Mangrey Beta Tester, Players 740 posts 20,955 battles Report post #1 Posted December 11, 2016 Hey I just played with my French BB and there was a Leander sailing infront of me 5 times ..... with pull broadside from 8km to 3km I came closer...... I managed to give him 12k damage with AP shells ... and then he sank me with his torps ................. the Overpen needs fixing ...... mang 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UNICS] loppantorkel Players 4,506 posts 15,942 battles Report post #2 Posted December 11, 2016 Why? At some point during these five times he sailed in front of you, couldn't you switch to HE instead? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Devantejah Alpha Tester 1,049 posts 2,356 battles Report post #3 Posted December 11, 2016 Signature applies, I guess. 19 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #4 Posted December 11, 2016 Signature applies, I guess. Could be, but then again his profile is private .... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BUSHI] CuddlyPanda Players 352 posts 3,883 battles Report post #5 Posted December 11, 2016 Signature applies, I guess. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #6 Posted December 11, 2016 Well, although I'm playing all classes, I still consider cruisers my main, but I have to agree with him.If you sail broadside 5-10 km away from a battleship, you should get deleted. End of story (or another cruiser if hes smart enough to switch to AP). But they should reduce the chance of getting that retarded citadels while you are angling... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #7 Posted December 11, 2016 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #8 Posted December 11, 2016 Well, although I'm playing all classes, I still consider cruisers my main, but I have to agree with him. If you sail broadside 5-10 km away from a battleship, you should get deleted. End of story (or another cruiser if hes smart enough to switch to AP). But they should reduce the chance of getting that retarded citadels while you are angling... Don't you know, angling is for noobs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xXx_Blogis_xXx Alpha Tester, Players 5,335 posts 35,510 battles Report post #9 Posted December 11, 2016 Could be, but then again his profile is private .... hes a good played , you can dont doubt , any more need to say ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #10 Posted December 11, 2016 hes a good played , you can dont doubt , any more need to say ? I think I played with him but I can't remember his performance. Either way, your sentence is not making much sense "can don't doubt"? Any more need to say? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #11 Posted December 11, 2016 I think I played with him but I can't remember his performance. Either way, your sentence is not making much sense "can don't doubt"? Any more need to say? when did he make any sense anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #12 Posted December 11, 2016 when did he make any sense anyway? The times I played with him and we were on TS it was , just written Engrish you know ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #13 Posted December 11, 2016 Hey I just played with my French BB and there was a Leander sailing infront of me 5 times ..... with pull broadside from 8km to 3km I came closer...... I managed to give him 12k damage with AP shells ... and then he sank me with his torps ................. the Overpen needs fixing ...... mang OP has made mistakes but blames the game. There is no absolute that your BB AP shells are going to do massive damage. It's RNG and a degree of game balance. You should have stayed beyond Leander's torpedo range, in getting close you have exposed yourself to the risk of being torp'ed and paid the price. I feel that you are complaining because the one salvo you had before the Leander could torp you failed and as a result you blew up. If you had stayed at longer range and peppered the Leander it would likely have either died or run away from you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #14 Posted December 11, 2016 Fine, but I want my HE to always never get smashed by armor and saturation to be removed, so my torps and HE shells always do their maxed damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #15 Posted December 11, 2016 Fine, but I want my HE to always never get smashed by armor and saturation to be removed, so my torps and HE shells always do their maxed damage. You would change that so AP always deals max damage?Why buff BBs even more? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #16 Posted December 11, 2016 The biggest indication of game balance is not stats but by whine threads. These include: - there are too many BBs - cruisers get one shot too much - invisible dds OP - CV are **** - he fire down OP - torpedoes OP - overpens need fixing - radar is OP - hydro is OP When I see roughly the same amount of any of the above come up we have a balanced game. Lately the forum meta has shifted slightly in favour of anti-bb whines which indicates that while they aren't OP, there are too many of them in queue. So we need whine threads. How else will I know whether we have balance? