Mutsu, New IJN premium Battleship

[Takeda92]

 

C'mon guys! Finally they do something meaningful with the stock hulls. That IS a good thing'

 

True. I've been thinking and changed my mind a bit. Stock Nagato has completely different look that elite hull, and at tier 6, she's directly compared to Fuso and the 2 are different enough. She does come with a gimmick of only tier 6 BB with torps. In fact, I don't see why people complain about Mutsu but Texas (NY clone) and Arizona (she's another class yet it's more of a clone to New Mexico) are ok.

 

Would I buy it? no. I don't care about BBs. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

The USN ships aren't nerfed and lowered in tier. Tex has op AA and Arizona is just better than the NM.

[VC381]

The USN ships aren't nerfed and lowered in tier. Tex has op AA and Arizona is just better than the NM.

 

Look we get it, you don't want this ship, that's fine. But it's not a good thing for premiums to be better than their regular counterpart and not everyone buys a ship just for how strong it is. Premiums are meant to be different and unique. There is a group of people that have been very vocal for some time about wanting WWI and 1920s look ships to be viable not just stock hulls to grind past and this makes us very happy. We wouldn't complain about a premium you might like but we wouldn't so why should your incessant negative feedback affect our chances of getting more things we like but you don't in future?

[Trainspite]

The USN ships aren't nerfed and lowered in tier. Tex has op AA and Arizona is just better than the NM.

 

Can I have the reasoning on why Arizona is better? I haven't bought her thusfar because I believe New Mexico has advantages, but if Arizona is just straight better....

[Takeda92]

Speaking of undertiered sister ships, I wouldn't mind Maya (Takao's sistership with one turret removed for more AA) to be a tier 7 premium cruiser, so I'm fine with them as long as they are different enough.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Can I have the reasoning on why Arizona is better? I haven't bought her thusfar because I believe New Mexico has advantages, but Arizona is just straight better....

 

Arizona has tougher armour (better deck I believe) and her guns are more accurate. It will out perform a New Mex in the same situations.

 

Poorer AA and rudder but a lot of torp dodging is forward planning and anticipation.

[SmartassNoob]

Seems like another piece of evidence that I've figured out their marketing strategy and stuff. 

 

They used to try to make tier 7 the "ideal tier". By now they've realized that most players either prefer lower tiers, or just haven't gotten higher yet, so the average tier must be 5. The average played tier is 5, so they're doing their best to boost everything to do with 6 to try to turn 6 into the average tier. This mostly means extra ships, but also mission requirements. Mission requirements used to often be "ships of tier 4 and above", recently they're more often "tier 6 and above". ...Or maybe that's just me. 

 

In any case, more non-us premium ships is good and more non-german torpedist-BBs is good.

[Poster_2015]

 

Arizona has tougher armour (better deck I believe) and her guns are more accurate. It will out perform a New Mex in the same situations.

 

Poorer AA and rudder but a lot of torp dodging is forward planning and anticipation.

 

It has more accurate guns, but also less powerful. It uses more or less New York guns (well thats not true, but they have very similiar performance in game), which are simply weaker in terms of penetration or damage. Even the accuracy is sometimes debatable, since Arizona shells are noticeably slower. It definitely isnt as clear cut as people make it to be. 

[1MajorKoenig]

The armoured patrol says Tier 7. So will Mutsu be 6 or 7?

 

Also they talk about stock Amagi becoming ASHITAKA "to be implemented later". Do we know what that means?

 

ASHITAKA really is the one I am hyped about!

[Darth_Glorious]

The armoured patrol says Tier 7. So will Mutsu be 6 or 7?

 

Also they talk about stock Amagi becoming ASHITAKA "to be implemented later". Do we know what that means?

 

ASHITAKA really is the one I am hyped about!

Tier 6. Gamemodel3d shows tier 6 too.

Ashitaka is the one as tier 7, it is planned but it is not ready to test. And they have to make sure that Mutsu is ok as tier 6 first.

[Hateshinaku]

Copy&Pasta from TAP

 

About the Indicator I explained earlier. It's big, and how big it is? Big enough to annoy you during the battle.

 

Mutsu armor is trash, even Nassau can citadel her. Gun is garbage, 1.8 sigma? More like 1.5+1. Terrible AP shell, 9 km and I could not guarantee a citadel hit on an inactive bot New York. 58400 hp will not save you from anything. Useless torpedoes , you use those, you are inviting BBs to citadel you.

[1MajorKoenig]

I mean what do they expect? It is a stock Nagato down tiered. With her pros and cons. But a fascinating ship nevertheless :-)

[Hateshinaku]

Idk. Please keep in mind this is just copy&paste and not my opinion

 

[1MajorKoenig]

Idk. Please keep in mind this is just copy&paste and not my opinion

 

Not even copy and paste. But right now the stock hulls are wasted apart from some history buffs using them (such as I do with my Bayern and Amagi). Giving them a role is something I appreciate! I don't mind spending some € on that as it makes these hulls viable for the game for me. 

[Darth_Glorious]

Copy&Pasta from TAP

 

About the Indicator I explained earlier. It's big, and how big it is? Big enough to annoy you during the battle.

 

Mutsu armor is trash, even Nassau can citadel her. Gun is garbage, 1.8 sigma? More like 1.5+1. Terrible AP shell, 9 km and I could not guarantee a citadel hit on an inactive bot New York. 58400 hp will not save you from anything. Useless torpedoes , you use those, you are inviting BBs to citadel you.

 

Those infos are true. I just want to add a detail : The "Keen intuition" indicator is the same of current torpedo indicator but without the torpedo icon.

