USS Alabama tier 8 US premium BB preliminary stats (5.16)

[BabyAdmiral]

That camo looks beast :O

 

I totally agree. It was the first thing that struck my mind when I looked at the link provided.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

in which case can anyone who has Iowa with a permanent camo be awarded a missouri ?

Maybe not quite but WG are moving in the right direction as Perm camo got a repair reduction last patch. Now for a credits buff. Imo its not unreasonable if kept in line with the repair percentages.

[ThinderChief]

 

Which would all take far longer to produce. By doing a South Dakota (or any US ship really) they can recycle a lot of assets, basically all they'd need to create from the ground up is the hull and superstructure. Everything else they just need to copy & paste.

Who knows, maybe they're already working on some of the ships you've mentioned but the Alabama just went through the production pipeline faster because a lot assets for her were already done.

 

Also the faster you can get sth out, the faster it'll make you $$$ 

 

​When you see the work the amount of work they produced so far and knowing how it's done, i'll be the very last to complain about it right now...

 

This gave have reached a very high level of visual quality and playability (with a system that doesn't hang like mine that is), their assotiation with Autodesk and other companies was well worth it, it's a high ranking CG package they've got now...

 

Now, about the choice they make, i guess it's a constant ballance between the 3Dartists/programmers and technico-commercials both with their different requierements, it's also a commercial thing, but for as long as quality is there i'm OK with that too.

 

But well, who are we to complain?

[fnord_disc]

 

The model perspective is a little weird, but the SoDaks truly were very pudgy ships (I think it looks great!).

 

Like others have said: they have the same beam as North Carolina, but they're much shorter in length.

[SmartassNoob]

It is after all the last BB designed in the US.

 

The next design isn't really a new design. They just wanted faster BBs, so they added a section of hull right behind the chimney, so as to fit bigger (=more powerful) engines and made the front longer and pointier (for speed). The next (last) design was again not a real design. They just wanted more firepower, so they put one more turret on it (into an already empty part of the ship).

[RUSSIANBlAS]

It is after all the last BB designed in the US.

 

The next design isn't really a new design. They just wanted faster BBs, so they added a section of hull right behind the chimney, so as to fit bigger (=more powerful) engines and made the front longer and pointier (for speed). The next (last) design was again not a real design. They just wanted more firepower, so they put one more turret on it (into an already empty part of the ship).

 

Is that why Iowa is so fat? The rear for the huge 200k bhp+ power plant? And the lengthened front so she cuts through the water...

[fnord_disc]

 

Is that why Iowa is so fat? The rear for the huge 200k bhp+ power plant? And the lengthened front so she cuts through the water...

 

Yes, Iowa is just a lengthened SoDak with slightly different guns.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm actually really looking forward to this ship.

 

Even if it's possibly just a P2W NC like what the Tex is to the NY. 

 

Could be the perfect T8 BB finally?

[fnord_disc]

Dunno, it's going to be a lot more vulnerable to gunfire. The hull over the belt armor gets overmatched for penetration damage and the citadel is very tall. It's going to be a lot less tanky than NC.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Dunno, it's going to be a lot more vulnerable to gunfire. The hull over the belt armor gets overmatched for penetration damage and the citadel is very tall. It's going to be a lot less tanky than NC.

 

Ah... I don't consider the NC tanky, it's great from the front but takes as much damage from the sides as an Amagi. Will await the reviews.

[El2aZeR]

The hull over the belt armor gets overmatched

 

Depends on how much STS plating WG is going to apply. RL specs would be 32mm which would be fine, but if she gets *edited* over like Iowa (ahistorical 25mm as "torpedo bulge") then yeah, that's going to be a problem.

[fnord_disc]

 

Depends on how much STS plating WG is going to apply. RL specs would be 32mm which would be fine, but if she gets *edited* over like Iowa (ahistorical 25mm as "torpedo bulge") then yeah, that's going to be a problem.

 

Yes, the problem is entirely equivalent to Iowa.

 

It's ironic, really. I like SoDak's armor arrangement a lot on a historical level, but in game terms it's trash.

[SmartassNoob]

It's shorter, so it should turn sharper, meaning that it can dodge torpedoes better, meaning that it fears DDs less, meaning that it could get closer to the action than some others. Just like the Missouri with radar + its captain reportedly has the turret turn speed upgrade, both of which benefit close combat.

[Affeks]

The only thing that got upgraded on Kongo AA-wise was adding a *edited*-ton of those 25mm guns (Haruna carried 118 barrels total in 1945). These do about 2 dps per barrel (taken from Yama), having 118 of them would net you 236 dps at 3.1km base range. Count in the DP guns and total base DPS value tops out at around 276.

