Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #1 Posted December 19, 2016 Anyone else noticed the influx of many many very very bad players in the past days ? My win rate dropped from 55% to 47% in the past 100 battles, even thou my avarage dmg went up by 20k. No matter how hard you try, no matter what you do, the team always finds a way to lose it. I have the feeling that i always end up with at least 2-3 bots on the team, that simply do nothing and afk the entire round, just sail against the map border or straight into cap to get annihilated, leaving the team with no chance to win. Just today i scored a nearly 300k dmg dmg game in Yamato, taking two flags and defening them against overwhelming odds. Team lost it becasue a division of 3 T10 CA's (a Des Moines, Minotaur and Moscva) spent 12 minutes of the game going around the far side of the map, chasing down a North Carolina that, to my utter suprise, managed to kill 2 of them and still sail away into voctory with 30k hp. After calling them out and asking wtf they are doing there, i just got a response like "stfu noob go play tetris and barbie online" and found myself chatbanned yet again instantly after before i could even replay anything. Game ended with an utter loss, and me having 3 times the XP of the next in the team ... I dont know if its the holiday season that draws out a lot of casual players who usually dont have that much time to play, but the influx if really really reeeaaaally bad players lately is very noticable. I surely cant be the only one who noticed that .. *heart rate slows down, rant over* 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,556 posts 1,924 battles Report post #2 Posted December 19, 2016 It might have something to with us just having had a weekend and as allways most bad players play in weekends. Could also have something to do with the holiday coming up (many school start cloosing for it now) so might see an influx in people who normally do not play alot (and thus never get good or care much). In general, it seems that bad people allways come out the times when some holiday, weekend or what ever is over us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #3 Posted December 19, 2016 So the new players all started, made it to the tiers you were playing and always ended up on your team? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #4 Posted December 19, 2016 So the new players all started, made it to the tiers you were playing and always ended up on your team? Well something must be going on, i really fail to see the problem on my side .. As i said it started about 10 days ago and goes to crap since then .. Battles 10 123 354 1,139 3,132 Win Rate 30.00% -0.082% 47.15% -0.342% 55.08% -0.056% 56.28% +0.431% 55.52% Average Damage 90,124 +125 76,807 +1,045 71,959 +2,639 66,375 +8,645 51,248 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Great_SCH Players 374 posts 3,672 battles Report post #5 Posted December 19, 2016 My observations are that many people (including WG, warships.today, wows-numbers, almost everyone) put too much importance to kills. So if let's say there is a lone BB running away from 4 enemies, thos 4 guys will chase and chase and chase that 1 (one!) over many minutes to get the kill, while they could do more useful things, like killing DD's, defending caps, or even stopping an enemy force from flanking. People could do more damage by switching enemies after setting one on fire for ex. could potentially help the team more than getting that 1 kill and dealing 20k dmg in a battle and still not helping the team enough. Unicums can do both killing and helping the teams at all times, but even they cannot carry a team who is not focused on the most important objectives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OWO] CruleD Players 259 posts 12,325 battles Report post #6 Posted December 19, 2016 My observations are that many people put too much importance to kills. S Of course we do when there are 11 days left and I need 8 [edited]Russian kills. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The_Great_SCH Players 374 posts 3,672 battles Report post #7 Posted December 19, 2016 Of course we do when there are 11 days left and I need 8 [edited]Russian kills. My point exactly. WG decided that the most f*cked gameplay should be promoted to get the mission done. These missions would be more effective if it would be BASE XP. Let people work for these missions by trying to win and be useful. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,556 posts 1,924 battles Report post #8 Posted December 19, 2016 Of course we do when there are 11 days left and I need 8 [edited]Russian kills. That only goes for russian kills, not the others, also does not excuse it as people still do it when there are no kill events/missions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #9 Posted December 19, 2016 Since the topic is still hot I have a question - Is the campaign(all those missions and honorable missions) time limited? I don't have much time to play lately so I was thinking to just leave it for latter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #10 Posted December 19, 2016 Since the topic is still hot I have a question - Is the campaign(all those missions and honorable missions) time limited? I don't have much time to play lately so I was thinking to just leave it for latter. +1 for this also not sure how others but lately get afk each game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #11 Posted December 19, 2016 Noticed similar turn of average team play/player quality toward total crap that 10 days-two weeks ago. Soon followed by high increase in numbers of AFKs/bots. It might have something to with us just having had a weekend and as allways most bad players play in weekends. Lots of team saboteurs also during weekdays nowadays. