[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #1 Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) ARP Takao's is being shown as Atago's in battle when you do not use the ARP port, and then you have no clue it is a fake Atago until you see the battle results, it is that that annoys me, as i hate the ARP port, and i feel the Atago is to special to be used to cover for the ARP Takao when the Takao should be called the Takao in its own right as it was the lead ship in the class. It is that that is making the Atago feel even more mainstream as the Takao's is shown as Atago's. Thread got derailed and starts on 2nd page. - - - - - - - - - - Never thought i would have to say this, but as i really like my Atago and it is just frustrating seeing the ARP Takao being named as an Atago in games when it isn't, it just makes the Atago feel mainstream and cheap, and it is a fairly expensive premium ship. So as an Atago owner i'm upset having to see all of the ARP Takao's being called Atago making them fake Atago's, and it just makes me feel sad having to see players who didn't buy it sail around in an exact copy, and WG made it so easy to get that everybody got it. EDIT - this not about upgrades was just an idea. So i was wondering if WG actually should add some special things to the Atago to make it feel premium again instead of being mainstream, i'm thinking better AA guns or put the Ibuki's 100mm secondaries guns on the Atago as that would also buff the long range AA, or you could add some of the Chi Bofors to the Atago or make dual or triple 25mm mounts as it only have 28x1 25mm AA guns. Another more unlikely option would be to buff the RoF from 16 to 15 sec reloads or add range, but i think AA would be more useful imo. But bottom line a costly premium ship like the Atago should feel premium and the camo isn't enough as there is so many Takao's sailing around being displayed as Atago's when the Yokusa port is not used... Remember people paid alot for their Atago's, so are you okay with WG having made the Atago feel so cheap and mainstream and call Takao's for Atago's? I know i'm annoyed each time i see a fake Atago in a battle so i figured other Atago owners would be to unless they use the ARP port and the ship is called Takao and not Atago. Edited December 19, 2016 by Cpt_BrownBear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,155 battles Report post #2 Posted December 18, 2016 Nope. Premium is still premium. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #3 Posted December 18, 2016 Lets just make something clear. Are you seriously asking for a buff on a one of the best cruisers in game and probably the strongest tier per tier cruiser there is? Yup, that would make an OP ship feel not so cheap, so I get you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #4 Posted December 18, 2016 Lol.... Takao is fine, and yes I have one... as well as an Atago I bought on the day it was released. Why would you be so salty, you haven't lost anything from your purchase. And LMAO with 'changes' which to me all read as 'I want WG to BUFF my Atago now others have a Takao, it's not fair they have almost the same ship as me and I paid for it QQ QQ QQ". 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #5 Posted December 18, 2016 There are still plenty of advantages Atago has over ARP Takao, so quit your whining. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devantejah Alpha Tester 1,049 posts 2,356 battles Report post #6 Posted December 18, 2016 Since when wasn't Atago mainstream? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #7 Posted December 18, 2016 Nope. Premium is still premium. Indeed it is, but premium ships should also feel premium and exclusive, shouldn't they ?! Lets just make something clear. Are you seriously asking for a buff on a one of the best cruisers in game and probably the strongest tier per tier cruiser there is? Yup, that would make an OP ship feel not so cheap, so I get you. Atago isn't op at all, slowest 200mm reload, and terrible AA guns, Atago only gets 28x1 25mm while Myoko - Ibuki gets dual and triple 25mm mounts. Which is why CV's walk all over the Atago's. Lol.... Takao is fine, and yes I have one... as well as an Atago I bought on the day it was released. Why would you be so salty, you haven't lost anything from your purchase. And LMAO with 'changes' which to me all read as 'I want WG to BUFF my Atago now others have a Takao, it's not fair they have almost the same ship as me and I paid for it QQ QQ QQ". Oh sure you have, but do you also remember how much you paid for it