Matchmaking and/or players are absolutely terrible lately!

[FaceFisted]

There is absolutely nothing I can do to influence match outcome in tiers 8, 9 and 10. No matter how good I play, how much I try to cap or defend cap, team mates are always somewhere far far behind, camping and / or running away. On the other hand, enemy team usually have aggressive players that are not afraid to fight. This is the reason why I am left almost constantly with results like this one:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either I end up only one alive trying to cap / defend cap / other player or I die first while trying to cap only to notice that team that was behind me all decided to flee and hide.

 

So my win rate had dropped 2.5 total percent points in the last month. It has become impossible to do anything when I am usually the only one playing.

 

So I have tried to motivate team to fight with affirmative messages, trying to help them... putting more smoke on BBs, shooting all threats to DDs. And still nothing. They... run... away... from... fight!

 

/end rant

 

Really, what is the problem? Players? Matchmaking? What?

 

Maybe it's time for me to join a proper clan. This soloing in randoms has become unbearable.

[ilhilh]

They closed your last whine thread thankfully.  No need for another.

[MercFHire]

I assume it's related to Christmas holidays and the kids are scrubing like the scrubs they are in droves.

My advice is to try and get 2 buddies that can handle themselves, you'd be suprised how often having at least 3 decents players can change the outcome of a game.

 

If that doesn't help just stop playing until later in the day when it's beddy time for said kids.

[bushwacker001]

There is absolutely nothing I can do to influence match outcome in tiers 8, 9 and 10. No matter how good I play, how much I try to cap or defend cap, team mates are always somewhere far far behind, camping and / or running away. On the other hand, enemy team usually have aggressive players that are not afraid to fight. This is the reason why I am left almost constantly with results like this one:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either I end up only one alive trying to cap / defend cap / other player or I die first while trying to cap only to notice that team that was behind me all decided to flee and hide.

 

So my win rate had dropped 2.5 total percent points in the last month. It has become impossible to do anything when I am usually the only one playing.

 

So I have tried to motivate team to fight with affirmative messages, trying to help them... putting more smoke on BBs, shooting all threats to DDs. And still nothing. They... run... away... from... fight!

 

/end rant

 

Really, what is the problem? Players? Matchmaking? What?

 

Maybe it's time for me to join a proper clan. This soloing in randoms has become unbearable.

 

Put up a screen shot where you had a really bad game but still won.....swings and roundabouts. 

[MercFHire]

 

Put up a screen shot where you had a really bad game but still won.....swings and roundabouts. 

 

Ugh, hate those.  I would rather lose.

 

Such a waste of the 1st win of the day.

[FaceFisted]

Put up a screen shot where you had a really bad game but still won.....swings and roundabouts. 

 

Unfortunately, it has become a pattern. More and more games are like the one I just posted. 

 

 

If that doesn't help just stop playing until later in the day when it's beddy time for said kids.

 

This is true. Only good games are between 2 and 4 in the morning. :-/

[Fizzy_Odin]

You will be ridiculed as me but it is so on this forum..

 

you say kids is a problem, I would say maybe in fact older players are problem because kids have faster responce than us ( i am 36 y old )  and i found they are more brave than older player who will not cap if they see cruiser 20km away going same direction, they will start turbo boost od DD and run away 36km away from cap  

[bushwacker001]

Holidays and weekends   I have a second account with no gold input just to play those times. It's good for practice and sanity if you don't care too much about it.

[FaceFisted]

And as someone else mentioned - there are a lot of bots in game lately. They don't move, shoot, they don't do anything until the end of the game. It is absolutely frustrating to get less DDs on your side and it turns out they are all bots. :-/

[bushwacker001]

And as someone else mentioned - there are a lot of bots in game lately. They don't move, shoot, they don't do anything until the end of the game. It is absolutely frustrating to get less DDs on your side and it turns out they are all bots. :-/

 

Not noticed this myself

[ColonelPete]

There is absolutely nothing I can do to influence match outcome in tiers 8, 9 and 10. No matter how good I play, how much I try to cap or defend cap, team mates are always somewhere far far behind, camping and / or running away. On the other hand, enemy team usually have aggressive players that are not afraid to fight. This is the reason why I am left almost constantly with results like this one:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Either I end up only one alive trying to cap / defend cap / other player or I die first while trying to cap only to notice that team that was behind me all decided to flee and hide.

