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  1. 1. Should the Accuracy of German Battleships be Buffed to atleast be COMPETITIVE?


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Hey WG! Ive just been playing in my Friedrich der Große (406mm guns I'm stock), and I'm pissed off.

Why? Good Question, glad you asked: I have just been sailing broadside to a izumo 5(!!!!!!!!!!!) KM away and 5 (!!!!!!!!!!) CONTINUOUS SALVOS MISSED COMPLETELY OR FAILED TO PENETRATE! This isn't ,,Balanced" this is Bias at its finest.

This is just a joke. German BB´s were known to be the MOST(!) ACCURATE during the war (before the americans had their Radar-synced guns idk sue me) and this [edited]keeps just pissing me off. THIS ISNT FUN. Its ludacris how a ship can miss 8 shots at practically POINT BLANK RANGE! or when i hit him i did 5-8k dmg which is just a joke on its own. If the 420mm guns don't get better you just lost a (paying) customer (and trust me more will follow) 


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Look at the performance of the ships:

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/11/26 ]        
Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival
JP BB 3 Kawachi 50.23 21.321 0.76 36.31
KM BB 3 Nassau 51.23 29.565 1.06 40.55
US BB 3 South Carolina 47.66 21.453 0.67 35.75
JP BB 4 Myogi 47.14 22.543 0.50 35.72
KM BB 4 Kaiser 48.82 34.071 0.85 40.41
US BB 4 Wyoming 48.59 28.205 0.67 35.73
JP BB 5 Kongo 47.13 30.835 0.60 39.29
KM BB 5 Koenig 49.25 38.897 0.82 42.33
US BB 5 New York 46.93 28.475 0.54 37.16
JP BB 6 Fuso 48.41 40.641 0.69 42.32
KM BB 6 Bayern 47.71 40.551 0.73 41.36
US BB 6 New Mexico 47.81 36.205 0.63 39.37
JP BB 7 Nagato 46.58 44.437 0.67 39.15
KM BB 7 Gneisenau 49.18 46.799 0.79 37.75
US BB 7 Colorado 46.98 42.322 0.64 39.99
JP BB 8 Amagi 48.73 55.985 0.76 41.32
KM BB 8 Bismarck 50.43 60.189 0.86 39.20
US BB 8 North Carolina 47.60 51.791 0.71 38.59
JP BB 9 Izumo 47.90 59.779 0.69 34.68
KM BB 9 Friedrich der Grosse 50.22 63.644 0.79 39.38
US BB 9 Iowa 47.60 58.660 0.70 36.04
JP BB 10 Yamato 49.57 91.282 0.95 39.11
KM BB 10 Grosser Kurfurst 49.08 87.315 1.02 41.73
US BB 10 Montana 48.50 82.228 0.95 42.13

 

 

And you still want buffs?


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 German BB´s were known to be the MOST(!) ACCURATE during the war (before the americans had their Radar-synced guns idk sue me)

 

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Look at the performance of the ships:

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/11/26 ]        
Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival
JP BB 3 Kawachi 50.23 21.321 0.76 36.31
KM BB 3 Nassau 51.23 29.565 1.06 40.55
US BB 3 South Carolina 47.66 21.453 0.67 35.75
JP BB 4 Myogi 47.14 22.543 0.50 35.72
KM BB 4 Kaiser 48.82 34.071 0.85 40.41
US BB 4 Wyoming 48.59 28.205 0.67 35.73
JP BB 5 Kongo 47.13 30.835 0.60 39.29
KM BB 5 Koenig 49.25 38.897 0.82 42.33
US BB 5 New York 46.93 28.475 0.54 37.16
JP BB 6 Fuso 48.41 40.641 0.69 42.32
KM BB 6 Bayern 47.71 40.551 0.73 41.36
US BB 6 New Mexico 47.81 36.205 0.63 39.37
JP BB 7 Nagato 46.58 44.437 0.67 39.15
KM BB 7 Gneisenau 49.18 46.799 0.79 37.75
US BB 7 Colorado 46.98 42.322 0.64 39.99
JP BB 8 Amagi 48.73 55.985 0.76 41.32
KM BB 8 Bismarck 50.43 60.189 0.86 39.20
US BB 8 North Carolina 47.60 51.791 0.71 38.59
JP BB 9 Izumo 47.90 59.779 0.69 34.68
KM BB 9 Friedrich der Grosse 50.22 63.644 0.79 39.38
US BB 9 Iowa 47.60 58.660 0.70 36.04
JP BB 10 Yamato 49.57 91.282 0.95 39.11
KM BB 10 Grosser Kurfurst 49.08 87.315 1.02 41.73
US BB 10 Montana 48.50 82.228 0.95 42.13

