Shimakaze Long Lances - Nerfed, yet we have to use them in stock.

[Agantas]

When I get enough credits to get my Shimakaze, I'll be playing it with the 20 km Long Lance torps (type 93). The reason for this is the fact that they are the stock option and I have to unlock the other torps by playing. Yet WG has nerfed these torps to discourage their use, while at the same time, retains them as the stock option. I'm afraid that I'll lose credits due to Long Lances missing their target and having no other torp option to use while driving an expensive ship(I refuse to freexp ships, those are for the Missouri). I suggest making the 12 km torps stock, with an option to unlock both long lances and F3 torps as parallel paths.

 

AWG, if you don't want people to use Long Lances and create torpedo soup, then don't force people to use them in the first place. Here's a picture of my suggested change to torp situation:

 

[Comrad_StaIin]

just remove the Longlances from the game already

[JapLance]

Makes a lot of sense.

[NoirLotus]

Yeah in its great wisdom, WG removed the long range torps on all japanese DD save for the one where they are at the same time mandatory and the more toxic for the game ...

 

I really sometimes wonder who is in charge of WG balance department ...

[Verdius]

Still sad that one of the most iconic and powerful weapons of the IJN is completely useless in game.

[Azalgor]

Yeah in its great wisdom, WG removed the long range torps on all japanese DD save for the one where they are at the same time mandatory and the more toxic for the game ...

 

I really sometimes wonder who is in charge of WG balance department ...

 

Good thing i grinded Gearing, wonder how long it will stay in the shadow? With Germans getting hydro, its also points out to other DD becoming quite obsolete, as the close range gun brawls for cap will totaly go in their favor.

And not only do you ask the ones in charge of balance department, you also wonder who are those super testers that agree with every nerf and change, and WG wanted to thank them with Alabama... Guess they are all drinking buddies.

[RoyalColor]

I don't really think it's supertesters behind it. I remember an interview a year or something ago, where devs said, that both invisi firing and invisi torping were harmful for the game, because it annoys inexperienced players and makes them quit, so the general trend was to make it less effective.

[Elenortirion]

waittamoment.....

 

haven't they removed ALL torpes with range above 10km from IJN DDs in the split patch? O.o

 

t8, t9 have lost their 15km torps, and shima was allowed to keep 20km ones?

 

what the actuall......

[NoirLotus]

No it's worse than that .,,

 

Shimakaze must use 20 km torps to grind the other torps ...

[SBS]

What is it about the long lances that you really think should be done to make them better?

 

Is it range? Is it damage? They got the most there. Only problem the 20km ones have is 2.5km detection range. 

 

But in my opinion, just make the 12km stock on shima, I do not think any torp should be longer than that, and don't give me the "it had the longest historical range". Yes it did, at 20knts. Longer range came at expensive of being really slow, and long range torps in WoWs just encourage second line torping and thus more team killing.

 

Just make the 12km ones the stock ones.

[dCK_Ad_Hominem]

Long live the free xp.

[Elenortirion]

No it's worse than that .,,

 

Shimakaze must use 20 km torps to grind the other torps ...

 

here goes "long range torpedoes are encouraging long range spamming" argument.....

 

gg WG, gg >.>

[Takeda92]

I really sometimes wonder who is in charge of WG balance department ...

An idiot.

[Agantas]

Here's on how to execute the revamp for existing Shimakazes.

 

-Elite Shimakazes will remain Elite.

-Shimakazes that have researched only 12 km torps are refunded 30k xp and both Long Lances and Z3 torps will remain unresearched.

-Shimakazes that bought the 12 km torps are refunded 2.5M credits. Long Lance torps are removed from all players and players may purchase them for 2.5M credits if they have researched them.

 

This would remove most 20 km torp soup spammers without actually taking anything away from anyone. Because they would try the new stock option first, since those torps are freely available.

[Zathras_Grimm]

I don't really think it's supertesters behind it. I remember an interview a year or something ago, where devs said, that both invisi firing and invisi torping were harmful for the game, because it annoys inexperienced players and makes them quit, so the general trend was to make it less effective.

 

If that is the case then I appreciate your post. More and more I thought WG were dumping on the IJN DD line.

 

Right Hand = Shiny new gunboats with better guns (come on they couldn't get worse!).

Left Hand = Old stealth DD line (torps nerfed again/HE fire chance nerfed).

WG Spokesperson = Yes, that's right, look at the shiny new DDs with better guns in my right hand Ooooh! Don't look at the crap I'm feeding you with my left hand!