 

So my win rate had dropped 2.5 total percent points in the last month. It has become impossible to do anything when I am usually the only one playing.

 

So I have tried to motivate team to fight with affirmative messages, trying to help them... putting more smoke on BBs, shooting all threats to DDs. And still nothing. They... run... away... from... fight!

 

/end rant

 

Really, what is the problem? Players? Matchmaking? What?

 

Maybe it's time for me to join a proper clan. This soloing in randoms has become unbearable.

 

Looks like a ship problem, not a MM problem.

If you are that interested in winning, you should learn to selfreflect and analyze.

 

Your last 30 days:

 

Icon	Name	Tier ▼	Type	Nation	Battles	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	Montana	10	BB	USA	72	45.83%	99,096	1,867	1.4	0.9	5.4	39%	29%	0%	1,230
	Kagero (< 01.12.2016)	9	DD	Japan	6	16.67%	12,175	1,358	1.0	0.7	0.0	33%	35%	1%	539
	Izumo	9	BB	Japan	41	34.15%	62,656	1,392	0.8	0.6	2.0	24%	27%	0%	967
	Yūgumo	9	DD	Japan	47	59.57%	54,375	1,975	2.1	1.2	0.2	43%	43%	8%	1,650
	Fletcher	9	DD	USA	54	57.41%	52,536	1,860	1.6	1.0	1.6	37%	32%	6%	1,365
	Iowa	9	BB	USA	75	64.00%	81,230	1,488	1.7	1.0	4.9	39%	31%	0%	1,404
	New Orleans	8	CA/CL	USA	6	50.00%	32,267	1,127	1.0	0.8	2.2	17%	29%	0%	1,169
	Tashkent	8	DD	USSR	29	51.72%	52,116	1,869	2.4	1.0	0.4	59%	39%	9%	1,675
	ARP Takao	8	CA/CL	Japan	37	70.27%	69,487	2,041	2.3	1.1	1.6	51%	31%	2%	1,698
	Fubuki (< 01.12.2016)	8	DD	Japan	79	67.09%	60,711	1,964	2.2	1.3	0.2	39%	46%	8%	2,016

[FaceFisted]

You will be ridiculed as me but it is so on this forum..

 

you say kids is a problem, I would say maybe in fact older players are problem because kids have faster responce than us ( i am 36 y old )  and i found they are more brave than older player who will not cap if they see cruiser 20km away going same direction, they will start turbo boost od DD and run away 36km away from cap  

 

I remember one older guy from Poland on WOT forums, he is our generation (35-40 years old). In the midst of rage against "Siemkas" he has explained quite nicely what is the problem - game has become popular among the kids in elementary schools. For them it is not about team play, results or fun. Their goal is to have highest possible tier, no matter what, so that they can brag about it in school. Sadly, that time has probably now came to WOWS. Older Polish players also hated what is going on.

 

Maybe this is the life cycle of every game. They are best in alpha and beta stages when they are filled with players who play it properly. When it becomes popular, like now, when system is better then before with mode interesting game modes, vehicles etc, only thing that can ruin it are - players.

[MercFHire]

 

Not noticed this myself

 

I've seen an increase in zero point players at the end of games, maybe 1 in 10 games.  Now that doesn't necessarily mean they are bots, maybe their computer isn't the best or they have a bad connection.

I've also seen some players sailing to the edge of the map in a straight line and eventually disconnecting because their guns return the default position of forward guns pointing forward and rear guns pointing rear.  Also recently lost a match due to a BB sitting in a cap for an extended period of time sailing in circles and then disconnecting.

 

Problem is, there is no way to differentiate the supposed bots from players with bad connections and/or computers or just simply rage quitting because someone in chat is giving them grief. (Not me)

[FaceFisted]

 

Looks like a ship problem, not a MM problem.

If you are that interested in winning, you should learn to selfreflect and analyze.