 

[1MajorKoenig]

 

Those infos are true. I just want to add a detail : The "Keen intuition" indicator is the same of current torpedo indicator but without the torpedo icon.

 

 

The indicator is a bad idea imo. Don't want it - don't need it.

 

Mutsu however is a nice idea. I don't get it - if an upcoming premium ship performs well or a little better ppl scream P2W. If WG plans a prem for those interested in these ships but mediocre stats ppl are upset and scream about money grab... 

 

Hope WG continues to make use of stock hulls as separately balanced premiums. 

[Takeda92]

 

Hope WG continues to make use of stock hulls as separately balanced premiums. 

I don't mind using stuck hulls as premiums a tier lower, but I hope WG doesn't sell them in expensive bundles because that seems a bit of a lazy move.

 

They should just add it straight to the tech tree. I wonder if WG forgot about buying premiums for doubloons.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I don't mind using stuck hulls as premiums a tier lower, but I hope WG doesn't sell them in expensive bundles because that seems a bit of a lazy move.

 

They should just add it straight to the tech tree. I wonder if WG forgot about buying premiums for doubloons.

 

It'll be available in the tree at some stage.

 

Bearing in mind the current state of affairs with the ill treatment of the EU:

 

If you really must have more Prem ships I'd wait for as long as possible until it enters the tree and at a discount.

 

 

[1MajorKoenig]

Speaking of undertiered sister ships, I wouldn't mind Maya (Takao's sistership with one turret removed for more AA) to be a tier 7 premium cruiser, so I'm fine with them as long as they are different enough.

 

Tone would be awesome! Hope WG figures out a good idea to direct the planes. Would love to use her in her scout cruiser role :-)

 

From the looks my favourite is Mogami with 5x twins - and she is in the game anyway in that configuration.

 

With regards to Mutsu - I looked at the ingame stock model and I kind of like it. Never used it as I upgraded to elite after a couple of matches. Don't own Nagato anymore so Mutsu would be a nice addition to my harbour.

[Takeda92]

 

Tone would be awesome! Hope WG figures out a good idea to direct the planes. Would love to use her in her scout cruiser role :-)

 

From the looks my favourite is Mogami with 5x twins - and she is in the game anyway in that configuration.

 

With regards to Mutsu - I looked at the ingame stock model and I kind of like it. Never used it as I upgraded to elite after a couple of matches. Don't own Nagato anymore so Mutsu would be a nice addition to my harbour.

 

I feel like Tone will forever be the "Sturmtiger" of wows. For those who don't know, WoT had sturmtiger modeled for ages, even dropped as an easter egg in one of the maps, but never made it to the game as playable tank. WG are actually quite poor at delivering new mechanics (the best they could do this year was Radar, which is hydro that works a little bit different and single launched torpedoes), so I don't see Tone coming except when Lesta run out of ships.

 

I would love to see Ooyodo though. She will never fit in any of the tiers but she's the only other ship with 155mm guns.

 

One thing I might add for Mutsu, the camo is very nice. I wish WG would use the dark green and white pattern more for IJN ships. yellowish green just doesn't work much on ships.

[1MajorKoenig]

With regards to Oyodo / Tone - hope you are wrong! Would love to see them either as premiums or as a mini branch split in the IJN cruiser tree. Important for me would be that you can use them as recon cruisers as they were intended :-)

 

For Mutsu - yes the camo looks nice. Don't think it is historical but it looks good. Well, and now that 0.6.0 is approaching my Amagi will loose her actual hull. *panda makes a real sad face*

 

Hope they bring Ashitaka soon - the ship looks just awesome!

[Affeks]

With regards to Oyodo / Tone - hope you are wrong! Would love to see them either as premiums or as a mini branch split in the IJN cruiser tree. Important for me would be that you can use them as recon cruisers as they were intended :-)

 

For Mutsu - yes the camo looks nice. Don't think it is historical but it looks good. Well, and now that 0.6.0 is approaching my Amagi will loose her actual hull. *panda makes a real sad face*

 

Hope they bring Ashitaka soon - the ship looks just awesome!

 

Ohh don't get me to start thinking about those IJN cruisers. Maya, Oyodo, Agano, Tone (and the original Tone CL design with 155mms) or even the B65 are some of my most wanted ships ever since I started playing wows. 

 

All in all i like this idea of stock ships as a tier lower premium, but I'm still really disappointed about not getting that "high tier japanese battleship" that was teased in that Q&A ages ago.

[1MajorKoenig]

 

Ohh don't get me to start thinking about those IJN cruisers. Maya, Oyodo, Agano, Tone (and the original Tone CL design with 155mms) or even the B65 are some of my most wanted ships ever since I started playing wows. 

 

All in all i like this idea of stock ships as a tier lower premium, but I'm still really disappointed about not getting that "high tier japanese battleship" that was teased in that Q&A ages ago.

 

There will be - don't worry. And my strong guess would be even 1st half of 2017 as they said there are plans multiple times. It could be a Tosa class even if WG said they'd have different plans for her (line split?). 

 

Kind of an issue with the IJN BBs is that there isn't really any ship between Nagato and Yamato. So possibly they go for B-65 to test the waters for other super sized cruisers (O-Class, Alaska).

[Takeda92]

Since Hafuri collab is almost confirmed (at least, they are trying to make it happen), then we can have Musashi in the game, probably as the ultimate prize for a very challenging campaign scenario.

[1MajorKoenig]

Since Hafuri collab is almost confirmed (at least, they are trying to make it happen), then we can have Musashi in the game, probably as the ultimate prize for a very challenging campaign scenario.

 

You mean a T10 Premium ship...? No limits?