WG answer to BB Heavy meta?

[Kazomir]

Release more expensive premium BBs FOR CHRISTMAS.  (Missouri, alabama)

 

 

Gonna be one fun january i tell ya...

[Ictogan]

Guess WG thinks it's good if 5 players per team are BBs and only 2-3 are cruisers.

[Nechrom]

5 BBs, 5 DDs, 2 CA/CL and no CV. The WG dream.

[Admiral_noodle]

And then I await the complaints about dd infestation when the Germans come.

 

[Exocet6951]

And then I await the complaints about dd infestation when the Germans come.

 

Haha good joke.

 

Remember that the RN cruiser were supposed to bring more cruisers into the MM queue?

Yeah, that didn't turn out too well.

[tenacious_torps]

It's the economy, stupid! BBs sell for more in the prem shop, so we see lots of them. If WG put out a ship for a halfway relevant navy not yet in the game with any line, it's going to be a BB too for sure. Sells like sliced bread. Now... well, we have all this people with their rather costly and all so manly BBs. Do we want disgruntled customers who are proven to be gullible enough to cough up the equivalent of an triple A title on a minor DLC? 'Course not. So we better nerf all classes that turn out to be actually able to counter them then. And voila, there is your meta in which basically nothing is remotely as viable as a BB. Which sells more BBs. Rinse and repeat. There you go, welcome to World of Battleships. 

[tenacious_torps]

And then I await the complaints about dd infestation when the Germans come.

 

If they are rolled out in the state as currently leaked, they're yet another line primarily aimed at a anti-DD role more than a threat to BBs. 

[Admiral_noodle]

 

Haha good joke.

 

Remember that the RN cruiser were supposed to bring more cruisers into the MM queue?

Yeah, that didn't turn out too well.

 

Depends at what tier. Ijn dd changes have already led to 5 dds per side in the mid tiers. And to be honest the release of the premiums will just change which BBs we see not create more BBs players. 

 

I've also seen many more 3 BBs per side games mid tier over the last few days. I suspect the German bulge has worked its way up. 

[Hobbes_95]

 

Haha good joke.

 

Remember that the RN cruiser were supposed to bring more cruisers into the MM queue?

Yeah, that didn't turn out too well.

 

In my opinion the RN cruisers did not improve the game at all. All they did was give good players the perfect sealclubbing tool, encouraging an increasingly stale meta with more and more ships always hiding in smoke screens, making life harde for DDs and CA/CLs and CVs at high tiers (Neptune long range AA is insane), but not necessarily for BBs. I always hate to see them on the enemy team, unless I am in a battleship or maybe a heavy cruiser.

[Shaka_D]

 

Depends at what tier. Ijn dd changes have already led to 5 dds per side in the mid tiers. And to be honest the release of the premiums will just change which BBs we see not create more BBs players. 

 

I've also seen many more 3 BBs per side games mid tier over the last few days. I suspect the German bulge has worked its way up. 

 

There might be a few torpedo missions skewering the fact there ol boy.

[EsaTuunanen]

5 BBs, 5 DDs, 2 CA/CL and no CV. The WG dream.

Actually:

At least 4, preferably 5/6 BBs.

The rest don't really matter, except preferably no CVs capable to annoying BBs.

[Ictogan]

 

If they are rolled out in the state as currently leaked, they're yet another line primarily aimed at a anti-DD role more than a threat to BBs. 

Why do you think they won't be a threat to BBs?

[AgarwaenME]

 

Depends at what tier. Ijn dd changes have already led to 5 dds per side in the mid tiers. And to be honest the release of the premiums will just change which BBs we see not create more BBs players. 

 

I've also seen many more 3 BBs per side games mid tier over the last few days. I suspect the German bulge has worked its way up. 

 

[Citation Needed]

 

Actually I joke about that, as it's fairly easy to check last week battles played and find BBs more played across the board with only mine/kami's at t5 being up at BB levels of popularity.

 

The amount of battles played in DDs simply don't allow for 5 per side being particularly common, and certainly not nearly as common as 5+ BBs per side.

[Admiral_noodle]

 

There might be a few torpedo missions skewering the fact there ol boy.

 

Indeed. Missions do seem to work. I've argued for missions to balance unbalanced meta before. Perhaps WG are actually trying to do this. It's encouraging anyway - but it also demonstrates why there are tasks and missions which can only be achieved in certain classes!

[Admiral_noodle]

 

[Citation Needed]

 

Actually I joke about that, as it's fairly easy to check last week battles played and find BBs more played across the board with only mine/kami's at t5 being up at BB levels of popularity.

 

The amount of battles played in DDs simply don't allow for 5 per side being particularly common, and certainly not nearly as common as 5+ BBs per side.

 

Obviously depends on who is in the queue with what at any given time. It's subjective but the last two evenings I've seen a lot more dds and fewer dds around tier 5-7. Higher up it still feels BB heavy. I'll see if the stats reflect this next week. 

[Zathras_Grimm]

Why do you think they won't be a threat to BBs?

