Mutsu, New IJN premium Battleship

[Trainspite]

 

 

Kind of an issue with the IJN BBs is that there isn't really any ship between Nagato and Yamato. So possibly they go for B-65 to test the waters for other super sized cruisers (O-Class, Alaska).

 

Well, it is fairly easy I would say, since you have a wealth of designs (Kongo-replacement, Fuso-rebuild, Yamato-preliminary) from Fujimoto and Hiraga that wouldn't be used in the tech trees, at least how I imagine them. 

 

Nagato                > Tosa   > A140J2 (Izumo) > Yamato

B-62 (Kisokoma) > Amagi > Kii                      > Number 13 (Izumi)

 

 

[1MajorKoenig]

That is just the BB/BC line split you are describing?

[Trainspite]

That is just the BB/BC line split you are describing?

 

Yes, but I was just saying there are some premium ship candidates that do fit inbetween Nagato & Yamato, unless you are referring to non-paper designs in which case I have derped and mis-understood you. 

 

That was just part of the BB/BC line split though:

 

Kawachi        > A51 (Buzen) > A57 (Etchu) > Fuso > Nagato              > Tosa    > A140-J2 (Izumo) > Yamato

B41 (Shiomi) > B40 (Myogi) > Kongo          > *       > B62 (Kisokoma) > Amagi > Kii                        > Number 13 (Izumi)

 

*= Insert Amagi preliminary or B-65 here. Haven't really figured that one out yet.

[Takeda92]

 

You mean a T10 Premium ship...? No limits?

 

I don't know about "premium," ARP Takao was a reward but it isn't a premium ship.

[dekjabrist]

Wiill Mutsu have the spontaneous magazine explosion feature, like the real Mutsu ?

 

 

Kidding aside, it´s overdue that IJN gets some love in form of new premiums.

[1MajorKoenig]

 

Yes, but I was just saying there are some premium ship candidates that do fit inbetween Nagato & Yamato, unless you are referring to non-paper designs in which case I have derped and mis-understood you. 

 

That was just part of the BB/BC line split though:

 

Kawachi        > A51 (Buzen) > A57 (Etchu) > Fuso > Nagato              > Tosa    > A140-J2 (Izumo) > Yamato

B41 (Shiomi) > B40 (Myogi) > Kongo          > *       > B62 (Kisokoma) > Amagi > Kii                        > Number 13 (Izumi)

 

*= Insert Amagi preliminary or B-62 here. Haven't really figured that one out yet.

 

Yea, sorry. Meant real ships. But you are right there are designs and it is very well possible that WG uses paper designs as premiums as well. I was still under the false impression that premium ships should have some interesting history to them. 

 

Also I would prefer to see Amagi, Kii and No13 in a split BC line :-)

[Trainspite]

 

Yea, sorry. Meant real ships. But you are right there are designs and it is very well possible that WG uses paper designs as premiums as well. I was still under the false impression that premium ships should have some interesting history to them. 

 

Also I would prefer to see Amagi, Kii and No13 in a split BC line :-)

 

No reason to be sorry there. But paper-ships will probably have their place, and some as premiums, because they are unique usually, like Ishizuchi. 10x 12" on a battlecruiser is not something seen on ships built at tier 4. 

[Artech52]

Having now seen the datamined stats, if it doesn't change before release (ha, yeah, I know...) I'm quite excited for this ship actually. Looks like it'll be a lot of fun.

[sharpie65]

Hell yeah. Torpedoes on a BB, even if they're single-shot, narrow-arc ones? Could be a test for future ships, mind...

[StringWitch]

even Nassau can citadel her.

 

While Nagato-class armour is poor, the above isn't remarkable. Apparently Nassau has very good penetration, better than Scharnhorst for same gun calibre. This is only only up to 1km, but it shows how people can make statements that are technically true but misleading.

[Affeks]

 

There will be - don't worry. And my strong guess would be even 1st half of 2017 as they said there are plans multiple times. It could be a Tosa class even if WG said they'd have different plans for her (line split?). 

 

Kind of an issue with the IJN BBs is that there isn't really any ship between Nagato and Yamato. So possibly they go for B-65 to test the waters for other super sized cruisers (O-Class, Alaska).

 

I have always been split on B65, she could fit both tier 7 and 8 (if the AA isnt too strong. The second IJN BB line lacks a tier 7 candidate, and seeing as tier 8 has very many (paper designs) candidates Im kinda led to believe WG is saving her for the tier 7 spot in the tree...