 

Means a late war Kongo would have more AA power than a top hull Cleve at close range. Yeah, I'd buy that, too. 

 

You forgot that Haruna also had two extra twin 5" DP guns tho, so the total DPS would be 296 

 

But on topic tho I don't know why US gets more stuff now tbh... Many other nations that needs em more... IJN BB, KM Cruiser, KM DD,

[Killerbin34]

Well at present the US have had the fewest additions to the main line when compared to the other tress. We got German and Russian ships with a soon to be an almost complete German Line and 2/3rds of the viable Russians ships in game already. These three nations all have a viable Tier 8 Premium, Atago, Kutz and Tirpitz the US doesn't. The Japanese very recently got new DDs so why is there such an issue with the US getting a what appears to be very competitive T8 premium ? I am a US BB player you can look up my stats if you wish and I thoroughly enjoy the North Carolina. But being a bit of a ship buff i had hoped for a South Dakota eventually so i will most likely be getting her. I hope she isn't overpowered the game doesn't need another Nikolai especially at the Tier where alot of competitive play occurs. However few can deny the fact that several of the most competitive ships in either Ranked or Clan/team battles are the premiums . Only Bismarck really stand outs the Chappy is only really viable due to its great radar. 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

Well at present the US have had the fewest additions to the main line when compared to the other tress. We got German and Russian ships with a soon to be an almost complete German Line and 2/3rds of the viable Russians ships in game already. These three nations all have a viable Tier 8 Premium, Atago, Kutz and Tirpitz the US doesn't. The Japanese very recently got new DDs so why is there such an issue with the US getting a what appears to be very competitive T8 premium ? I am a US BB player you can look up my stats if you wish and I thoroughly enjoy the North Carolina. But being a bit of a ship buff i had hoped for a South Dakota eventually so i will most likely be getting her. I hope she isn't overpowered the game doesn't need another Nikolai especially at the Tier where alot of competitive play occurs. However few can deny the fact that several of the most competitive ships in either Ranked or Clan/team battles are the premiums . Only Bismarck really stand outs the Chappy is only really viable due to its great radar. 

For ranked

Best BB - bicmarck + NC

Best dd - Benson

Best carrier - Shokaku

Cruiser - Atago but Here is Takao now + kutuzov

 

So basicly regulat ships dominates Ranked and only in least play class cruisers (not cownting cv relly) you have premiums. 

 

The thing i want in t8 usa bb is that it is NOT nc with other paint. I would like some variety. Maybee beter drcondaries and worst aaa. Something that is not copy/paste NC with premium camo

[fnord_disc]

Takao is still slightly worse than Atago due to the lack of camo.

[44smok]

Chapa is slightly better than Atago as it can counter the ranked smoke meta with radar. So you got silver ships everywhere.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Chapa is slightly better than Atago as it can counter the ranked smoke meta with radar. So you got silver ships everywhere.

 

The Atago is the Lord and Master of all T8 Cruisers!! 

 

She doesn't need radar to counter DD smoke. Hydro and torping said smoke with 6+ fishes is a strong alternative.

[44smok]

Seen a lot more chapas carrying rankeds than atagos. And atagos are played a lot more often. Playing against Atago usually doesn't raise my blood pressure while chapa is something you always gotta look out for.

[piritskenyer]

As an Atago player, Russian cruisers are usually more of an annoyance than a real threat.They are annoying in the sense that they constantly rain down 6" showers, and I have to dodge, but I can usually smack them in the face without too much trouble.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Crappy are just HE spammers with radar. 

 

Granted the skill ceiling of an Atago is pretty high and she really benefits from CE as 9.1km is simply OP in a Cruiser. If you're at an intermediate distance you can simply cease fire, wiggle, go stealth, repair then rethink your options. That alone is extremely powerful

[Darth_Glorious]

[Gojuadorai]

[fail] sry

[Verdius]

 

You forgot that Haruna also had two extra twin 5" DP guns tho, so the total DPS would be 296 

 

But on topic tho I don't know why US gets more stuff now tbh... Many other nations that needs em more... IJN BB, KM Cruiser, KM DD,

 

KM cruiser has Eugen and soon Graf Spee. IJN BB has no prems above T4, KM DD has no prems at all.

Aside from Sims, which isn't on sale most of the time, USN DDs are also lacking in prems (not counting Lo Yang since that is in the Pan-Asia tree). IJN cruisers also have the Tone as a prem in dev limbo for over a year but aside from Atago don't have any prems available either on a more permanent basis.

IJN CV also have no prems, but with the current state of CV they should have some other priorities.

USN getting tier 8 prems is something they lacked though.

 

Meanwhile Soviets have more premiums than real life ships.