 

Because what is? Seriously the game has followed a distinct path:

 

CVs hitting BBs = CVs nerfed.

Torpedoes hitting BBs = Torpedoes nerfed

DDs invisifiring = More anti DD measures introduced

"Whaahhhh I'm being burnt to a crisp!" = HE fire chance nerfed.

 

 

It now makes more sense for a CV player to hunt DDs rather than attack BBs lol; come on! A mighty aircraft carrier deployed to hunt DDs. Why? Because to hunt a BB is useless, they have been made so forgiving with large HP pools, torpedo belts, AA and magic heals that it would be waste of time.

 

 

WG have destroyed the gameplay in that DDs, CAs and CVs are now reduced to fighting amongst themselves. CVs because of the info above; DDs because they can't reach the BBs and CAs because now they are more AP vs AP there is no way they can even do a skilled/prolonged attack wittling down the BB with fires (because BBs screamed it wasn't fair - the CAs aren't staying in range to be citadelled lol). It just isn't worth the agro.

 

 

Edit: In fact why do we have BBs, seriously? The real fighters are the other 3 ships. There are plenty of good BB captains out there, don't get me wrong, but in the end the ship itself is so far removed from the game mechanic that they could completely remove them and I could only see positives from it. A quick rejig of certain consumables and HP abilities and I could quite happily say 'what's a BB?'.

[Panocek]

5 BBs, 5 DDs, 2 CA/CL and no CV. The WG dream.

 

12v12 BB. All the balancing issues are gone, all the whining, all the noise. Only sniping contest at 20km

[AgarwaenME]

 

Obviously depends on who is in the queue with what at any given time. It's subjective but the last two evenings I've seen a lot more dds and fewer dds around tier 5-7. Higher up it still feels BB heavy. I'll see if the stats reflect this next week. 

 

Your perception can be subjective (and a bit random depending on what you get to see), however the stats for games played is objective fact. You might have observed something (or thought you did) but if you did that only means there were times or other people who had it even more skewed toward BBs. The thing is, even if there's a bit of an influx of people playing the new IJN DDs, how many of these DDs are "keepers" for anyone? It's 4 new in a secondary branch with only one of those DDs being anything actually "new" gameplay wise, and that being a t8 DD would need to see massive popularity to dent the incredibly heavy BB meta at t8 (it would have to be twice as popular as the benson really).

[ilhilh]

Release more expensive premium BBs FOR CHRISTMAS.  (Missouri, alabama)

 

 

Gonna be one fun january i tell ya...

 

Japanese DDs. German DDs.  Last released line was RN CLs.  Sure, we are getting some BB premiums but everything else currently is not BBs,

[tajj7]

Reduce range IMO, get them in the battle more. 

[Nethraniel]

 

Japanese DDs. German DDs.  Last released line was RN CLs.  Sure, we are getting some BB premiums but everything else currently is not BBs,

 

Make ready for the glorious VMF BBs... I am really curious, if they will be totally OP or totally crap...

[BadGene616]

 

Japanese DDs. German DDs.  Last released line was RN CLs.  Sure, we are getting some BB premiums but everything else currently is not BBs,

But more DDs isn't the answer to the bb heavy meta. 

 

To give an analogy... 

Paper became a rolled up copy of the Times, and it bloody hurts.

Scissors became a chainsaw.

Rock is a pebble.

[Fino_93]

yes.

the wg anwer for the heavy BB meta is "yes".

 

 

in regard of the last "non BB" implementation on the game, let's face this:

-jap DDs: nerf of torpboats on high tier (less counter for BBs), new line with a tgeorical gunboat design (counter to BB's counters)

-RN CLs, good against DDs and cruisers, crap against BBs 

-german DDs: apartently gunboat (counter to DDs counter)

 

and let's face the main "balancing" of the year:

-planes infestation is a problem, mainly for BBs: wg solved this nerfing CVs 

-torpboat infestation is a problem, mainly for BBs: wg solved this nerfing torpboat

-invisifiring ships infestation is a problem, mainly for BBs: wg solved this nerfing invisifiring (radar introduction and buffing)

-firespamming of upcoming RN line could be a problem, mainly for BBs: wg solved this redesigning them in a way that make them strong (aparently even OP in some tiers) against non BB ships but crap against BB

 

 

 

 

-BBs infestation is a problem for everyone: wg doesn't know how to solve this, but theu said that they doesn't want to nerf BBs.

 

for me it's clear that wg have interest in make Bb overperforming for reason in the same way they have the same interest in have a good Russian ships presence in the game cause it improve tge earning of a part of the community (they said this, not me) and making them overperform.

 

[Oely001]

MM example from yesterday prime time. To be honest: I don't feel the need to drive cruisers in this kind of battles.

[BadGene616]

Have to be fair, rn CLs can seriously hurt bbs, until damage saturation at least. Of course, this relies on the smoke not running out and other players able to support with spotting...

 

But this is a digression. The test of op stands.