GNEISENAU overpen issue

[Kaput_Mundi]

Sorry for bothering you fellow captains, but since i got the Gneisenau i noticed an outstanding overpen % occurring on almost every battle.
I forgot to take screenshots, but belive me, nearly half of my total hits are overpens at the end of the match.

At first i was thinking maybe bad luck, or RNG screwing me for good, but it has become a staple of my matches in this ship.

 

Not sure if there is some kind of mistake i'm doing:

 

aim for a broadside cruiser 10 km away? overpen

BBs 10 km? overpen

Even at very close range, half of the hits in the salvo are overpens

 

This is rather strange.

Could it be due to the higher caliber of the guns?
I tried to aim at angled targets but it gets just slighlty better, not significantly.

 

Anyone noticed this steering the Gneis?
Any advice for a salty sailor?
Thanks in advance for your time 

[DrDrKaputt]

Gneisenau has the same Calibre of Guns as the Bayern, so there shouldn't be more Overpens.

The only thing that makes the Gneisenau so frustrating to play is because of its high dispersion and low ammount of guns (only 6), making this ship more dependent on RNG.

[El2aZeR]

Where are you aiming? You should generally aim at the waterline for most BBs & cruisers since most ships have their citadels underwater. Also while the caliber is the same, Bayern actually has far worse shells (worse penetration values than New Mexico), so it's very likely that you'll get more overpens in the Gneisenau than in the Bayern if you don't aim correctly.

However even then you may still not get a satisfying result since the accuracy on Gneisenau is absolutely horrible. She makes up for it by having hilarious troll belt armor and torpedoes, though, so you can close the distance to other BBs basically unharmed and jam some torpedoes up their aft.

[JOVA1982]

I really wasnt a fan of Bayern. Not that it would have been a bad ship, I just didnt really like it.

 

But I adore Gneisanau, I can be extremely agressive with it, and still live to see the end of the match. The ship gets better the closer you get to your target.

Sure there is overpens quite a bit, but from close range those turn to citadels and misses turn to overpens when you get under 8km range, and the turtleback armor means that only things you have to worry is Fire and Torpedos.

And on that note, I'm getting dreadnoughts, and fireproof's in almost every match I survive. Just try to get other ships (Cruisers / other BB's) follow couple km (3-5km) behind you.

[Kaput_Mundi]

Thank you for all your answers dudes

I'm definitely aiming at the right spots, waterline when i find broadsided targets, but then again, due to the terrible dispersion and few gun number (6 tho -_-) i find Gneis much less consistent damage-wise compared to Bayern or Konig.

That said, i absolutely love this Old Lady, she's a shark made for close combat and can tank endlessly if properly angled, trolling and steamrolling almost every ship tier4tier.

 

I was just wondering if someone other than me did noticed that particular overpen %

I also found that quite the only solution, as Jova and others among you said, is to close up really quickly (at the right time) and make the best use of her knife-fight abilities.

As strange as it is, i found myself much more comfortable when uptiered into T8 and T9 matches (yes, not joking), because enemy ships have better armors and thus my guns starts to pen regularly and hitting much harder.
Funny old world! 

[lup3s]

As strange as it is, i found myself much more comfortable when uptiered into T8 and T9 matches (yes, not joking), because enemy ships have better armors and thus my guns starts to pen regularly and hitting much harder.

 

Same here

 

Had the same problem with the Bayern which made me really hate that ship.

 

At least the Gneisenau has torpedoes and very good secondaries

[VC381]

It's not uncommon for T7 ships to get overpens on T5 and 6 cruisers even straight through the hull. The flat trajectory of Gneisenau guns doesn't help as even a narrow miss will make the shells go just above the citadel and straight out the other side of the target. Actually because of this getting closer can make overpens more likely (note I don't have the Gneis but I know Tirpitz has same guns and I experienced this sometimes also with Nagato, 16" will just do hull overpens on broadside Nurnberg at 7km). I totally understand the up-tiered thing, I had exactly the same feeling with Kongo although that is more because I think the small low tier maps don't let you take advantage of the speed properly.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

If you own a Tirp then I find the Gnesi is quite similar. Mostly because her guns are essentially identical.

 

Dispersion is meant to be better on the Gnesi but I fail to see this, I'd personally rate it Tirp>Gnesi>Bismarck in terms of their accuracy. 

 

For cruisers aim at the chunkiest and lowest part of the ship you possibly can, withhold your fire until you think the shot is going to be right. That alone can do wonders for BB accuracy.

[fabatka]

I have the same issue. About 50-60% of my hits are overpen. The worst case was when I fire a full salvo into a broadside of schors aimed at the waterline from about 6-8km. 6 shells, 5 hit, 5 overpen... Thx to RNGesus...

[Alezul]

I'm not sure if i'm a good enough player with this ship to be able to comment but yeah, i have noticed that too. It's pretty much all or nothing on cruisers. Either citadel or 1k overpen, rarely anything else. Some lower tier cruisers i am simply unable to kill for the life of me, just 1k damage over and over.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm not sure if i'm a good enough player with this ship to be able to comment but yeah, i have noticed that too. It's pretty much all or nothing on cruisers. Either citadel or 1k overpen, rarely anything else. Some lower tier cruisers i am simply unable to kill for the life of me, just 1k damage over and over.