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HOME] RobS80 [HOME] Weekend Tester 969 posts 10,786 battles Report post #12 Posted December 19, 2016 Interesting you mention a near instant chat ban. First game I have played for a while on Saturday. 2-3 minutes into the game. Notice entire team including BBs and DD's and CA's all going towards the centre channel on Two brothers map. Asked reasonably politely why they were all going there. Got nothing back. Asked again to find I was chat banned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SBS Alpha Tester, In AlfaTesters 2,556 posts 1,924 battles Report post #13 Posted December 19, 2016 Since the topic is still hot I have a question - Is the campaign(all those missions and honorable missions) time limited? I don't have much time to play lately so I was thinking to just leave it for latter. I do not believe they are, as nothing have been stated so. Also, if you look at the campaign missions in WoT, they are still there, even more than a year after they were introduced. So if they do somewhat like in WoT, then I doubt there is a time limit. And if there is, it is probably several months. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #14 Posted December 19, 2016 Interesting you mention a near instant chat ban. First game I have played for a while on Saturday. 2-3 minutes into the game. Notice entire team including BBs and DD's and CA's all going towards the centre channel on Two brothers map. Asked reasonably politely why they were all going there. Got nothing back. Asked again to find I was chat banned. That is another thing. I got the feeling that you get insta-chatbanned every time you write anything in chat at all. As for now im playing this game for more time with chatban than for without. No idea, but it seems like people really found out that you jsut gotta spam those chat reports and people will go silent. Its massively abused imo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #15 Posted December 19, 2016 Since the topic is still hot I have a question - Is the campaign(all those missions and honorable missions) time limited? I don't have much time to play lately so I was thinking to just leave it for latter. There is no time limit for the current campaigns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FIFO] ilhilh [FIFO] Beta Tester 2,451 posts 7,514 battles Report post #16 Posted December 19, 2016 Well something must be going on, i really fail to see the problem on my side .. As i said it started about 10 days ago and goes to crap since then .. Battles 10 123 354 1,139 3,132 Win Rate 30.00% -0.082% 47.15% -0.342% 55.08% -0.056% 56.28% +0.431% 55.52% Average Damage 90,124 +125 76,807 +1,045 71,959 +2,639 66,375 +8,645 51,248 You should have put the ave tier on since for 33 days it says 8.2, for 10 it says 8.3 and the last 3 days it says 9.5. You are not getting swarmed by new players at those tiers. And that still doesn't change the fact that a new player influx shouldn't necessarily equal more losses as there is no control on the teams. As for the increase in ave damage... that is easy to achieve with ship and tier choice and I have already mentioned your high tier ship play in recent days - it does not necessarily equate to a increase in the amount of help you are providing to the team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceyJones Beta Tester 1,286 posts Report post #17 Posted December 19, 2016 i state since months, that the player-quality is dropping constantly. its because WG promotes bad play instead punishing it. its because WG does not TEACH players how to play well by forced tutorials or qualification tests when entering a higher tier. its because players can buy or die their way through tiers its unstoppable and you can only counter this with division play. 1 cannot carry 11 idiots. but 3 might be able to carry 9 idiots. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,893 battles Report post #18 Posted December 19, 2016 I've experienced a disturbing increase in teamkillers & high tiers potatoes. I literally saw a Yamato sailing backwards from our spawn because "uh muh 27km firing range". He even had a spotter plane if I'm not mistaken Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IceyJones Beta Tester 1,286 posts Report post #19 Posted December 19, 2016 I've experienced a disturbing increase in teamkillers & high tiers potatoes. I literally saw a Yamato sailing backwards from our spawn because "uh muh 27km firing range". He even had a spotter plane if I'm not mistaken the number of such potatoes increases every day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #20 Posted December 19, 2016 You should have put the ave tier on since for 33 days it says 8.2, for 10 it says 8.3 and the last 3 days it says 9.5. You are not getting swarmed by new players at those tiers. And that still doesn't change the fact that a new player influx shouldn't necessarily equal more losses as there is no control on the teams. As for the increase in ave damage... that is easy to achieve with ship and tier choice and I have already mentioned your high tier ship play in recent days - it does not necessarily equate to a increase in the amount of help you are providing to the team. Didnt ment completely new players per se, but a lot of people who are unexperienced and dont play much suddenly have a lot of time to crapover games. Or, there is a new botting script out that a ton of people started using. Last chance is that the missions that are