 

 

And you still want buffs?

 

Good to see that the stats ate slowly moving towards the average after a somewhat spectacular start. Many factors come into play but I think the stats will even out in the future.

 

Asking for a buff might be a little too much but all in all the balance seems ok. You can still argue about hydro but that should be it.


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Hey WG! Ive just been playing in my Friedrich der Große (406mm guns I'm stock), and I'm pissed off.

Why? Good Question, glad you asked: I have just been sailing broadside to a izumo 5(!!!!!!!!!!!) KM away and 5 (!!!!!!!!!!) CONTINUOUS SALVOS MISSED COMPLETELY OR FAILED TO PENETRATE! This isn't ,,Balanced" this is Bias at its finest.

This is just a joke. German BB´s were known to be the MOST(!) ACCURATE during the war (before the americans had their Radar-synced guns idk sue me) and this [edited]keeps just pissing me off. THIS ISNT FUN. Its ludacris how a ship can miss 8 shots at practically POINT BLANK RANGE! or when i hit him i did 5-8k dmg which is just a joke on its own. If the 420mm guns don't get better you just lost a (paying) customer (and trust me more will follow) 

 

Erm even we Germans know nothing about the accuracy of German Battleships. Wheres your source? Learn to aim and use ridicoulous armor+secondaries of german bbs. There are no easier to play ships atm in WoWs, even japanese BBs are harder to master.

 

Rngesus.

 

But nice to hear that not only germans talkin crapabout magical second world war german tech like Tiger 1, Bismarck and so on. 

 

Propaganda screwed you.

 

EDIT: Aaannnd....its a arcade game, not a simulation

Edited by Danteron

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Which ninja nerf do you mean? This patch, last patch or even the patch before?

It is hard to keep track of all the ninja nerfs on Tirpitz. Wonder why people are still being able to hit a barn from the inside after all these nerfs? :trollface:


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Considering the accuracy on those guns is pretty competitive, a buff is superflous.

 

Also it's debatable about germans havibg had the most accurate guns in WW2 by any measure. They certainly had some of the most advanced optics thanks to Germany's world leading industry in that sector, but there's a lot more to gunnery than just having good optics. Firing doctrine and proper identification and ranging of targets are arguably much more important than having good sights or physically accurate guns.


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Considering the accuracy on those guns is pretty competitive, a buff is superflous.

 

Also it's debatable about germans havibg had the most accurate guns in WW2 by any measure. They certainly had some of the most advanced optics thanks to Germany's world leading industry in that sector, but there's a lot more to gunnery than just having good optics. Firing doctrine and proper identification and ranging of targets are arguably much more important than having good sights or physically accurate guns.

