What is it with the US cruisers hate?

[Tyskland169]

I like to brawl in the game, it brings more action in the game. I started to play usb bb line and got tired of the carriers, then i swiched to the US cruisers. They were better than i tought. It got a frustrating when i swiched to the pensacola, i tried and tried and learned the lesson about angeling. When i pretty much mastered the ship i found the cruisers to be more fun to play, specially brawling other cruisers. Im currently on Baltimore with 55k avg dmg. It is quite strong when it is used correctly. I always get underestimated while im in baltimore against tier 10 cruisers, ex DM. I cannot wait to get the Des Moines. I nother point worth mentioning is ther rudder shitft, aa defence and radar. Des Moines doesnt need torp since the insane ROF.

[ColonelPete]

What hate? Too much mulled whine before christmas?

[El2aZeR]

Really, what hate? I always thought the general consensus among most players is that US cruisers are too weak currently (to which I agree to some extend).

[txtspeak]

Baltimore is great, the pensacola is marred by terrible detection and difficulty transitioning from 152s to 203s. the New orleans is just straight up garbage and now I fully understand why HIJMS Tenryuu was able to sink one so easily despite how much older she being.

the baltimore is competitive thanks to its radar (which the NO also has but thanks to a few things it can't be used as effectively) it's MUCH longer range (which with spotted plane goes up to 22km.) and its MUCH needed hitpoint boost.

the des moines I don't have yet, but I've played it on the public test and it is a MONSTER of goliath proportians.

[eliastion]

It's not "US cruiser hate" - they are simply considered slightly sub-par by most. That being said, a decent player in a ship that suits his temperament (so that he can adjust gamestyle without straining himself) can do well even if "sub-par" ships. And there's not guarantee that an objectively great ship would be great for everyone.

If you enjoy US cruisers - good for you. Keep having fun with them, that's what the game is about (well, other than spending money to fill WGs pockets, but that's WG's, not players' priority ).

[Smeggo]

Play whatever floats your boat - I sold Des Moines and stick to Hindenburg, as I have more fun in her.  

[Tyskland169]

 

It's not "US cruiser hate" - they are simply considered slightly sub-par by most. That being said, a decent player in a ship that suits his temperament (so that he can adjust gamestyle without straining himself) can do well even if "sub-par" ships. And there's not guarantee that an objectively great ship would be great for everyone.

If you enjoy US cruisers - good for you. Keep having fun with them, that's what the game is about (well, other than spending money to fill WGs pockets, but that's WG's, not players' priority ).

 

Really, what hate? I always thought the general consensus among most players is that US cruisers are too weak currently (to which I agree to some extend).

The "hate" what people are talking about is that US cruisers are garbage at higher tier, people swich always swich cruiser line, like the ijn cruisers. I think they did a mistake. I dissagree with the other players complaining on the shell arcs, learn to aim.

[ColonelPete]

Learn to choose your words when you want to be taken seriously.

[thepuma2012]

i hate all us ships, can t play them well.  struggling very hard with new mexico right now.  slow reload, slow turrettraverse and slow speed and low range make me die fast and not able to make much damage

[JapLance]

specially brawling other cruisers

 

This is the problem. In this game cruisers can only run away from Battleships and shoot from +15Km. No chances of a good brawl unless at the end of the game and all BBs are sunk.

[Horin728]

I know that this is a Hindenburg screenshot but the same applies to the DM 

This is the problem - there are no cruisers to speak of in top tier...

[cro_pwr]

They are one trick pony.
They are good at brawling other cruisers and thats that. Even with radar, New Orleans / Balti don't fare that well when hunting DDs because of slow reload / bad shell arcs.

Long range fights, every other cruiser will win 1v1 vs you. Heck, at longer ranges, even battleships can dodge your shells because they are so slow...
Couple that with:
Pensacolas retarded detection and being able to eat citadel as soon as BB turns his guns to her

New Orleans wrongly made armor (IIRC its fixed now) but was being able to get citadeled from bow on too easily, and citadeled from any other angle

 

and few more things, and you will see while the general idea is that rest of cruisers are better. (And just to clarify, Des Moines is my most played ship, and I still cannot recommend people to grind USN cruiser line. At least not as their first line)

[SerPurr]

It's not "US cruiser hate" - they are simply considered slightly sub-par by most. 

 

Yeah, just 'slightly'. Erie, Chester, Phoenix, Pensacola, Indianapolis,  Atlanta, New Orleans, Baltimore, Des Moines, all at the bottom when it comes to average damage. Most still at the bottom when you take other stats into consideration.

Djeez, if statistics weren't so complicated, I'd almost see a pattern here but hey, I'm sure we'll see 20 or so people jump onto the barricades now and explain why this doesn't mean anything.

 

[Deckeru_Maiku]

Play whatever floats your sinks the enemy's boat - I sold Des Moines and stick to Hindenburg, as I have more fun in her.  

 

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[El2aZeR]

US cruisers are garbage at higher tier

 

Well, they're not garbage but they occupy niches that are either rarely needed (AA) or difficult to play (brawling). That and some are straight up weaker than their counterparts. With cruisers struggling in general it isn't surprising that some people believe US cruisers are garbage.

