Struggling with the Bayern.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

My average damage for the Bayern is 68k, seems like a fine ship for me. Although my win rate in it is low, I probably spend too much time shooting other BB in it rather than trying to win 

 

Funny, New Mexico has slower turret traverse than the Bayern (180 degree turn time is slower by almost 10 seconds assuming no mods and skills).

Or slightly worse maneuverability, depending on what you mean by "turn rate".

 

Honestly, if you're not happy about the accuracy on the Bayern, you're not going to be happy about it on the Gneisenau/Bismarck either (since it remains the same). Faster reload coupled with even faster turret traverse makes overall gunnery a bit more comfy on them however.

 

Can't say anything about Friedrich or Kurführst since I don't have them yet.

 

Don't know about anyone else but I simply see no need to get Freddy or Gross Wurst. Whilst I've unlocked the Fred I can't be done with re-training a captain for essentially what looks like a fatter Bismarck.

[basharran]

To get closer most of the time I choose where I want to go and announce that in chat: "will push for..., please support me". Works wonders in most situations and let you get close and in the enemies team face from the start on. Like the Bayern more than the König so far (62k vs 91k avg damage per game).

[Toivia]

I'm rather in the "hate" camp for this ship. Not that I really hate it, but among BBs, it's one of my most disliked (Izumo probably wins over it). It has far too many weaknesses over the Konig (so far, pretty much all my stats are worse on the Bayern): way more inaccurate, slower reload, less guns, huge superstructure and also MM.

 

When it comes to the caliber, it really doesn't work for me, either I get overpens (seriously, overpens even on BBs) or bounces (surprisingly even on a Nurnberg and other cruisers). It might work better at very close ranges (not that I've observed that really), but there it's hampered by very poor gun firing angles and a slow turret traverse. Also at brawling ranges it'll face many DDs (that it can't hit with main guns) and higher tier german BBs that have torps and much better secondaries (HE secondaries, unlike mostly AP based Bayern). As I mentioned huge superstructure, I believe that is the cause for the very large amounts of damage I take from any angle. Therefore the "excellent armor" many mention here is not really useful.

[Ferry_25]

Grinded to Gneis this week. I have learned to love Bayern! My tips: secondary focus. Get "close and personal" asap. Whithout overextend rushing in of course: hug you enemy. And target angled cruisers.... You'll shoot straight through full BS cruisers...

[moomoo2]

Bayern needs to get within 10km of what it wants to kill.

Learn that 10km-6km fighting area and you will rock.

 

Think I had about 45k damage a game in it, which is really good for me.

[Toivia]

It's roughly 62k per game in Konig and 56k per game in Bayern for me. That kinda explains it all.

[bot_507]

I liked the Konig but hated the Bayern. In fact, I might buy Konig again, now that I ground Bayern down to a Gneisenau (not a huge step-up but at least it has some speed and maneuverability).

 

I am now getting into USA BB line so I have something to compare it with - and will report back.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

I hated Nassau and Kaiser, I did somewhat okayish with König, but Bayern was the first German dreadnought that actually fit my playstyle once I got all upgrades. I do not feel she excels at secondary range but she sure is deadly at medium range. I got uptiered a lot (no surprise at tier 6) so NC's 406mm super heavy shells penned my citadel/barbette armor at close range. Don't try that unless you have to. But against all other targets she does alright, and her turrets turn decently fast - unlike all her predecessors.

[Matium]

I come from the future... and i can say to you, it's a garbage ship. Kaiser and Konig were splendid aggressive ships. This Bayern ship has entered my pantheon of garbage ships alongside supreme champion Myogi. The only good thing is the caliber but with Myogi you face low tier bad ships , with Bayern you face some real deal ships + subs ! Atm i'm grinding and holding my breath that the rest of the ships till tier 10 are decent.

[Redwing6891]

10 hours ago, Matium said:

I come from the future... and i can say to you, it's a garbage ship. Kaiser and Konig were splendid aggressive ships. This Bayern ship has entered my pantheon of garbage ships alongside supreme champion Myogi. The only good thing is the caliber but with Myogi you face low tier bad ships , with Bayern you face some real deal ships + subs ! Atm i'm grinding and holding my breath that the rest of the ships till tier 10 are decent.

Very funny, if maybe a bit harsh, though I tend to agree.

 

I didn't keep the Bayern either, and was glad to see the last of her (and of Meh-ogi but that is another story). But do not despair, the splendid Gneisenau awaits! Now that is a fun ship (I just say torpedoes), and the Bismarck isn't bad either. Secondary build on both and haven't regretted it so far. I have kept both but stopped with the German line at that point. I am not fussed about paper-ships, never mind how uber-awesome or not they are, and tier X is not for me, anyway.