 

Your last 30 days:

 

Icon	Name	Tier ▼	Type	Nation	Battles	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	Montana	10	BB	USA	72	45.83%	99,096	1,867	1.4	0.9	5.4	39%	29%	0%	1,230

 

Man, learn to read those stats. They reflect everything I am writing about. Average damage is almost 100K per battle in Montana. I like the ship and I know how to play in it, but it comes down to teams and bots I was writing about. I can't do anything if they are all hiding behind me, with even DDs behind me not scouting. Last match one half of the team was on A line, other was on J line, while I was trying to do something near cap.

 

Absolutely the same with Izumo. I go to help team, to cap, they run away and leave me alone to fight against 3-4 ships. DDs are running away to snipe, Cruisers as well, but they are different story and lastly BB players - absolutely disgusting players lately. That campfest is unseen even in WOT.

 

FFS already!

[Fizzy_Odin]

6 vs 6 or 8 vs 8 battle are solution for "higer" tiers - than you could actualy make difference with good playing..

[ColonelPete]

 

Man, learn to read those stats. They reflect everything I am writing about. Average damage is almost 100K per battle in Montana. I like the ship and I know how to play in it, but it comes down to teams and bots I was writing about. I can't do anything if they are all hiding behind me, with even DDs behind me not scouting. Last match one half of the team was on A line, other was on J line, while I was trying to do something near cap.

 

Absolutely the same with Izumo. I go to help team, to cap, they run away and leave me alone to fight against 3-4 ships. DDs are running away to snipe, Cruisers as well, but they are different story and lastly BB players - absolutely disgusting players lately. That campfest is unseen even in WOT.

 

FFS already!

 

If that is an MM problem, why do you have over 60% in other ships?

[bushwacker001]

 

I've seen an increase in zero point players at the end of games, maybe 1 in 10 games.  Now that doesn't necessarily mean they are bots, maybe their computer isn't the best or they have a bad connection.

I've also seen some players sailing to the edge of the map in a straight line and eventually disconnecting because their guns return the default position of forward guns pointing forward and rear guns pointing rear.  Also recently lost a match due to a BB sitting in a cap for an extended period of time sailing in circles and then disconnecting.

 

Problem is, there is no way to differentiate the supposed bots from players with bad connections and/or computers or just simply rage quitting because someone in chat is giving them grief. (Not me)

 

I see the odd afk the whole game player (balances over both teams) and afk's for the first minute or so but not seen a definite bot for ages. Generally for a day or so after a new patch the slow connectors increase but I think you notice this more if it happens to be DD's as they are generally spawned in front and are pretty crucial to the start of the battle.

[FaceFisted]

 

If that is an MM problem, why do you have over 60% in other ships?

 

There is a clear difference between players in lower tiers up to T8 and experienced campers in T8 and above. Higher repair costs produce more campers. This is the reason why most players are not afraid to play properly in lower tiers.

[Ast3lan]

You will be ridiculed as me but it is so on this forum..

 

you say kids is a problem, I would say maybe in fact older players are problem because kids have faster responce than us ( i am 36 y old )  and i found they are more brave than older player who will not cap if they see cruiser 20km away going same direction, they will start turbo boost od DD and run away 36km away from cap  

 

Speak for yourself.... mmmkay? 

[Aschwell]

FaceFisted,

 

If you want you can have a couple of games with us at WGP2W!

I like playing aggressive myself and I have actually stopped playing solo because of what you explain here and agree. Also more fun to div up with 2 more people and work together and have teamplay even if the randoms potato around depending on the MM.

So if you are up for it PM me and let´s have some fun. You don´t have to join the clan and play comptetitive but I think you will like it if you like teamplay

[ColonelPete]

 

There is a clear difference between players in lower tiers up to T8 and experienced campers in T8 and above.

 

You have 64% in an Iowa. There is a reason I pulled only the Tier VIII+ ships.

Look at your kills/battle. They are quite low in Montana and Izumo. You might do a lot of damage, but you do not finish enough ships. Your survival rating seems also a bit low in these ships too.

[FaceFisted]

FaceFisted,

 

 

If you want you can have a couple of games with us at WGP2W!

 

I like playing aggressive myself and I have actually stopped playing solo because of what you explain here and agree. Also more fun to div up with 2 more people and work together and have teamplay even if the randoms potato around depending on the MM.

 

So if you are up for it PM me and let´s have some fun. You don´t have to join the clan and play comptetitive but I think you will like it if you like teamplay

 

Great, send me a friend invite in game. I usually play with chat turned off with mod since I want to limit my outbursts

 

 

You have 64% in an Iowa. There is a reason I pulled only the Tier VIII+ ships.