 

Also only DM & Balti have amazing AA. Pensa's AA is straight up horrendous, NO's is only workable as self-defense. With Balti getting superseded by the Donskoi as well, most US cruisers aren't even the best AA escorts around, making them lose one of their supposed strengths.

[Hesp]

 

Only cruises?

The BB line ends in the NC and the CA line if I had known before would have finished in Cleveland. Unfortunately I got to Baltimore via the insufferable Pensacola and New Orleans. Although I do not plan to buy Baltimore until DPM gets better. The same goes for the Montana that has become obsolete, although you will always find in the wonderful world of the Internet, even people who love Justin Bieber.

 

However the DM is a great ship, not good enough to suffer the Baltimore, IMO.

 

We still have the American DDs that are very good. For a short time until the new German DDs arrive. kappa.

 

 

 

[Horin728]

Well on Okinawa if you can get into defendable position you can have great games with DM, lobbing shells and scaring everything off without being seen. But only as long as you're invisible.

[tenacious_torps]

Wouldn't call it hate, but there isn't really any ship in the line good enough after the Pensacola, that makes living through that traumatic experience an appetizing option for most. 

[warspite666]

Definitely not "hate" but I do think there is a perception of high tier american cruisers being sub par and inferior to the other high tier cruisers in the game, especially with the dawn of the minotaur. They have very niche game play (aa/brawl) as stated previously in the post and do require more adept play to get the best from them.

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

never hated them , but only some problem in pepsi and no for lack of armor

 

[S4h3L]

Baltimore is great, the pensacola is marred by terrible detection and difficulty transitioning from 152s to 203s. the New orleans is just straight up garbage and now I fully understand why HIJMS Tenryuu was able to sink one so easily despite how much older she being.

the baltimore is competitive thanks to its radar (which the NO also has but thanks to a few things it can't be used as effectively) it's MUCH longer range (which with spotted plane goes up to 22km.) and its MUCH needed hitpoint boost.

the des moines I don't have yet, but I've played it on the public test and it is a MONSTER of goliath proportians.

 

I disagree

NOrleans are OK T8 nonpremium cruiser, her strengts are good concealment, great agility and radar, when used right she can survive Yamato even manage to sink him or make him run

Baltimore is also OK but not good, he has great frontal armor, AA and good conelament but he lacks firepower and his accuracy for T9 cruiser standards isnt ideal and yea that slow falling AP rounds

 

[Panocek]

Baltimore is great, the pensacola is marred by terrible detection and difficulty transitioning from 152s to 203s. the New orleans is just straight up garbage and now I fully understand why HIJMS Tenryuu was able to sink one so easily despite how much older she being.

the baltimore is competitive thanks to its radar (which the NO also has but thanks to a few things it can't be used as effectively) it's MUCH longer range (which with spotted plane goes up to 22km.) and its MUCH needed hitpoint boost.

the des moines I don't have yet, but I've played it on the public test and it is a MONSTER of goliath proportians.

 

Des Moines can be stronk, if you find island to hug and lob shells over. In more open maps... You will have hard time.

[T_H_0_R]

Baltimore is great, the pensacola is marred by terrible detection and difficulty transitioning from 152s to 203s. the New orleans is just straight up garbage and now I fully understand why HIJMS Tenryuu was able to sink one so easily despite how much older she being.

the baltimore is competitive thanks to its radar (which the NO also has but thanks to a few things it can't be used as effectively) it's MUCH longer range (which with spotted plane goes up to 22km.) and its MUCH needed hitpoint boost.

the des moines I don't have yet, but I've played it on the public test and it is a MONSTER of goliath proportians.

 

Even though I played it as my first CA line, I wouldn't recommend it to a novice players. 22km on Baltimore - good luck hitting anything with that. And why would one trade your main asset, radar for a spotter plane?

 

Pensacola is tough due to mentioned reasons, NO due to low HP poll and MM it gets. However, I did keep NO in my port and took it out recently. With the so called "dodge build" she is helluva fun and the troll ship to bait out BB salvos they will waste on you. Armor has been buffed and while the name of the game is still not to get hit, I've seen VC381 bounce a full 16" salvo from Nagato when properly angled sub 10km (he did die later on by showing perfect broadside though ).

 

Point being - damage done isn't everything. But damage done to certain ships is. From NO, Balmer and up to Des this CA line excells when up front supporting your DDs and getting their hands dirty. This is exciting gameplay, higher skill level and not for everyone. Hence the hate IMHO.

 

You can't snipe from afar in Des like you can do with Hindi and Zao. Knowing how and when to get close in camping and BB heavy meta is anything but easy.

[Cosseria]

US CA historically were among the toughest, being able to survive massive battle damage (check the NO after the Battle of Tassafaronga), and this is nowhere to be seen in game. A survivability buff may revive the interest for the upper part of the line, but I can already hear the devs saying "Data shows the US CA aren't underperforming, so the buff is not justified".

[CLyDeThaMonKeY]

The only US ship I hated out of all of the USN classes is the New Orleans. I actually find f.ex the Pepsi as a good ship if played right. And Baltimore is kinda meh but Ive made it work for me with decent average damage and XP. 

Around 40-50k XP away from DesMoneys