 

Well, he is probably using that 1 hit kill as a reference for them being a snipers :trollface:

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Look at the performance of the ships:

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/11/26 ]        
Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival
JP BB 3 Kawachi 50.23 21.321 0.76 36.31
KM BB 3 Nassau 51.23 29.565 1.06 40.55
US BB 3 South Carolina 47.66 21.453 0.67 35.75
JP BB 4 Myogi 47.14 22.543 0.50 35.72
KM BB 4 Kaiser 48.82 34.071 0.85 40.41
US BB 4 Wyoming 48.59 28.205 0.67 35.73
JP BB 5 Kongo 47.13 30.835 0.60 39.29
KM BB 5 Koenig 49.25 38.897 0.82 42.33
US BB 5 New York 46.93 28.475 0.54 37.16
JP BB 6 Fuso 48.41 40.641 0.69 42.32
KM BB 6 Bayern 47.71 40.551 0.73 41.36
US BB 6 New Mexico 47.81 36.205 0.63 39.37
JP BB 7 Nagato 46.58 44.437 0.67 39.15
KM BB 7 Gneisenau 49.18 46.799 0.79 37.75
US BB 7 Colorado 46.98 42.322 0.64 39.99
JP BB 8 Amagi 48.73 55.985 0.76 41.32
KM BB 8 Bismarck 50.43 60.189 0.86 39.20
US BB 8 North Carolina 47.60 51.791 0.71 38.59
JP BB 9 Izumo 47.90 59.779 0.69 34.68
KM BB 9 Friedrich der Grosse 50.22 63.644 0.79 39.38
US BB 9 Iowa 47.60 58.660 0.70 36.04
JP BB 10 Yamato 49.57 91.282 0.95 39.11
KM BB 10 Grosser Kurfurst 49.08 87.315 1.02 41.73
US BB 10 Montana 48.50 82.228 0.95 42.13

 

 

And you still want buffs?

 

dunno where you pulled the stats from  hope its maplesyrup...

 

but nearly all people here in the forum complain about bbs beeing to strong yet nearly all have sub 50% wr :trollface:


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Aah, here we are again. The week would not be complete without some whining BBaby begging for a buff or demanding that another class be nerfed.

 

OP, German naval gunnery accuracy was average during the war, and in the case of the BB's often slightly sub par as they had less experienced owing Germany preferring U-boat raiders over conventional surface warships.


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Look at the performance of the ships:

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2016/11/26 ]        
Nation Class Tier Name Win Damage Kills/Battle Survival
JP BB 3 Kawachi 50.23 21.321 0.76 36.31
KM BB 3 Nassau 51.23 29.565 1.06 40.55
US BB 3 South Carolina 47.66 21.453 0.67 35.75
JP BB 4 Myogi 47.14 22.543 0.50 35.72
KM BB 4 Kaiser 48.82 34.071 0.85 40.41
US BB 4 Wyoming 48.59 28.205 0.67 35.73
JP BB 5 Kongo 47.13 30.835 0.60 39.29
KM BB 5 Koenig 49.25 38.897 0.82 42.33
US BB 5 New York 46.93 28.475 0.54 37.16
JP BB 6 Fuso 48.41 40.641 0.69 42.32
KM BB 6 Bayern 47.71 40.551 0.73 41.36
US BB 6 New Mexico 47.81 36.205 0.63 39.37
JP BB 7 Nagato 46.58 44.437 0.67 39.15
KM BB 7 Gneisenau 49.18 46.799 0.79 37.75
US BB 7 Colorado 46.98 42.322 0.64 39.99
JP BB 8 Amagi 48.73 55.985 0.76 41.32
KM BB 8 Bismarck 50.43 60.189 0.86 39.20
US BB 8 North Carolina 47.60 51.791 0.71 38.59
JP BB 9 Izumo 47.90 59.779 0.69 34.68
KM BB 9 Friedrich der Grosse 50.22 63.644 0.79 39.38
US BB 9 Iowa 47.60 58.660 0.70 36.04
JP BB 10 Yamato 49.57 91.282 0.95 39.11
KM BB 10 Grosser Kurfurst 49.08 87.315 1.02 41.73
US BB 10 Montana 48.50 82.228 0.95 42.13

 

 

And you still want buffs?

 

 

Bayern hard pwnd by Fuso, please buff entire line!!!1!11!!1


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If you buff the German BB accuracy then I want my Japanese and US BB to allso get good armor, awsome secondaries, torps at tier 7 and hydro on the higher tiers.