 

Yes... Stuff like the Omaha and Kirov can often take fantastic amounts of shells but other times they blow up in one strike. 

[Nekomancer]

True that. One of my first matches with the Leander i caught an Omaha broadside at less than 10 km. Got a devastating strike with AP.

[fabatka]

Doing some analysis, 50-60% of my hits are overpens... Thank you wargaming... realy love to play. But, every hit on me set me on fire, last time it was 10 fires....

 

[Guillotine]

Gneisenau gets better shells after hull upgrade than bayern, so thats one reason to overpen stuff you could do full dmg before.

 

Also 6 guns and wild dispersion ocasionally makes it feel more eradic.

 

Lower tier cruisers need solid hit to citadel to be anything more than overpen, unless you hit them bow on and pen the bow armor, same goes for blundging fire more ship the shell travels trough, bigger chance to penetrating dmg.

[Ferry_25]

Bought G this week. I'm grinding for Mo so this time I haven't free xped the upgrades and playing stock. Did a couple of matches. But I haven't noticed that much difference in overpens of pen-but-no-dam shots than usual. Really have get used to the 6 guns though. But it can bring them all 6 to bear in quite a sharp angle I've noticed. A tip for you OP: when shooting a BS cruiser on short range: try to aim slightly under the waterline. Yes: risk have it RNG decides to land all shells in the water, shooting nothing but fish. If not: the water friction will slow the AP shells just enough to detonate in the citadel instead of shooting right through the boats.

[El2aZeR]

Gneisenau guns need fixing because of dispersion, can't hit a dd at 4 km with main guns.

 

Can't fix what's not broken.

But don't worry, you'll get insane secondaries and Hydro with Bismarck so DDs will never dare approach you ever again. It totally *edited* with class balance but at least it keeps BBabies happy.

[Zloc1utki]

They nerf this ship, no accuracy no hits all overpen, before i do average 70-80k on battle, from yesterday cant hit more than 50k, In  all games CA and BB sailing to me full broadside, and i cant hit them more than 1-2 shells, WTF WG?

[WingedHussar_Adler]

They nerf this ship, no accuracy no hits all overpen, before i do average 70-80k on battle, from yesterday cant hit more than 50k, In  all games CA and BB sailing to me full broadside, and i cant hit them more than 1-2 shells, WTF WG?

Ship was not changed. Bad luck.

 

Also you have 10% higher winrate in it than you global average. Yes nerfed ship

 

[Zloc1utki]

Ship was not changed. Bad luck.

 

Also you have 10% higher winrate in it than you global average. Yes nerfed ship

 

 

Use brain, not only empty head, they nerf, played yesterday and today 4 games, and i know what i am sayin. They dont need to say something, just change it, this is  WG... I have good stats, before this change. Since yesterday this ship is crap

[Exocet6951]

"Dear WG, through the tremendous effort of statistical analysis over the course of 4 games, I noticed that my overperforming ship on which I have 64% WR, a whole 10% more than my own average, did not perform as well. It was obviously nerfed. Pls buff Gneisenau."

 

 

It's not quite clubbing hard enough for you?

Do you, by any chance, also need help accomplishing simple tasks in life? Notably those revolving around using sharp tools like kitchen knives, or small rounded scissors for when you do arts and crafts with paper?

 

[Zloc1utki]

If you try to be funny, sorry you are not. Played on Gn almost 150 battles, i use this ship everyday for 1-2 battles sometimes 5. Yes yesterday just start battle i feel something is not ok, first time i though RNg, second one ok mayby i do it wrong, but today was the same 4 games, and terrible accuracy and dmg, not enough, sorry but after 150 battles, i know when, my almost fav. ship get changed and somthing is broken, mayby is not nerf mayby bug, but still this is not the same GN like before. You dont even have this ship so stfu.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

They silently nerf every ship in which player dies and silently buff the one killed you

Lol. I see dead peoples

 

P.s

Mqybee problem to lower dmg is that your hit rate droped from 31% to 28%

[Zloc1utki]

They silently nerf every ship in which player dies and silently buff the one killed you

 

Lol. I see dead peoples

 

P.s

Mqybee problem to lower dmg is that your hit rate droped from 31% to 28%

jesus another stats lover..... Funny all this 6 games i am not dead...

[Talladega_Night]

this is a typical game in my Genisenau, i tend to do more damage via Secondarys, torpedo's and ramming. little bit frustrating.

[fabatka]

If you try to be funny, sorry you are not. Played on Gn almost 150 battles, i use this ship everyday for 1-2 battles sometimes 5. Yes yesterday just start battle i feel something is not ok, first time i though RNg, second one ok mayby i do it wrong, but today was the same 4 games, and terrible accuracy and dmg, not enough, sorry but after 150 battles, i know when, my almost fav. ship get changed and somthing is broken, mayby is not nerf mayby bug, but still this is not the same GN like before. You dont even have this ship so stfu.

 

Yes, you are right. I am experiencing the same things, something happened with the ship, most on the "accuracy".