USS Alabama tier 8 US premium BB preliminary stats (5.16)

[RUSSIANBlAS]

People will rage at this probably.

 

Like how the Texas is essentially a buffed New York with practically no short comings.

 

Pay £40 for an NC without any weaknesses (torps), if they fix the slow shell travel too I'll be first in line 

[fnord_disc]

Sigma is only relevant if you compare it to ships with a similar base dispersion. It doesn't really mean much at all compared to ships with a different dispersion. 1.9 means the ship is slightly more accurate than most American battleships, but less accurate than North Carolina.

 

It's important to remember that SoDak had a very unusual armor scheme and without seeing the armor model in the game, it's difficult to predict how durable the ship is.

 

The ship could be more durable than North Carolina or less durable depending on where the hit boxes start.

[StuntMan0369]

The ship could be more durable than North Carolina or less durable depending on where the hit boxes start.

 

Well, if I'm looking at this right, her citadel rides a lot higher than NC's, above the waterline in-fact. She's also stubbier than NC (explains the better turning radius).

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Well, if I'm looking at this right, her citadel rides a lot higher than NC's, above the waterline in-fact. She's also stubbier than NC (explains the better turning radius).

 

so it doesnt get the NCs buffed citadel protection and is treated like Iowa and Montana

 

some screens from gm3d

(note funky propeller placement)

 

[fnord_disc]

 

Well, if I'm looking at this right, her citadel rides a lot higher than NC's, above the waterline in-fact. She's also stubbier than NC (explains the better turning radius).

 

No, the reason North Carolina's citadel is so low is because Lesta didn't count one entire deck. Technically NC should have the same citadel height as Iowa, but it doesn't for balancing reasons. Unless you have access to the armor model somehow and I'm not seeing it...

 

South Dakota has a very similar armor scheme to Iowa, but that doesn't mean the citadel will be just as high. It could end up being the same as NC.

 

The problem is more whether the area between the hull and the belt counts as ship in terms of hit box. If it is a legitimate part of the hitbox, then angling the ship to bounce shells is almost impossible because the hull will be overmatched for penetration damage by 406mm. Look at Iowa's armor scheme to see what I mean; she has essentially Iowa's armor.

[StuntMan0369]

 

No, the reason North Carolina's citadel is so low is because Lesta didn't count one entire deck. Technically NC should have the same citadel height as Iowa, but it doesn't for balancing reasons. Unless you have access to the armor model somehow and I'm not seeing it...

 

South Dakota has a very similar armor scheme to Iowa, but that doesn't mean the citadel will be just as high. It could end up being the same as NC.

 

The problem is more whether the area between the hull and the belt counts as ship in terms of hit box. If it is a legitimate part of the hitbox, then angling the ship to bounce shells is almost impossible because the hull will be overmatched for penetration damage by 406mm. Look at Iowa's armor scheme to see what I mean; she has essentially Iowa's armor.

 

 GM3D has a 'modules' section that details all the areas, such as 'bow', 'stern', 'powder magazine' etc. In that, the citadel goes above the waterline, just like the Iowa's.

[fnord_disc]

 

 GM3D has a 'modules' section that details all the areas, such as 'bow', 'stern', 'powder magazine' etc. In that, the citadel goes above the waterline, just like the Iowa's.

 

Ah, my bad. I assume all her hit boxes are counted identically to Iowa, then. She's penalized twice: once with a tall citadel and once with getting overmatched on the broadside.

 

It will play like a slow Iowa will lazier guns, then. Just more maneuverable too.

[El2aZeR]

Technically NC should have the same citadel height as Iowa, but it doesn't for balancing reasons.

 

It's actually the other way around. Look here for details:

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/99212-confirmed-iowamontana-citadel-modeling-error/

 

Shouldn't come off as surprising that Alabama gets the same armor as Iowa, considering there were barely any changes between the two.

Honestly, it's funny how Alabama gets a ridiculous TDS value while Iowa doesn't, despite having the same system (or how Monty gets a lower value despite having a better one). Ahh, the wonders of game balancing.

 

She has far worse concealment than Iowa, but it still shouldn't be too bad with upgrade + CE. Getting the historically inaccurate citadel above the waterline means I won't be getting her, though.

[Trainspite]

Won't buy Alabama... would buy Massachusetts, purely on personal grounds (Haven't been on BB-59 yet, though I have been past her...)

 

I would presume Massachusetts would be coming along fairly soon afterwards, now they have the model for South Dakota. This also could mean a second USN BB line is not too far away. 

[fnord_disc]

 

It's actually the other way around. Look here for details:

http://forum.worldofwarships.com/index.php?/topic/99212-confirmed-iowamontana-citadel-modeling-error/

 

Shouldn't come off as surprising that Alabama gets the same armor as Iowa, considering there were barely any changes between the two.