then? imo. no ships should be identical like the Atago and Takao is, it is only the premium camo that differs from them, and Takao's sail under the Atago name in game when the ARP junk is turned off, WG should atleast call it Takao. There are still plenty of advantages Atago has over ARP Takao, so quit your whining. Besides the premium factor, what differences is there between them, oh yea that's right, nothing - they have the same models. So to sum it up my only problem with Takao is that is uses the Atago name in battles when ARP is turned off, and hate the ARP port and the crazy ship styling, i'm also okay with Takao using the same model as it was the lead ship in the class, but it should never use the Atago name as that is what makes the Atago, a already common ship feel way more mainstream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #8 Posted December 18, 2016 Since when wasn't Atago mainstream? Exactly, and Takao sailing under the Atago name when ARP is turned off only makes it even more mainstream. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #9 Posted December 18, 2016 WG should atleast call it Takao. So... we can forget about all those buffs you asked for in opening post? Well ok then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Kancolle_Kongou Supertester, Sailing Hamster 421 posts 9,908 battles Report post #10 Posted December 18, 2016 Never thought i would have to say this, but as i really like my Atago and it is just frustrating seeing the ARP Takao being named as an Atago in games when it isn't, it just makes the Atago feel mainstream and cheap, and it is a fairly expensive premium ship. So as an Atago owner i'm upset having to see all of the ARP Takao's aka Atago copy's, Its named Atago for people without the port becasue some people dont want to see ARP ships. if your frustrated with it named Atago then there is no way of making you happy other then switching port. YOU get premium income when playing (more credits,exp,free exp,) and takao does not get that. she gets the standard rewards like if you hade an elite ship. So i dont see why you should get extra AA,range, AA that the Japs never hade, Takao isn't a Atago copy. Atago is a takao copy. the placements of AA and some small stuff make it a takao with Atagos name. (just like kongou is a hiei, but with kongou's name) i know this is of the point your trying to make... just wanted to say it. Atago isn't op at all, slowest 200mm reload, and terrible AA guns, ...... The Japs AA is always bad and can always be outmatched. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #11 Posted December 18, 2016 While the Atago had more than twice as much of those 25mm peashooters, it would make her completly overpowered indeed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #12 Posted December 18, 2016 Atago isn't op at all, slowest 200mm reload, and terrible AA guns, Atago only gets 28x1 25mm while Myoko - Ibuki gets dual and triple 25mm mounts. Which is why CV's walk all over the Atago's. HUGE alpha damage for a cruiser, quite tanky, starts more fires then a flamethrower, has broken 9.1 km concealment, great torps, can stealth torp (its a cruiser btw), and the only cruiser bar the RN on t8 that has heal. But yea, lets ignore all of that and say she has bad AA. That 1 CV that targets you every 30 games really makes it balanced. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #13 Posted December 18, 2016 [...] Atago isn't op at all, slowest 200mm reload, and terrible AA guns, Atago only gets 28x1 25mm while Myoko - Ibuki gets dual and triple 25mm mounts. Which is why CV's walk all over the Atago's. [...] Isn't it? It feels that to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #14 Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) While the Atago had more than twice as much of those 25mm peashooters, it would make her completly overpowered indeed... Indeed, the Atago IRL had 60x 25mm AA guns split into 4x3, 8x2 and 32x1 mounts, and ingame the Atago only has 28x 25mm AA guns. And adding those wouldn't make her OP as the range of them is so poor. And just for the lolz some stats for the 25mm AA guns on IJN cruisers. Atago = 28x 25mm = 50 DPS - IRL should be around 118 DPS Myoko = 54x 25mm = 111 DPS Mogami = 42x 25mm = 87 DPS Ibuki = 64x 25mm = 123 DPS So suddenly the Atago isn't the OP ship anymore, it is the Myoko - - And ofcause the Atago is a ship so very good no doubting that. Edited December 18, 2016 by Cpt_BrownBear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #15 Posted December 18, 2016 Indeed, the Atago IRL had 60x 25mm