 

 

As a Tier V IJN DD player I have to face Tier V - VII; multiple DDs all better fighters (gunboats), spotters, fighters, cv planes, radar, hydro, nerfing of torpedoes (when most BBs can turn on a dime), captain warnings and of course DDs with hydro to come and KI to come. The MM matches are already either a massive loss where I manage to get a couple of kills as the enemy drive forward in the feeding frenzy, or I can't get a look in as by the time I've made it through or past the above list there is no one left lol.

 

 

I have enjoyed this game but I guess if WG are anti-stealth then I guess that's me folding, then again, as I have only ever bought 2 ships and a captain skill change, I guess I don't meet their 'customer' base.

 

Edit: Doom Doom! - The End is Nigh!

[Elenortirion]

As a Tier V IJN DD player I have to face Tier V - VII; multiple DDs all better fighters (gunboats), spotters, fighters, cv planes, radar, hydro, nerfing of torpedoes (when most BBs can turn on a dime), captain warnings and of course DDs with hydro to come and KI to come. The MM matches are already either a massive loss where I manage to get a couple of kills as the enemy drive forward in the feeding frenzy, or I can't get a look in as by the time I've made it through or past the above list there is no one left lol.

 

to throw more insult to that the T5 is other way around as it should be!

[seriously, mutsuki is basically split line ship, and minekaze still is main line one >.>]

[AgarwaenME]

waittamoment.....

 

haven't they removed ALL torpes with range above 10km from IJN DDs in the split patch? O.o

 

t8, t9 have lost their 15km torps, and shima was allowed to keep 20km ones?

 

what the actuall......

 

Allowed? lol

[Unintentional_submarine]

just remove the Longlances from the game already

 

Pretty much this.

But it is absolutely a [edited]move to force the Shimakaze players to use the 20km torps, when we know they are crap as hell. The worst is that those torps have the highest torpedo rating which is likely keeping a lot of less knowledgeable players playing with them. Remove them (preferably), or at least allow for not being stuck with them for such a long time (or make THEM the 'upgrade').

[lup3s]

What is it about the long lances that you really think should be done to make them better?

 

Is it range? Is it damage? They got the most there. Only problem the 20km ones have is 2.5km detection range. 

 

But in my opinion, just make the 12km stock on shima, I do not think any torp should be longer than that, and don't give me the "it had the longest historical range". Yes it did, at 20knts. Longer range came at expensive of being really slow, and long range torps in WoWs just encourage second line torping and thus more team killing.

 

Just make the 12km ones the stock ones.

 

And it's this that bugs me the most; how can (historically speaking) USN torpedoes be stealthier than the Long Lances?

[SBS]

 

And it's this that bugs me the most; how can (historically speaking) USN torpedoes be stealthier than the Long Lances?

 

No idea. I think the poor concealment of those 20km torps was to counter act major torp walls that used to be at tier 10 and basicly give people a chance to at least try to evade.

Ofcourse with the major rebalances, new consumables like radar and hydro on some BB, you can argue if that is still valid.

 

But they really just should get rid of the 20km, they serve no purpose. Even with 10km torps I prefer to get around 7km to launch to make sure the target has less time to evade.

Can't imagine ever wanting to fire at 20km 

[Mayv]

 

And it's this that bugs me the most; how can (historically speaking) USN torpedoes be stealthier than the Long Lances?

 

Well late war USN torpedoes, Mk 16 and Mk 17, ran on navol, which is concentrated hydrogen-peroxide and would leave less of a wake compared to the Type 93s.

[lup3s]

 

Well late war USN torpedoes, Mk 16 and Mk 17, ran on navol, which is concentrated hydrogen-peroxide and would leave less of a wake compared to the Type 93s.

 

I stand corrected.

But still, the Long Lances shouldn't have this insane detectability range.

[Agantas]

 

And it's this that bugs me the most; how can (historically speaking) USN torpedoes be stealthier than the Long Lances?

 

Historically speaking, Long Lances were the stealthiest. They used compressed oxygen as fuel component instead of compressed air, which led to a less visible exhaust gas trail. Bad stealth of Long Lances has nothing to do with history, it is all about game balance.

[Agantas]

 

Well late war USN torpedoes, Mk 16 and Mk 17, ran on navol, which is concentrated hydrogen-peroxide and would leave less of a wake compared to the Type 93s.

 

Interesting. I didn't know about those. In WoWS, Benson's Mark 15 is stealthier than them, though. That's game balance over historical accuracy for you.

[Hedgehog1963]

Suggest you do what I did and earn the Xp to unlock the  better torpedoes.

 

I now have the F3 torpodoez.  76kt.