Look at your kills/battle. They are quite low in Montana and Izumo. You might do a lot of damage, but you do not finish enough ships. Your survival rating seems also a bit low in these ships too.

 

Like I said - it fits the pattern. Besides - If I obliterate some BB from Montana and bring it down to 5% health, I won't waste my shells on it. There are plenty of other ships around that can finish it off and take a kill and they usually do. Those terribad players wait for KS. At that time, I look for other dangerous targets with lots of health.

 

Survival rate is low because I am always left alone to either defend or cap. As I said - I go somewhere with a group and on first sign of trouble they run away and leave me alone. It happens so frequently in T10 games, you wouldn't believe. And BBs can't really maneuver that fast.

 

Iowa was great ship for me. I played with it exactly the same as I play in Montana. What is the difference? More T10 games riddled with campers.

[bushwacker001]

Agreed about playing solo though....recently I had a run of about 2 wins in 25 battles or so and whatever I did it was a loss. It dropped my win rate by over 1%. I have had times where I could hardly lose for days on end as well which is why I said 'swings and roundabouts'.  When I first got the Warspite I went the first 25 battles without a loss even when having an absolute stinker in battle.  

I am in a clan but tend to mostly play solo at the moment as not much time to play at clan optimum times. 

[Gnirf]

To OP:

 

If all players were exceptional you would have had far less chance to influence outcome.

 

Some ships in the table you have better stats in.

 

Have you ever looked at the distribution of win rates from a statistical point of view?

 

Look at how large a percentage of players in a given ship soloplay who has over 60%. It is a very small amount perhaps 2-3 % max. In a 12 player match it is a limit on how much a single player can influence realistically, BBs are probably more restricted than DD/CVs I remember one veteran player wrote in another thread

 

That your stats go up and down is not unusual

 

Like other posts say, MM is not shipsituational, it is a computer programming, which you must know has not programmed if you OP has that ship MM will favour other team but on this ship not.

 

In which football match do you think Ronaldo have the greatest impact?

 

A:Team 1 1 Ronaldo, 10 average players vs 11 average players

B: Team 1 11 Ronaldo vs 11 Ronaldo

 

So assume your chances to influence the battle will increase if the general standard of players go down, but there will be more ups and downs, if you would meet your own level all the time it will be 50% by default.

 

No offence, but it is strange on how simple math facts are hidden from your reasoning (and others on similar theme) ? You are not in statistics I presume? I hated it but I do remember a little.

[FaceFisted]

In which football match do you think Ronaldo have the greatest impact?

 

 

A:Team 1 1 Ronaldo, 10 average players vs 11 average players

B: Team 1 11 Ronaldo vs 11 Ronaldo

 

 

So assume your chances to influence the battle will increase if the general standard of players go down, but there will be more ups and downs, if you would meet your own level all the time it will be 50% by default.

 

 

No offence, but it is strange on how simple math facts are hidden from your reasoning (and others on similar theme) ? You are not in statistics I presume? I hated it but I do remember a little.

 

Thanks for your constructive answer. I wish more people would write like you, even if I don't agree with it. This is why: I am 37 years old programmer (19 years of work experience) and I deal with mathematic problems on a daily basis.

 

I would LOVE to be in team with Ronaldo level players! I would have nothing against losing from good players if my team was composed of good players as well. It happens, but rarely, and every time I write "gg" to everyone in those matches. I even spread compliments to good enemy players. So as you see, that is not the problem.

 

Here is a problem, put similarly as you put it:

 

Tier 10:

Team 1 and 2: 0-1 Ronaldo, 0-3 average players, 8-12 campers / bots

 

Tier 9:

Team 1 and 2: 1-2 Ronaldos, 4-5 average players, 5-7 campers / bots

 

Sweet spot with highest number of average players is between tiers 5 and 7 (lately between T6 and T7 because of bad call on limited tier spread for lower tiers, which put T5 in hard MM). Those games are most enjoyable and it seems that I will re-buy T7's again just to play it with enjoyment. This state of the game in T10 is absolutely dreadful. I love Montana as ship, it's awesome, but players on this tier....