currently running promote utter douchebag gameplay for some people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #21 Posted December 19, 2016 Experience accounts for eff all if you don't learn from it. There's your high tier problem right there. Weekend means a lot more players around who take the game as an opportunity to take a break from being forced to exercise their computational abilities, aka jobs, where being thicker than a deck plank is getting you into trouble. Learning is therefor bad and not fun. Fun is when being dumb has no real consequences. Boy, this is going to be one long weekend ahead of us. It's pretty bad, when even I feel like an unicum suddenly in most matches. As for the chat bans: how do you achieve that? I [edited]and moan all the time, I turn on the inner drill instructor and berate and coerce my teams into at least trying all the way through from the moment I died an early death trying to carry harder than my actual abilties, which frees my hands up for typing. No chat bans yet. Seriously, what am I doing wrong? Must be relaxing. Side-note: I don't seem to get those popups neither. I can see my karma going up and down, when I bother to check, but never any notifications. Is there some setting I managed to overlook? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #22 Posted December 19, 2016 Experience accounts for eff all if you don't learn from it. There's your high tier problem right there. Weekend means a lot more players around who take the game as an opportunity to take a break from being forced to exercise their computational abilities, aka jobs, where being thicker than a deck plank is getting you into trouble. Learning is therefor bad and not fun. Fun is when being dumb has no real consequences. Boy, this is going to be one long weekend ahead of us. It's pretty bad, when even I feel like an unicum suddenly in most matches. As for the chat bans: how do you achieve that? I [edited]and moan all the time, I turn on the inner drill instructor and berate and coerce my teams into at least trying all the way through from the moment I died an early death trying to carry harder than my actual abilties, which frees my hands up for typing. No chat bans yet. Seriously, what am I doing wrong? Must be relaxing. Side-note: I don't seem to get those popups neither. I can see my karma going up and down, when I bother to check, but never any notifications. Is there some setting I managed to overlook? No idea to be honest. Sometimes i come back from a chatban day, dont even write anything in chat becasue i havent noticed that the ban is over, jsut to find myself banned a couple of rounds later agian. Already had rounds where it was basically enough that i wrote in chat "AB please", someone replied "stfu noob" and i was chatbanned. He probably spammed all his reports at me .. Its getting abused badly, crippling players to actually interact with the team. Every time im chatbanned i stop playing, becasue i can neither division with people since you cant chat there anymore and if you get into games where you see everyone lemminging one flag or camping behind hills and you cant even tell them to try to attack with you or anything its just immensly frustrating. Just like now, wanted to finish my daily double in Moskva (which is impossible as i lost the last 10 games with it), i tried to help our DD's by radaring a cap but couldnt communicate with them, our dd ran away, i couldnt kill the two enemy shimas all by myself and got killed. Team lost again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOOKS] krautjaeger Modder, Beta Tester 1,514 posts 3,350 battles Report post #23 Posted December 19, 2016 Been talked about in a few posts already, but it started around December 1st and just got worse. Some play is downright bot behaviour, and I've been using observer cam when ganked to check these individuals out. Often you see turrets swirling different directions while not even firing and the ship is at a standstill. If someone fire on it, or some times even if it is just targeted, the ship will start to move and shoot rather randomly. Some ships travels backwards almost exclusively, firing with only one set of batteries depending on if the target is behind or in front. That's the bot-like play, and then there is the possible influx of new player because of Christmas vacation and people who only play when they have time off. December, in general, is the worst time in most MMOs just like summer vacation is. If I see bot-like behaviour I report it, and I always run out of reports every day on that thing alone in December. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LEGIO] LadyJess Players 154 posts Report post #24 Posted December 19, 2016 Yes everyone appears to be focused on the ship kills ( by type ). Must be for the Nachi mission so game win is not important anymore. This is the fault of WG EU staff alone. Have given up on the ARP Takao mission due to this screw up by WG staff. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[THESO] Mandyxx Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 561 posts 29,499 battles Report post #25 Posted December 19, 2016 Strange, i noticed (on forum especially, at decent/good players with stats at signature) that in last 1 maybe 2 weeks the results are red or yellow. Players with blue or purple results now are yellow or red (on daily results). Me for example, a am red in last few days. I will never play with fever, that's for sure! But even in division with good players, we lost. Dunno if rng fight hard against us but i saw too many good players with bad stats for one or two days... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites