My knowledge of this subject is that the flag reduces your detonation chance to something like 0.1% or 0.01%. In other words, so small it's negligible. I have a feeling that this might have something to do with the risk of negative numbers. A while ago, when playing eve online, someone figured out that you can debuff a stat so hard that it turns it into a negative number. This had the effect of creating a 100% chance / stat. The code just didn't know how to deal with it. This allowed ships to fire their weapons that would normally have only 10km of range out to 249km (249km range was a hard stop on range - if this hard stop wasn't there it could of potentially been further). They also received perfect accuracy from this debuff too which meant they dealt perfect damage at impossible ranges. All because the debuffs caused negative numbers. Leaving the detonation chance at 0.01% might be a safety measure in preventing an unwanted 100% chance being generated by mistake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #19 Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) The official description is: "has you 100% covered" DEVS ... can you please elaborate? This is known for long long time ago, you still have very small chance of detonation with this flag . DEVS know nothing :p Look at the fire chance, this is not the chance you get fires, this is part of larger equation that takes some contant values, other modifiers and calculates final fire chance for each shell that is more or less half of the shell fire chance. My guess is that the "detonation" chance is some constant added to an each ship and part of bigger eqwuation , for example kiev has it 0.23 and it ends after calculations with 1% detonation chance , flag "100%" increase that constant value to 0.46 and final calculations are 0.1% detonation chance . Or something like that "Description is wrong misleading and inaccurate" - remember this in every game made by Wargaming that is one of the golden rules Edited December 23, 2016 by KaraMon Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Tuccy [WG] WG Staff, Alpha Tester 3,516 posts 11,627 battles Report post #20 Posted December 23, 2016 detonation flag speed flag +50% exp +300 free exp +dragon flag +50% commander flag Ocean soul camo none of which mess with detonation Hello, Do you by chance have a replay of the battle, or at least screenshot? If you did not sport any flag messing with the detonation and still got detonated, it may be some weird stuff On the other hand the flags that increase your detonation chance do mess with the 100% coverage. So in any case, if you have a recording of Detonation despite all precautions taken, bring it on, please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SLOTH] txtspeak Players 3,041 posts 5,653 battles Report post #21 Posted December 23, 2016 I told someone he was in idiot on the forums earlier because he said you can still blow up even with the flag. I was wrong and I am sorry. you are forgiven Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #22 Posted December 23, 2016 I remember reading in one of the RU Q&As that due to technical reasons the anti-detonation signal isn't -100% but -99.99999% or something. This was quite a while ago so I may be misremembering or it might have changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
robihr Players 3,168 posts 9,352 battles Report post #23 Posted December 23, 2016 flag probably gives you 99.99% chance of reduction of detonation, but they rounded it up to 100% 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anonym_EFwxJOPWzlER Players 1,473 posts Report post #24 Posted December 23, 2016 Was in my kiev.....had a great game going, was at 90k dmg and plenty of dmg to go......get into a fight with a mahan....wreck him.....last shot he fires blows me up from 9k hp........Weird thing is that I have the detonation flag on and nothing else. I told someone he was in idiot on the forums earlier because he said you can still blow up even with the flag. I was wrong and I am sorry. Well i'm impressed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #25 Posted December 23, 2016 WG should take a hint from soap companies 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