 

Fujimoto, Hiraga, Kii, Tosa and B65 are all pretty sexy designs and I have no doubt well see them somewhere down the line. When and where is the real question. 

[Takeda92]

 

I have always been split on B65, she could fit both tier 7 and 8 (if the AA isnt too strong. The second IJN BB line lacks a tier 7 candidate, and seeing as tier 8 has very many (paper designs) candidates Im kinda led to believe WG is saving her for the tier 7 spot in the tree...

 

Fujimoto, Hiraga, Kii, Tosa and B65 are all pretty sexy designs and I have no doubt well see them somewhere down the line. When and where is the real question. 

 

Depends on whether they give her 127mm DP guns or 100mm DP guns. Since the ship is mostly blueprint, I believe they can have their way with it.

 

You know what other "real" ship that has 100mm guns? Ooyodo, which is probably one of the hardest ships to declare a suitable tier for. She's a light cruiser, with Mogami's 155mm guns, only 6 of them in two frontal turrets, no torpedoes at all, but her AA is basically an Akizuki strapped onto her.

 

Another decent AA DP guns was the 76mm (8cm/60) used on Agano-class. Since WG gave Ibuki cruiser 10cm DPs (which wouldn't be historical) I see no reason why they couldn't tailor the AA the way they want it to be for balance reasons.

 

It would be nice to see one of Yamato's predecessors designs, with triple 41cm guns but 100mm DP guns. Sort of like Izumo but done right.

[Affeks]

 

Depends on whether they give her 127mm DP guns or 100mm DP guns. Since the ship is mostly blueprint, I believe they can have their way with it.

 

You know what other "real" ship that has 100mm guns? Ooyodo, which is probably one of the hardest ships to declare a suitable tier for. She's a light cruiser, with Mogami's 155mm guns, only 6 of them in two frontal turrets, no torpedoes at all, but her AA is basically an Akizuki strapped onto her.

 

Another decent AA DP guns was the 76mm (8cm/60) used on Agano-class. Since WG gave Ibuki cruiser 10cm DPs (which wouldn't be historical) I see no reason why they couldn't tailor the AA the way they want it to be for balance reasons.

 

It would be nice to see one of Yamato's predecessors designs, with triple 41cm guns but 100mm DP guns. Sort of like Izumo but done right.

 

Agano is much easier than Oyodo though, she only carrier 4 of them after all. Also Agano has torpedoes while Oyodo has her bigger hangar, which is the only thing that could give her a place in tier 7+ matchmaking tbh. So thats more of a gameplay mechanic that needs to be flushed out, thats why I haven't made any threads on her haha. btw the 76mms was supposed to be used on the Ibuki carrier conversion so thats the two only ships that would have those in game I think.

 

I don't think we'll see any Yamato predecessor designs, Izumo kinda took and ruined that spot. My problem is not with the turret layout, but the ship just lacks clutter and small details that would certainly make it to the ship if it were to be build. Its like WG just copy pasted whatever they found on shipbucket lol. If you look at Yamato it was based off of simelar designs, but it obviously progressed and small changes being made underways that give her those small details that make her look like an actual ship. Izumo just looks like a rushed childs toy smh. 

 

What I would like to see and I think many will disagree is the A 150 at the second tier 10 spot. Only the scaled down version that would be basically the same weight and design as Yamato, but only with those sweet 100mm DPs and 3x2 20" guns. When I look at info online I find some sources saying it would also have a few 155mm secondaries, but others say it wouldn't so idk. Compared to Yamato it would have better AA, possibly 3 knots faster speed and better belt armor, but worse secondaries and worse volume on broadsides. 18" guns already lolpen everything, so having 20" guns wouldn't be op I think. Even with 20.1" guns they wouldn't overmatch something like the Montanas 38mm upper plate armor so 18" or 20" would mean much difference other than the usual pen values. Last time I touched on the topic of above 18.1" guns everybody thought it would be Yamato only worse, but tbh 32mm of overmatch is the lolpen threshold so it doesn't matter. 

 

TLDR GIVE ME MORE GIMMICK SHIPS WG

[1MajorKoenig]

 

I just got that info recently so it's not soon...

 

Hey Darth! Are there any news on Ashitaka?

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Hey Darth! Are there any news on Ashitaka?

 

Nope.