AA guns split into 4x3, 8x2 and 32x1 mounts, and ingame the Atago only has 28x 25mm AA guns. And adding those wouldn't make her OP as the range of them is so poor. And just for the lolz some stats for the 25mm AA guns on IJN cruisers. Atago = 28x 25mm = 50 DPS - IRL should be around 118 DPS Myoko = 54x 25mm = 111 DPS Mogami = 42x 25mm = 87 DPS Ibuki = 64x 25mm = 123 DPS So suddenly the Atago isn't the OP ship anymore, it is the Myoko FeelsBadMan 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #16 Posted December 18, 2016 Atago = 28x 25mm = 50 DPS - IRL should be around 118 DPS You're right about the models and stuff and if you just said: "change the name" then meh ok I wouldn't have objected but .... Don't you think it's kinda silly to say IRL in conjunction with DPS in this game Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #17 Posted December 18, 2016 Indeed it is, but premium ships should also feel premium and exclusive, shouldn't they ?! No. Those aren't Faberge eggs, don't be butthurt because someone have somehing similar like you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #18 Posted December 18, 2016 As Long as you cant use a Ibuki captain on Takao i dont see the Point of Atago being cheap. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #19 Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) As Long as you cant use a Ibuki captain on Takao i dont see the Point of Atago being cheap. Wasn't exactly that i meant, i meant it as ARP Takao's being shown as Atago's in battle when do not use the ARP port and you have no clue it is a fake Atago until you see the battle results, it is that that annoys me, as i hate the ARP port, and i feel the Atago is to special to be used to cover for the ARP Takao when the Takao should be called the Takao in its own right as it was the lead ship in the class. Edited December 18, 2016 by Cpt_BrownBear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BLOBS] Spellfire40 Beta Tester 5,330 posts 13,776 battles Report post #20 Posted December 18, 2016 Takao has no camo when you dont select the port. Well If you see a Atago without camo ist either a Takao or a Atago after a patch were WG decided to disable autoresuply agan and again and again... Either way as a Combat unit they pretty comparable as a Crewtainer/Creditmaker? Not so much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #21 Posted December 18, 2016 Besides the premium factor, what differences is there between them, oh yea that's right, nothing - they have the same models. Premium benefits are highly substantial. Not sure what you're complaining about. Cpt_BrownBear, on 18 December 2016 - 07:18 PM, said: that is what makes the Atago, a already common ship feel way more mainstream. THAT'S what you're bothered by?! Jesus... Let me tell you some bad news then, Atago is mainstream, with ARP or not. She has more battles played than her tech tree counterpart by a staggering 500k battles and tons of people own her. So get off your high horse and stop complaining. Atago = 28x 25mm = 50 DPS - IRL should be around 118 DPS Honestly it should be 1 DPS per gun. The 25mm AA gun was hilariously ineffective (like all IJN AA guns, really). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2OP] Beardroid91 Players 357 posts 13,853 battles Report post #22 Posted December 18, 2016 (edited) THAT'S what you're bothered by?! Nope, read the OP, done trying to explain it, as it gets derailed and misunderstood. But bottom line, when ARP Takao is shown without the ARP port on it is called Atago and that is my problem with it, as Takao was the lead ship of the class it deserves its own name and not overcrowd the already very popular Atago. Get it now ??? Edited December 18, 2016 by Cpt_BrownBear Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #23 Posted December 19, 2016 But bottom line, when ARP Takao is shown without the ARP port on it is called Atago and that is my problem with it THAT'S what you're bothered by?! Jesus... Same reaction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #24 Posted December 19, 2016 OP changed so many things he should make a new thread and hope we will forget about this one... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devantejah Alpha Tester 1,049 posts 2,356 battles Report post #25 Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) TL;DR "I don't like ARP Takao being named Atago while outside Yokosuka so Atago needs a buff." AA dps is not the best measure of how good a ship is. Edited December 19, 2016 by Devantejah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