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #17 Posted December 11, 2016 (edited) The biggest indication of game balance is not stats but by whine threads. These include: - there are too many BBs - cruisers get one shot too much - invisible dds OP - CV are **** - he fire down OP - torpedoes OP - overpens need fixing - radar is OP - hydro is OP When I see roughly the same amount of any of the above come up we have a balanced game. Lately the forum meta has shifted slightly in favour of anti-bb whines which indicates that while they aren't OP, there are too many of them in queue. So we need whine threads. How else will I know whether we have balance? No.... like double no! 1. You know better then most here WG balances based on their own statistical data, and they largely disregard forum feedback ( unless it happens to coincide, then it's good PR to say 'hey we listened to your feedback!' ). 2. The ( 100% valid ) complaints that WG is catering to the BBabies are not 'recent'. In fact, I think they might even be decreasing a bit right now. And not because it's less true, but because people are giving up ( see point 1 ). edit: the decrease might also involve a place called 'the graveyard' Edited December 11, 2016 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #18 Posted December 11, 2016 I know that feel .. Moskva, full braodside to Hipper, 5 overpens for 5k dmg, next salvo, 3 overpens for 3k dmg, next salvo ... and so on, he comes closer and closer and torps you away on close distance becuase you cant defend yourself. Same with Yamato. Broadside Tirpitz? No problem, here, have 4 overpens for 8k into the broadside at 10km, nothing to worry about .. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #19 Posted December 11, 2016 How else will I know whether we have balance? WG ministry of truth will tell ya obviously. Honesty I ve been trolled by dispersion pretty damn hard yesterday in my BBs. One case is even mentioned in the met-forumite-thread. But whenever somebody moans about anything about a shitty cruiser, besides the p2w ones, being unfair, I just wonder what game they are really playing. Maybe the vintage version with the citadel-bug and immortal cruisers? Has to be something like that .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #20 Posted December 11, 2016 Honesty I ve been trolled by dispersion pretty damn hard yesterday in my BBs. One case is even mentioned in the met-forumite-thread. But whenever somebody moans about anything about a shitty cruiser, besides the p2w ones, being unfair, I just wonder what game they are really playing. Maybe the vintage version with the citadel-bug and immortal cruisers? Has to be something like that .... Well, when broadside Roon BOUNCES (yes, broadside, yes, bounces) your Yamato shell that are landing on him on not a perfect 90° angle, but lets call it 87°, you cannot but ask your self a same question... What am I even playing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangrey Beta Tester, Players 740 posts 20,955 battles Report post #21 Posted December 11, 2016 It is just wrong that a low armor have an advantage in this way ..... I citadeled a Nagato twice in the same battle 13 km away ..... Np .... but killing a Lightcruisers NOP..... ye maby HE was the anser .... but it is still stupid, that if a taget is to close you cant use AP ? .... Im not that crap of a player ..... http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/500259761-Mangrey/yVntOMsTie66gwx_WMkQ_id7N_c/ mang Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #22 Posted December 11, 2016 No.... like double no! 1. You know better then most here WG balances based on their own statistical data, and they largely disregard forum feedback ( unless it happens to coincide, then it's good PR to say 'hey we listened to your feedback!' ). 2. The ( 100% valid ) complaints that WG is catering to the BBabies are not 'recent'. In fact, I think they might even be decreasing a bit right now. And not because it's less true, but because people are giving up ( see point 1 ). edit: the decrease might also involve a place called 'the graveyard' You missed my sarcasm Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[ST-EU] Admiral_noodle Supertest Coordinator 6,337 posts 4,395 battles Report post #23 Posted December 11, 2016 It is just wrong that a low armor have an advantage in this way ..... I citadeled a Nagato twice in the same battle 13 km away ..... Np .... but killing a Lightcruisers NOP..... ye maby HE was the anser .... but it is still stupid, that if a taget is to close you cant use AP ? .... Im not that crap of a player ..... http://worldofwarships.eu/en/community/accounts/500259761-Mangrey/yVntOMsTie66gwx_WMkQ_id7N_c/ mang Actually if the target is a cruiser and it's close range broadside AP is fine. But don't expect to citadel him with a waterline shot. You're shells will mostly go straight through. And if you aim at the waterline half your shells will go into the water. The best plan - as far as I can see - is to aim for the meat of the ship. If all your shells hit, a few pen and the rest overpens that's still likely to do the most damage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #24 Posted December 11, 2016 You missed my sarcasm Sarcasm should be emphasized with a not a Come on, you know there are many people like me on this forum who can't read between the lines that well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #25 Posted December 11, 2016 Actually if the target is a cruiser and it's close range broadside AP is fine. But don't expect to citadel him with a waterline shot. You're shells will mostly go straight through. And if you aim at the waterline half your shells will go into the water. The best plan - as far as I can see - is to aim for the meat of the ship. If all your shells hit, a few pen and the rest overpens that's still likely to do the most damage. main problem is that 1 pen and 3 overpens will alltogether deal less damage then 1 citadel... So you want that citadel. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