[SmartassNoob]

Are there any new news about this ship?

[1MajorKoenig]

I think Mutsu will be a lot of fun!

 

Just watched the Russian stats video and she looks promising to me.

 

My only (small) complaint is the curved funnel - it looks silly. But I guess that didn't want her original configuration because of AA. At least she has some 40mm autocannons and 127mm AA guns even if not many. But that shouldn't be an issue.

[pihip_wg]

^Found this on YT, a bit old but for those who have yet to catch up with this ship's tentative stats... (it's in English btw).

 

If the armor is at least decent, I might pick her over Warspite when Mutsu comes out, her larger caliber, tolerable turret traverse and option for torpedoes (even if shoddy ones) make her interesting.

 

[Trainspite]

I think Mutsu will be a lot of fun!

 

Just watched the Russian stats video and she looks promising to me.

 

My only (small) complaint is the curved funnel - it looks silly. But I guess that didn't want her original configuration because of AA. At least she has some 40mm autocannons and 127mm AA guns even if not many. But that shouldn't be an issue.

 

Mutsu's curved funnel is the Nagato A-hull, I doubt they would model anew again. Since it is the former stock hull or near enough, which probably would not have many AA mounts, carriers will always have their way with her. I doubt AA would have been the factor why it is like that.

[Darth_Glorious]

The biggest problem with the hull A-Nagato is that you can get citadel hit from any angle....

[1MajorKoenig]

 

Mutsu's curved funnel is the Nagato A-hull, I doubt they would model anew again. Since it is the former stock hull or near enough, which probably would not have many AA mounts, carriers will always have their way with her. I doubt AA would have been the factor why it is like that.

 

True.

 

Just prefer her original appearance over the first refits. In my opinion Nagato as built was a gorgeous ship. With each refit it went downhill but that's just me :-)

[Affeks]

 

True.

 

Just prefer her original appearance over the first refits. In my opinion Nagato as built was a gorgeous ship. With each refit it went downhill but that's just me :-)

 

Haha I can see where you're from, I find WW2/early cold war era ships to be the only good looking ships ever (with a few exceptions). So those refits made her a lot more attractive to me. Sad Nagato didn't get the same kind of ww2 superstructure the B/C hull Amagi did. Then again thats just me :-)

 

The biggest problem with the hull A-Nagato is that you can get citadel hit from any angle....

 

I got this feeling WG will probably do something about it, you kno since its a premium ship and all.

If the armor is at least decent, I might pick her over Warspite when Mutsu comes out, her larger caliber, tolerable turret traverse and option for torpedoes (even if shoddy ones) make her interesting.

 

 

ATM Warspite is my favourite big-gun-for-its-tier-ship in the game, Mutsu will contest it, but untill then we'll just have to wait.

 

Warspite has 2.0 sigma while it looks like Mutsu has 1.8 so that may be the part that will ensure Warspites place as my fav. I'll take my consistency over big rng moments any day in BBs.

[fnord_disc]

I think Mutsu will be a lot of fun!

 

Just watched the Russian stats video and she looks promising to me.

 

My only (small) complaint is the curved funnel - it looks silly. But I guess that didn't want her original configuration because of AA. At least she has some 40mm autocannons and 127mm AA guns even if not many. But that shouldn't be an issue.

 

The curved funnel is not the way the ship was built anyway. The forward funnel was directly aft of the superstructure, but the smoke interfered with the platforms there and so the first remodel in the 20s installed the long, curved funnel.

 

Then when the machinery was changed in the 30s, it was removed altogether.

 

Here's a picture of Mutsu in 1921:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Mutsu1921.jpg/1920px-Mutsu1921.jpg

 

edit:

Oh, you implied you knew that. Didn't read your post properly.

[1MajorKoenig]

Nice picture. Such a beauty :-)

[Affeks]

 

The curved funnel is not the way the ship was built anyway. The forward funnel was directly aft of the superstructure, but the smoke interfered with the platforms there and so the first remodel in the 20s installed the long, curved funnel.

 

Then when the machinery was changed in the 30s, it was removed altogether.

 

Here's a picture of Mutsu in 1921:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6c/Mutsu1921.jpg/1920px-Mutsu1921.jpg

 

edit:

Oh, you implied you knew that. Didn't read your post properly.

 

Curved or no curve doesn't matter that much too me, it doesnt have one of those single trunked funnels I've come to love