 

Seriously, the German BB are fine as they are, do not need them to get better. 


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if german battleships are not competitive due to their guns... why did the Bismark dominate ranked battles in the last season?

why does it seem that the Freddy and Kurfurst have phased out US and IJ battleships at later tiers? I see more Kurfusts than Yamatos nowadays. I don't think Ive seen a Montana in a month!

 

and accurate guns? historically battleships launched dozens of shells at each other before either actually hit anything even with radar and spotter plane assistance. I think someones let the casualties of Jutland and the Hood disaster go to their head without looking at how long the battles lasted and how much ordinance was fired. contrary to popular belief the hood was not "one shotted" by superior German guns. they had been firing at each other for 10+ minutes and Hood took at least 4 hits before that lucky shot got her battery.

 

German battleships are perfectly competitive, perhaps a even little too competitive right now if anything they might need a minor nerf or two


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if german battleships are not competitive due to their guns... why did the Bismark dominate ranked battles in the last season?

 

Sonar, huge [edited]secondaries and indedtructible armor layout and very respectable speed. Basically a B@tch to kill in a game mode that is all about surviving longer. Guns are fine. The other aspects need a nerf.


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You always get the occasional close range derp shots. Even on really accurate BB... Annoys the hell out of me but that's RNG for you.


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Take your pick:
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I mean it's not like they are the best performing line of ships in the game or anything.


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OP, German BBs are already pretty much the strongest BBs in the game. Sure, their primary batteries' are typically the weak point, but trollish armor, nasty secondaries and speed more than make up for it. Plus, hydro at tier 8+.

 

Buff their main guns any more and they'll be outright overpowered.


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The Bayern is the only ship in my port were i have to relay on his insane disperion to hit and cittadel enemy ships, dispersed shells are so OP these days :D  


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Fdg especially is loooooooooooong. This is a pretty obvious thing when you are not in sniper view.

 

Get out of sniper view, aim your guns broadside at 5km and see how much they turn in.

 

The in game camera in either on your front or back turrets depending on where you have it set up.

 

The deflecting angle when shooting at close range can be really severe, it makes the (for example) rear turrets feel like shotguns compared with the front.

 

But yeah German bb dispersion is not great but it is balanced. You have just about every advantage in those ships, accept the balance.


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Source for this?

 

No source (I'm not the OP) but I have seen some claims that both support and refute the claim.

 

The KM ships were fitted with incredibly effective but incredibly complicated range-finding and fire control systems, which meant they were incredibly accurate but placed a huge load on the crew and needed them to perform at absolutely 100%.  The upshot of this is that they were very accurate in peacetime training conditions and against opponents that couldn't shoot back but fell to pieces the moment fire started coming back their way.

 

So in some respects the OP's claim is correct, but in actual real world combat situations the simpler RN systems were probably better.


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"buff KM BBs"

 

haha is it April already!?!?!


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Errr, have you tried closing with the enemy? I find that helps.

 

View PostVerdius, on 05 December 2016 - 11:19 PM, said:

Take your pick:

<snip>

 

Saved! :teethhappy:

Edited by Bismarck_chan

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I may be throwing fuel on the fire here, but if I was going to recommend a line to go up to new players, or players that are finding it tough in other ships I would point to the german line. They get less punished for mistakes due to turtle back and good speed compared to the US. Their strength is designed to mitigate inaccurate guns with shorter range engagements. Ignoring accuracy of particular batteries for a moment, everyone has an easier time hitting targets at close range, less time for the target to move, great for people that have problems with that sort of prediction.

 

When german BBs were released they had higher than average stats as all the unicums charged up the line free exping liberally. Now the likes of me and my potato friends have worked our way up them, lowering the stats, as the unicums have left to try their typically more challenging ships. Throw in the likelihood of it being a new players first line and it's easy to think that any slightly lower than average performance stats may well be down to the player base. This theory is at least partly evidenced by the flint.


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