Honestly, it's funny how Alabama gets a ridiculous TDS value while Iowa doesn't, despite having the same system (or how Monty gets a lower value despite having a better one). Ahh, the wonders of game balancing.

 

She has far worse concealment than Iowa, but it still shouldn't be too bad with upgrade + CE. Getting the historically inaccurate citadel above the waterline means I won't be getting her, though.

 

It's a matter of philosophy whether that deck is counted or not. There is no right or wrong in something abstract like a hit box.

[StuntMan0369]

 

Ah, my bad. I assume all her hit boxes are counted identically to Iowa, then. She's penalized twice: once with a tall citadel and once with getting overmatched on the broadside.

 

It will play like a slow Iowa will lazier guns, then. Just more maneuverable too.

 

Sounds like a trade-off then. You get much better protection from torpedoes (the belt and manoeuvrability), but at the cost of main battery protection (raised citadel). Interesting idea, not sure if I'm sold on it just yet. Have to see how her testing phase goes. Still a big enough name to pull the sales in though.

[El2aZeR]

It's a matter of philosophy whether that deck is counted or not. There is no right or wrong in something abstract like a hit box.

 

Well, considering that deck isn't part of the citadel irl I'd say it's wrong. Doesn't really matter tho as it's part of game balancing (even if Iowa & Monty are somehow the only BBs that have to deal with it).

[fnord_disc]

 

Well, considering that deck isn't part of the citadel irl I'd say it's wrong. Doesn't really matter tho as it's part of game balancing (even if Iowa & Monty are somehow the only BBs that have to deal with it).

 

Yamato too.

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Yamato too.

 

yes buff Yamato pls 

[El2aZeR]

Wanna bet they'll actually lower the citadel on Yama due to historical accuracy yet leave Alabama, Iowa & Monty be because of balance? 

 

*inb4 anti-US bias*

[44smok]

Sweet home Alabama! Give'em rebel yell boys! Stonewall Jackson and Bobby Lee!

[NyronGT]

USS Alabama? More like:

 

Dat ninja 

[Takeda92]

Yay, more boring, redundant and unimaginative US premium BBs. It seems WG haven't met their quota on sucking off NA players this year.

[Comodoro_Allande]

Yay, more boring, redundant and unimaginative US premium BBs. It seems WG haven't met their quota on sucking off NA players this year.

 

Yep, there are a lot of interesting choices for a tier VIII BB (Richelieu-class, Littorio-class, Tosa-class, maybe even a KGV....) and they gave us a slighty different North Carolina

[El2aZeR]

Yep, there are a lot of interesting choices for a tier VIII BB (Richelieu-class, Littorio-class, Tosa-class, maybe even a KGV....)

 

Which would all take far longer to produce. By doing a South Dakota (or any US ship really) they can recycle a lot of assets, basically all they'd need to create from the ground up is the hull and superstructure. Everything else they just need to copy & paste.

Who knows, maybe they're already working on some of the ships you've mentioned but the Alabama just went through the production pipeline faster because a lot assets for her were already done.

 

Also the faster you can get sth out, the faster it'll make you $$$ 

[Comodoro_Allande]

 

Which would all take far longer to produce. By doing a South Dakota (or any US ship really) they can recycle a lot of assets, basically all they'd need to create from the ground up is the hull and superstructure. Everything else they just need to copy & paste.

Who knows, maybe they're already working on some of the ships you've mentioned but the Alabama just came out faster because a lot assets for her were already done.

 

Also the faster you can get sth out, the faster it'll make you $$$ 

 

Yeah, but boooooring... (and more boring when the Missouri is coming)

[Comrad_StaIin]

maybe a bit off topic but Fuso finally gets a range finder on the X Turrert

 

[StuntMan0369]

 

Yep, there are a lot of interesting choices for a tier VIII BB (Richelieu-class, Littorio-class, Tosa-class, maybe even a KGV....) and they gave us a slighty different North Carolina

 

In fairness though, USN could do with a tier 8 premium, they've been long overdue one. Still, I agree that I'd like to see more unique ships come in (2017, you better be good to us!).

[Poster_2015]

 

Yep, there are a lot of interesting choices for a tier VIII BB (Richelieu-class, Littorio-class, Tosa-class, maybe even a KGV....) and they gave us a slighty different North Carolina

 

Well other then Tosa class, any of those premiums would have bad repercussions for eventual national tree. 

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Well other then Tosa class, any of those premiums would have bad repercussions for eventual national tree. 

 

you know he said "class" so you can take every ship of that class