 

But the German BB line is definitely worth it up to tier VIII, in my opinion.

 

 

[WorthyOpponent]

4 hours ago, Redwing6891 said:

Very funny, if maybe a bit harsh, though I tend to agree.

 

I didn't keep the Bayern either, and was glad to see the last of her (and of Meh-ogi but that is another story). But do not despair, the splendid Gneisenau awaits! Now that is a fun ship (I just say torpedoes), and the Bismarck isn't bad either. Secondary build on both and haven't regretted it so far. I have kept both but stopped with the German line at that point. I am not fussed about paper-ships, never mind how uber-awesome or not they are, and tier X is not for me, anyway.

 

But the German BB line is definitely worth it up to tier VIII, in my opinion.

 

 

I built Bayern for the main guns and actually loved her

On the other hand I hate Gneisenau lol
Maybe something's wrong with me

[Redwing6891]

14 minutes ago, WorthyOpponent said:

I built Bayern for the main guns and actually loved her

On the other hand I hate Gneisenau lol
Maybe something's wrong with me

LOL. There is nothing wrong with you at all, it is just 'infinite diversity in infinite combinations'. What works for me, doesn't have to work for you. And the other way round. As long as you're enjoying the game, that's absolutely fine! 

[Matium]

15 hours ago, Redwing6891 said:

But the German BB line is definitely worth it up to tier VIII, in my opinion.

 

 

I was planning on grinding till final tier 8 lines (2 dd , 2 bb , 2 cl , 2 cv) , one including a BB brawler and made my choice between Colombo and Kurfurst (after testing them like crazy on test server). And now i plan to grind asap this German BB line to unlock Kurfurst because of the special ship transformation (that i think will happen on january , at the end of snow giant event) + i like it more between the two and i also gather coal to get a premium ship for moneymaking cuz i don't want to spend real money on a WG obsessed with subs (i'm kinda leaning for Pommern)

[Nit0]

On 12/23/2021 at 1:01 AM, Matium said:

I was planning on grinding till final tier 8 lines (2 dd , 2 bb , 2 cl , 2 cv) , one including a BB brawler and made my choice between Colombo and Kurfurst (after testing them like crazy on test server). And now i plan to grind asap this German BB line to unlock Kurfurst because of the special ship transformation (that i think will happen on january , at the end of snow giant event) + i like it more between the two and i also gather coal to get a premium ship for moneymaking cuz i don't want to spend real money on a WG obsessed with subs (i'm kinda leaning for Pommern)

I would say your plan is good. It's more forgiving to learn the game at tier 6-8 than 9-10. Also smart to try different ship classes. 

[ColonelPete]

Bayern is a great ship, but too many people think she is a secondary focussed ship.

Just improve her tankiness and use her main guns. The overmatch does the rest.

[Matium]

I finished the Bayern grind. Got fantastic potato teams again and again + in a ship to burn down WR . I got chat banned twice but i got +5 karma...talking about paradox.  I got so many burns in the games it was unreal. So many x3 and x4 fires it deleted all the tankiness of the ship. In a game i burned 7 times i kid you not (received a salvo fire, after few seconds x2 fires ,repaired those 3 , and then got x4 fires and this happened in a total of 15 seconds ). It was not the only game with 7 burns but it was the fastest melt. The experience was like playing WoT on German Jagdpanzer IV or Ferdinand , every frontal hit the engine was dmged or destroyed. The guns were horrible, bad spread and loads of overpens. I overmatched some nose-in cruisers but the accuracy is so bad it happened rarely . The ship is a XP bag for everybody. I managed to get well in 1v1 BB clashes tho , but only at that and those clashes were rare. For me it remains pure garbage. Bayern was far from a fun ship and not because i lost a lot in it.

On 12/22/2021 at 10:16 AM, Redwing6891 said:

I didn't keep the Bayern either, and was glad to see the last of her (and of Meh-ogi but that is another story). But do not despair, the splendid Gneisenau awaits!

Started some 4 games with Gneisenau , lame potato games of which i won only 1 and atm i average 72k dmg and the difference is immense from Bayern .I can actually punish ppl with gun accuracy and i can reposition in decent time now . The Rof is ok even if there are fewer guns. I think i will enjoy this grind as you said.

[ColonelPete]

46 minutes ago, Matium said:

The ship is a XP bag for everybody.

Yes, I bagged quite a few XP in her.